Why Sheens has shed his stars.

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UNDER siege Tim Sheens climbed out of bed on Saturday morning to prepare himself for another weekend of rumour and innuendo about his crumbling premiership campaign at the Wests Tigers.

Three losses on end, an apparent falling out with Benji Marshall, a blue with a journalist after the Parramatta loss and alleged player turmoil over the departure of several stars to other clubs.

Even for a man who has been around as a head coach for more than 600 NRL games and enjoyed all the high and lows, tears and triumphs, you get the feeling this time he's just about had enough.

So on Saturday morning the veteran coach breaks his silence, revealing why so many stars have been released from their contracts, declaring the Tigers would still make the top eight and that his struggling stars were still having a dig.

He says rather than blaming the upcoming signing of Storm powerhouse [Adam Blair](http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/player-profile?playerid=108541&teamid=3490) for the release of Bryce Gibbs, Andrew Fifita and Tim Moltzen, it was more the Tigers' needs to keep the nucleus of the sensational talent from their Toyota Cup squad that put pressure on the salary cap."Ask any of the player managers how good our crop of kids are," Sheens said.

"That's part of the issue … we have a very, very good group of kids and we've got every club in the game chasing them.

"We've had to upgrade players within the squad like Lawrence, Ayshford, Simon Dwyer and the Toyota Cup kids.

"Young Aaron Woods had to be re-signed. The Australian schoolboy prop (Matt Groat) who's in our 20s. He's an outstanding kid.

"Some of these people can go from five grand to 150 grand straight away or we'd lose them to other clubs who have made massive offers knowing how good they are.

"These things are inevitable. It happens at every club but they're talking about us because we haven't been winning."

The biggest talking point in rugby league has been Sheens' rumoured falling out with superstar five-eighth Marshall over his housemate and best friend Moltzen being given permission to negotiate with other clubs. Marshall has been told by chief executive Stephen Humphreys the club can't just build a football team around his best mates.

But Sheens denied they have even spoken about it.

"Who's spreading the rumour? What facts are they basing it on?," Sheens asked.

"Have you spoken to Marshall about that. I don't believe it's good journalism to run rumours unless you're getting it direct from the kid.

"Not once have I spoken to Benji about Timmy Moltzen going.

"He hasn't been to see me about it. I'd tell you if he had.

"And if Benji's got an issue, he generally fronts me about it."

Sheens says no one at the [Wests Tigers](http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/team-profile?teamid=3400) wanted to release good players but he's pleased those departing have all been looked after with better contracts than they were previously on.

"When you're losing games everyone says, Sheens this, Sheens that, the clubs in crisis, player morale's no good," he said.

"At the end of the day the players are leaving because of the salary cap and the fact we have to offer career path for our kids.

"No one is leaving for less money. In fact they've all got more. They're all in better shape."

Despite his team stuck being stuck on 18 competition points for more than a month, Sheens has no doubts they will make the play-offs.

"We'll make the semi-finals and I'm very confident about that," Sheens said. "As Robbie Farah said the other night, we should be judged at the end of the season. In 2005 we were running 11th at this stage and our defence was a lot worse.

"In recent weeks the defensive workload has taken its toll. We've made nearly 900 tackles in the last two games but in neither game were we disgraced.

"Better [Wests Tigers](http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/team-profile?teamid=3400) sides have had 50 points put on them with those sort of tackle counts. Sure we've made poor decisions and put that pressure on ourselves.

"But we'll get it right and we'll be there when it counts."

Cheer up, your team is not out of it

PREDICTING a top eight even at this stage of the season is like trying to find the trifecta for the Melbourne Cup.

Five teams are certainties - the Storm, Dragons, Sea Eagles, Broncos and Cowboys - but finding the last three is more difficult.

Mathematically, even the bottom placed Titans could still scrape into the eight if they won every game and finished on 28 competition points.

More realistically, the battle for the last three positions in the finals rest between the eight clubs on 15 points or more over the last eight rounds of the competition.

While Tim Sheens remains super confident about the Tigers' chances, they have a tough draw: Cowboys (a) Roosters (h) Sea Eagles (a) Dragons (h) Panthers (a) Eels (h) Titans (h) and Sharks (a).

The Cronulla Sharks kept their hopes alive with their fourth win on the trot against the Canberra Raiders on Saturday night but they also have a hard run home with three games against top five teams the Broncos, the Dragons and the Cowboys.

"All we can do is turn up every week and give it a shot," said coach Shane Flanagan. "This competition has always been about consistency and not looking too far ahead."

He says the Sharks are not concerned about a tough draw, having already beaten the Dragons this year and lost to Manly on the bell at home.
 
About time some sort of explanation. I can live with that.
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About time someone from the club has come out and discussed it.

Rothfield should have asked why players like Gibbs were recently resigned if they had to let people go?

The timing around Sheens' contract extension is fishy.
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I reckon that sounds about right. It also appears obvious that Fulton is a player that no other club went after.
 
@hybrid_tiger said:
Rothfield should have asked why players like Gibbs were recently resigned if they had to let people go?

Yeah that does not make a lot of sense, unless other clubs had only recently decided to try and go after our U20's squad

@hybrid_tiger said:
The timing around Sheens' contract extension is fishy.

That's odd as well, it wasn't really until he got his contract extension that all this then happened.
 
So what are the Tigers going to do in the meantime . I have been saying that we must bring the youth through ,but the youth aren't ready yet in key positions . 1 and 7 in particular (If Lui) is going . Are we going to keep Brown until Tedesco is ready ?. Are we going to keep Lui until Miller is ready ? They can't expect the youngsters to come through in the off season alone . If they are prepared to right off 2012 I can live with that also as long as we can see a plan for the future .
 
Ht I think that was addressed. Younger kids are better in the long run for the club in coach and managements opinion.

A bit of balance.
 
I think Sheens is between a rock and a hard place. If it is true that other clubs are hunting our juniors, then its great news that they are trying to nip it in the bud.

What to do now? Bring some of the younger blokes into the team now, and risk not making the eight. Or keep the same squad, and try to get some consistency, and fill the last few spots…............

With everything that has happened, I don't think it is a win win situation. Time will tell.

Personally, I think it is great that they are trying to hold on to the new breed.......if that is true.
 
Havent seen one yet….but I await all the usual "Its Phil Rothfield, he's full of crap, as is the DT'' posts.
Doubt we'll see many.

Sheens going full circle to 03/04....

2 or 3 years ago we had a great 20's team as well the got to the GF....did we lose most of them or did we have to cut half our first grade squad back then?

This is part of the story, its convenient for the club though. Nice of the club to give this hack Rothfield the big scoop.
 
@innsaneink said:
This is part of the story, its convenient for the club though. Nice of the club to give this hack Rothfield the big scoop.

To be fair, Rothfield was probably the only one asking him questions about it.

I think he is a hack, but he is one of the only journalists (and I use that job title loosely) who has dared to question Sheens.

I guarantee you for example that you will never read anything negative about Sheens in the SMH. Sheens has friends in the right places there.
 
Let's see if rothfield comes out with any more "scoop's" from his blog today on this subject..
might be a chance for some of you to ask your questions to a journalist/sports editor to try and get some answers.
 
Even with the players that have signed elsewhere leaving, if the Tigers can actually bring in Blair & say, Reddy/Cross or Vidot as has been rumoured, I can't see why 2012 is a "Write Off" year.

The fullback position, for me, is the one area that still has a lot of question marks- but potentially you could have Brown, Lote, Lawrence, Reddy or even Beau Ryan (if he doesn't leave) all with 1st grade experience in the mix for the position, along with the youngsters coming through. Getting the right player in the #1 is important though.

Have not seen anywhere other than here that Lui is leaving, so I'm assuming he'll be the #7 next season- probably with a view to Miller pushing him through the course of next season. I actually wonder if removing Moltzen might improve Lui's confidence & allow him to play more his own game.

The back row could potentially lose Heighington & even Dwyer, depending on the severity of his injury. But adding Blair, keeping Fulton & having Murdoch-Masilla & the Shirnack's still leaves the Tigers back row in good shape. If Heighington stays, having him at lock, Blair & Ellis is an outstanding (if costly) back row. But I'll be happy with Ellis at lock, Blair & Dwyer- that's a really good bunch of players there.

Prop is the position we'll really require the youth to step up- with only Galloway being a tried & tested option. Woods looks the most likely to fill the other starting role, and Groat & Begovich are no doubt lined up to compete & fill the bench roles. Again, there is no confirmation outside of this forum to indicate this player is leaving, so I'm going to assume that Moors is still in the running for a bench spot.
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In the end, if the team looks vaguely like this-
1\. Lawrence
2\. Lote
3\. Reddy
4\. Ayshford
5\. Vidot
6\. Marshall
7\. Lui
13\. Ellis
12\. Dwyer
11\. Blair
10\. Galloway
9\. Farah
8\. Woods

I can't see how that isn't a competitive side. You still have Fulton, the Shirnack's, Groat, Begovich, Simona, Utai, and the other youngsters to add into the mix.
 
Read yesterday that Sironen at 6 and Marshall at 1 is an option for next year, so who knows?
But there is certainly a lot of talent in Toyota Cup that the Tigers have to secure.
Do wish Fifita was staying tho.
 
Chadman's
We're missing an interchange bench, so that's going to make it difficult. (Sorry…I couldnt resist)
I like that team TBH.

14\. Fulton (Use off-season to work him as back up hooker/forward);
15\. BMM
16\. ??? Prop
17\. ????Prop

If Heigho stays, he goes to lock, then Ellis to 2nd row, Blair to Prop, Woods to bench & we need to find 1 bench spot.
 
Look to future guys Assume we get Blair and Blair only . Lets look at the NYC Try this side on for size
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1 Tedesco
2 Tuqiri
3 Lawrence
4 Sironen
5 Koroibate
6 Marshall
7 Miller
8 Woods
9 Farah (C)
10 Gallaway
11 Blair
12 Ellis
13 Ayshford
14 Heighington
15 Groat
16 Begovich
17 BMM or Dwyer
That is the future Lets get with it now (2012)
 
@hybrid_tiger said:
@innsaneink said:
This is part of the story, its convenient for the club though. Nice of the club to give this hack Rothfield the big scoop.

To be fair, Rothfield was probably the only one asking him questions about it.

I think he is a hack, but he is one of the only journalists (and I use that job title loosely) who has dared to question Sheens.

I guarantee you for example that you will never read anything negative about Sheens in the SMH. Sheens has friends in the right places there.

Thats what I was trying to think of writing that post, I knew the SMH & DT had the own opinions regarding us as a club, sheens etc…..never followed it close enough tho to be sure who favoured who
Benji has a column, or had? with the SMH?
 
@innsaneink said:
@hybrid_tiger said:
@innsaneink said:
This is part of the story, its convenient for the club though. Nice of the club to give this hack Rothfield the big scoop.

To be fair, Rothfield was probably the only one asking him questions about it.

I think he is a hack, but he is one of the only journalists (and I use that job title loosely) who has dared to question Sheens.

I guarantee you for example that you will never read anything negative about Sheens in the SMH. Sheens has friends in the right places there.

Thats what I was trying to think of writing that post, I knew the SMH & DT had the own opinions regarding us as a club, sheens etc…..never followed it close enough tho to be sure who favoured who
Benji has a column, or had? with the SMH?

Sheens has a few mates at the SMH, mainly Greg Pritchard.
 
It's really bad for everyone involved when stupid people report that the club is in turmoil etc it's definitely not doing anybody any favours. Every club goes through this downswing at one stage or another in the season. The [edited by mods] just want to sell papers. All we can do whatever the situation be is keep supporting our boys and hope for the best..

Btw I think we've already signed Adam Blair but the announcement hasn't been made. I also think $500000 a year is a bit much for a 2nd rower regardless of how good a player he is. Might be a bit harsh but it's the same as that little grub Sandow I don't know what possessed parramatta to sign him up for $450000 a year :S
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