Winger for Round 1?

[redemption]

lawrence isnt the best centre, he's one of the best defensively, but he still has alot to do to be the best centre. his form offensively has been non existent (with the exception of the rare glimpse of brilliance). putting him on the wing gives him more ball, whilst he can still defend in the centres.

marshall isnt even the best five eight for the team, moltzen is 10x the five eight marshall is. its only that marshall's profile and razzle dazzle fools people of his real role as a five eight. dont get me wrong, he's awesome. its just motlzen is better.

Still trying to comprehend how you managed to come up with that call. Marshall is by far and away the best 5/8 the Tigers have. How you think he'll be a better centre by being moved further away from the action I will never know. Marshall led the comp last year for try assists and was right up there in linebreak assists. How many do you think he'll set up by playing one position in from the wing?

There's no doubt Moltzen is a good player, but putting him at 5/8 over Benji…That ain't gonna happen. Moltzen said himself he was warming to the halfback position last year before his injury.

Thank god Sheens selects the team.

mtd - what have you been watching????

Benji is the best 5/8th in the league - given the dearth of true 5/8ths in the comp (remember the Inglis experiment at the Storm???)!@!!!

As for Lawrence - great attacking centre & can man-up in defence on the other quality centres but makes some bad misses in defence (& struggled with defensive reads for his first few years)!!! Attack - & feeding his winger (be it Nella or Lote) has been his strong suit for two seasons - NOT his defence!!!!!

And your logic is that on the wing he gets "more ball"!!! This isn't soccer buddy!!!!

You have lost any credibility within less than 150 posts!!!!! Your response to willow is pathetic ignorant crap!!!!!

 

[redemption]

mtd - I'd hate to see either Benji or Moltz defending Inglis, Hodges, Gasnier, Cooper, Champion etc!!!!!!

Have YOU ever played the game???????????

I hate to say your opinions are worthless - but they are!!!!!

 

[happy_tiger]

I still think Lawrence will end up at lock at some stage but not for a few years yet

 

[Flippedy]

mtd, like I asked you in my original response to your original post - why would you move the best five eighth in the world to centre and, POTENTIALLY, the best centre in the world to the wing?? It still makes no sense, whichever way you look at it.

Can anybody see my posts, by the way? I've been posting since October, but I never seem to get a response from anyone! Not even an argument lol

 

[mtd]

mtd - I'd hate to see either Benji or Moltz defending Inglis, Hodges, Gasnier, Cooper, Champion etc!!!!!!

Have YOU ever played the game???????????

I hate to say your opinions are worthless - but they are!!!!!

i'm positive i've played at a higher level than u.

the fact some of you come out with such personal attacks u aren't actually addressing the issue, which is justifying as to WHY benji is better than moltzen.

mods - can you sort this clown out? im entitled to my opinion here as much as the next bloke without being labelled as pathetic and ignorant… what's next, a racial slur?

p.s. what does 'getting more ball' have to do with soccer? the more ball in open space LAWRENCE sees in the game of RUGBY LEAGUE the better.

 

[redemption]

mtd - I'd hate to see either Benji or Moltz defending Inglis, Hodges, Gasnier, Cooper, Champion etc!!!!!!

Have YOU ever played the game???????????

I hate to say your opinions are worthless - but they are!!!!!

i'm positive i've played at a higher level than u.

the fact some of you come out with such personal attacks u aren't actually addressing the issue, which is justifying as to WHY benji is better than moltzen.

mods - can you sort this clown out? im entitled to my opinion here as much as the next bloke without being labelled as pathetic and ignorant… what's next, a racial slur?

p.s. what does 'getting more ball' have to do with soccer? the more ball in open space LAWRENCE sees in the game of RUGBY LEAGUE the better.

Mate - I apologise - but your opinions are unbelievably ridiculous!!!

Moltz a better 5/8th than Benj - Lawrence a better winger than centre etc etc etc…

Call the cops (mods) - you are making yourself look like a child & a goose!!!!!

 

[happy_tiger]

My point still is MTD is "How many games of NRL has Tim Moltzen played at five eight "So how can you say Tim better than Benji ?????????????????

 

[mtd]

mtd, like I asked you in my original response to your original post - why would you move the best five eighth in the world to centre and, POTENTIALLY, the best centre in the world to the wing?? It still makes no sense, whichever way you look at it.

Can anybody see my posts, by the way? I've been posting since October, but I never seem to get a response from anyone! Not even an argument lol

yeh sorry champ, i was just taken in by a few others and felt i addressed your question in the other posts i made.

Why would I move Marshall to the centres?
1. Moltzen is a better five eight, at worst, they are equal. Moltzen just doesn’t have the same razzle dazzle.
2. Marshall’ would score more tries
3. Less pressure on Marshall.
4. The combination it would create with Lawrence on the wing would be the best this decade (from 2010-2020).
5\. Lawrence would score more tries

Why would I move Lawrence to the wing?
1. Attacking wise, he hasn’t been as effective as he should have been. He sets up more tries than he scores. He should be a finisher, like Lote.
2. He has speed and size, and on the outside of Benji, it would be absolutely lethal for them to be next to each other on the same side of the field.
3. He can still defend in the centres (and let Benji drop back on the last).

Its all personal opinion. I call it as I see it. People get stuck their views and don’t look beyond the normal scope. I believe this would be a step in the right direction for us as it would also allow us to play Lui and Moltzen at the same time.

1. Brown
2. Lawrence
3. Marshall
4. Ayshford
5. Tuqiri
6. Moltzen
7. Lui

I froth at that.

What we have now is working, but I just think this would take us to that next level, the level we HAVE NOT reached since 2005.

 

[mtd]

My point still is MTD is "How many games of NRL has Tim Moltzen played at five eight "So how can you say Tim better than Benji ?????????????????

five eight/half. much the same these days.

 

[Guest]

willow, i can't quote ur last post so i just goto start fresh.

**Marshall is by far and away the best 5/8 the Tigers have.**
How so? Explain what areas marshall is better than moltzen. The fact is, he's only better with the razzle dazzle. Everything else, moltzen is better.

**How you think he'll be a better centre by being moved further away from the action I will never know.**
At present, he has the whole defensive line to take on, plus the responsibility of running the team - there's less opportunity for him to do his thing, because the team comes first. If he was in the centres, he'd have 2 people to take on, and be in more 1 on 1 situations. He would break through the line alot more. To add to this, he'd have an absolute machine outside him in chris lawrence. The combination would literally destroy the last great centre/wing combination being gidley and tahu. Meanwhile, we are losing nothing in the halves.

**Marshall led the comp last year for try assists and was right up there in linebreak assists. How many do you think he'll set up by playing one position in from the wing?**
He'll set up tries from centre, but primarily for his winger. Sure, it wont be as many, but the actual amount of tries he scores himself will be double.

**There's no doubt Moltzen is a good player, but putting him at 5/8 over Benji…That ain't gonna happen. Moltzen said himself he was warming to the halfback position last year before his injury.**
If your moltzen, are you really going to claim that you are better than benji? Are you really going to cause that tension between the team members? Ofcourse not. You only have to look at the first few games moltzen played in the halves for us, he destroyed it. We haven't lost 1 game with Moltzen in the halves. He's a natural that's played league all his life. Put him in there and he'll take to it in a week or two, if not straight away.

**Thank god Sheens selects the team.**
so a year or two ago you weren't complaining about sheens's team selections at all? when no rookies had a crack?

I'm gobsmacked, I really am. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm not going to try and change it, but geez, it's a good thing you're nowhere near the team selections with a mindset like that.

 

[redemption]

mtd, like I asked you in my original response to your original post - why would you move the best five eighth in the world to centre and, POTENTIALLY, the best centre in the world to the wing?? It still makes no sense, whichever way you look at it.

Can anybody see my posts, by the way? I've been posting since October, but I never seem to get a response from anyone! Not even an argument lol

yeh sorry champ, i was just taken in by a few others and felt i addressed your question in the other posts i made.

Why would I move Marshall to the centres?
1. Moltzen is a better five eight, at worst, they are equal. Moltzen just doesn’t have the same razzle dazzle.
2. Marshall’ would score more tries
3. Less pressure on Marshall.
4. The combination it would create with Lawrence on the wing would be the best this decade (from 2010-2020).
5\. Lawrence would score more tries

Why would I move Lawrence to the wing?
1. Attacking wise, he hasn’t been as effective as he should have been. He sets up more tries than he scores. He should be a finisher, like Lote.
2. He has speed and size, and on the outside of Benji, it would be absolutely lethal for them to be next to each other on the same side of the field.
3. He can still defend in the centres (and let Benji drop back on the last).

Its all personal opinion. I call it as I see it. People get stuck their views and don’t look beyond the normal scope. I believe this would be a step in the right direction for us as it would also allow us to play Lui and Moltzen at the same time.

1. Brown
2. Lawrence
3. Marshall
4. Ayshford
5. Tuqiri
6. Moltzen
7. Lui

I froth at that.

What we have now is working, but I just think this would take us to that next level, the level we HAVE NOT reached since 2005.

Any chance you might address the issue of centre-defence & the likes of Benji marking up on Hodges, Inglis etc????

Did you see him try to take down a cantering Hindmarsh in the Cambo trial three weeks ago????

Or does defence just not bother youy????

 

[happy_tiger]

My point still is MTD is "How many games of NRL has Tim Moltzen played at five eight "So how can you say Tim better than Benji ?????????????????

five eight/half. much the same these days.

Are you trying to say that when Tim and Benji played together at 6 and 7 that Tim was better player ??? I think that Benji just made Tim look better . The other problem is if you add another ball player \ play maker to backline it can create more issues than it fixes So with your backline set up you would have ball going (possibly) Farah, Lui ,Moltzen and then Benji Who is going take the line on Too much confusion for us I reckon

 

[KingOvKingz09]

sorry mtd….
.... but did you just say moltzen is a better 5-eigth then benji ? ....

 

[happy_tiger]

When fit
Moltzen
Brown
Lawrence
Ahysford
Tuquiri
Marshall
Lui
Personally think that is better set up than yours MTD Put it to a vote if u like see who prefers your and who prefers this one ???

 

[redemption]

My point still is MTD is "How many games of NRL has Tim Moltzen played at five eight "So how can you say Tim better than Benji ?????????????????

five eight/half. much the same these days.

Are you trying to say that when Tim and Benji played together at 6 and 7 that Tim was better player ??? I think that Benji just made Tim look better . The other problem is if you add another ball player \ play maker to backline it can create more issues than it fixes So with your backline set up you would have ball going (possibly) Farah, Lui ,Moltzen and then Benji Who is going take the line on Too much confusion for us I reckon

Excellent work Happy!!

That potent blend of ball-players & line/hole-runners can never be underestimated champ!!

But again I'll reiterate - we need solid positional defenders across the board!!

Just look at the extra dimension the defence of Gareth & Ayshford have provided in the past two years!!!

 

[Flippedy]

mtd, like I asked you in my original response to your original post - why would you move the best five eighth in the world to centre and, POTENTIALLY, the best centre in the world to the wing?? It still makes no sense, whichever way you look at it.

Can anybody see my posts, by the way? I've been posting since October, but I never seem to get a response from anyone! Not even an argument lol

yeh sorry champ, i was just taken in by a few others and felt i addressed your question in the other posts i made.

Why would I move Marshall to the centres?
1. Moltzen is a better five eight, at worst, they are equal. Moltzen just doesn’t have the same razzle dazzle.
2. Marshall’ would score more tries
3. Less pressure on Marshall.
4. The combination it would create with Lawrence on the wing would be the best this decade (from 2010-2020).
5\. Lawrence would score more tries

Why would I move Lawrence to the wing?
1. Attacking wise, he hasn’t been as effective as he should have been. He sets up more tries than he scores. He should be a finisher, like Lote.
2. He has speed and size, and on the outside of Benji, it would be absolutely lethal for them to be next to each other on the same side of the field.
3. He can still defend in the centres (and let Benji drop back on the last).

Its all personal opinion. I call it as I see it. People get stuck their views and don’t look beyond the normal scope. I believe this would be a step in the right direction for us as it would also allow us to play Lui and Moltzen at the same time.

1. Brown
2. Lawrence
3. Marshall
4. Ayshford
5. Tuqiri
6. Moltzen
7. Lui

I froth at that.

What we have now is working, but I just think this would take us to that next level, the level we HAVE NOT reached since 2005.

Yeah, I can see where you're coming from - the combination of Lawrence and Marshall out wide could be anything! But I just reckon that Marshall needs to stay in a position that is closer to the action, creating those opportunities that only he can create. There is a chance that he would be under-utilised out in the centres, and because he likes to rove around so much, I think he would struggle to get into position out wide when really needed.

Also, the Lawrence/Tuqiri combination has only been going for a year and I'm really looking forward to what they will produce in their second year together. The fact that Chris can set up his winger so well is a bonus, not a drawback, I reckon, and he is still learning his craft. He will develop as an attacking centre - the signs are already there.

Not sure I'd rate Moltzen on a par with Benji, as a five eighth, either - not yet anyway. I do believe that Sheens will find a way to have Lui and Moltz on the field at the same time, throughout different stages of a game, though. Let's hope so anyway.

 

[Goose]

willow, i can't quote ur last post so i just goto start fresh.

**Marshall is by far and away the best 5/8 the Tigers have.**
How so? Explain what areas marshall is better than moltzen. The fact is, he's only better with the razzle dazzle. Everything else, moltzen is better.

**How you think he'll be a better centre by being moved further away from the action I will never know.**
At present, he has the whole defensive line to take on, plus the responsibility of running the team - there's less opportunity for him to do his thing, because the team comes first. If he was in the centres, he'd have 2 people to take on, and be in more 1 on 1 situations. He would break through the line alot more. To add to this, he'd have an absolute machine outside him in chris lawrence. The combination would literally destroy the last great centre/wing combination being gidley and tahu. Meanwhile, we are losing nothing in the halves.

**Marshall led the comp last year for try assists and was right up there in linebreak assists. How many do you think he'll set up by playing one position in from the wing?**
He'll set up tries from centre, but primarily for his winger. Sure, it wont be as many, but the actual amount of tries he scores himself will be double.

**There's no doubt Moltzen is a good player, but putting him at 5/8 over Benji…That ain't gonna happen. Moltzen said himself he was warming to the halfback position last year before his injury.**
If your moltzen, are you really going to claim that you are better than benji? Are you really going to cause that tension between the team members? Ofcourse not. You only have to look at the first few games moltzen played in the halves for us, he destroyed it. We haven't lost 1 game with Moltzen in the halves. He's a natural that's played league all his life. Put him in there and he'll take to it in a week or two, if not straight away.

**Thank god Sheens selects the team.**
so a year or two ago you weren't complaining about sheens's team selections at all? when no rookies had a crack?

im all for experimenting, but….. this business about benji only being about the razzle dazzle has not been true for a number of years now.
He is excellent distributor and attacking genius. A move to the centres would see him touch the ball about 1/3 as often, and reduce his time, the role of the modern centre in hitting holes and hard running, not Benji's strength. Moving to centre, pushes him 2 spots wider, and takes him out of the game.

I think it is a bad idea

 

[Demps]

When fit
Moltzen
Brown
Lawrence
Ahysford
Tuquiri
Marshall
Lui
Personally think that is better set up than yours MTD Put it to a vote if u like see who prefers your and who prefers this one ???

Haha, some shocking ideas in this thread (imo)
Benji @ fullback sounds interesting but no chance of ever seeing that happen.

Happy Tiger, no ones going to vote which team is better… It's not a competition either, everyone has an opinion and ultimately it all comes down to the coach though.

Heres another suggestion - what do you guys think of this?
1) Lote
2) Geoff Daniela
3) Lawrence
4) Ayshford
5) Beau Ryan

6) Benji
7) Lui

14) Moltzen

 

[Guest]

When fit
Moltzen
Brown
Lawrence
Ahysford
Tuquiri
Marshall
Lui
Personally think that is better set up than yours MTD Put it to a vote if u like see who prefers your and who prefers this one ???

Haha, some shocking ideas in this thread (imo)
Benji @ fullback sounds interesting but no chance of ever seeing that happen.

Happy Tiger, no ones going to vote which team is better… It's not a competition either, everyone has an opinion and ultimately it all comes down to the coach though.

Heres another suggestion - what do you guys think of this?
1) Lote
2) Geoff Daniela
3) Lawrence
4) Ayshford
5) Beau Ryan

6) Benji
7) Lui

14) Moltzen

Not a bad idea Demps, Tuqiri being a specialist winger counts against him being moved to fullback IMO, but he probably would go ok there.

 

[happy_tiger]

When fit
Moltzen
Brown
Lawrence
Ahysford
Tuquiri
Marshall
Lui
Personally think that is better set up than yours MTD Put it to a vote if u like see who prefers your and who prefers this one ???

Haha, some shocking ideas in this thread (imo)
Benji @ fullback sounds interesting but no chance of ever seeing that happen.

Happy Tiger, no ones going to vote which team is better… It's not a competition either, everyone has an opinion and ultimately it all comes down to the coach though.
Yeah sorry demps took it a bit far Point I was trying to make that most of us probably think that the side doesn't need too much tweeking that with a bit of luck we make GF and go on and win premiership last year
Heres another suggestion - what do you guys think of this?
1) Lote
2) Geoff Daniela
3) Lawrence
4) Ayshford
5) Beau Ryan

6) Benji
7) Lui

14) Moltzen