Wingers - We clearly need a decent winger

Ridiculous edge defence for the last 10 years.
You would think we would be able to fix it.
Nofo is dreadful and talau should never wear a Tigers Jersey again
 
For all those jumping on the Isaako Train, his defensive figures are worse than Nofo's and Tommys in every area (58% Tackle Efficiency) If we signed him it wouldn't be an improvement, a dead set defensive liability, why else would Wayne want him gone before he takes over next year.
 
All Madge needs to do is tell his wingers that if they rush in even once, they'll be dropped to reserve grade the next game.

3 of the Warriors tries came directly from one of our wingers jamming in and for another 2, Talau was caught out of position and they just sailed past him. If Nofo and Talau stay marked against the winger, none of those tries are scored.

I have no idea if this is the coach making the wrong call or the players just have no idea, but even my wife (who hates watching sport) asked why they were rushing up last night.
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Wingers \- We clearly need a decent winger](/post/1369352) said:
I only wish Nofoaluma defended with the intensity of young Scolari in U21s. You can see Scolari takes the contest with his opponent personally and the desperation in his defence is palpable.

With Leilua and Nofoaluma in the team we will leak points. I don't believe there is room in this style of game to carry two poor defenders in the outside backs.

Only two poor defenders? You are being to kind.
 
@tbones10 said in [Wingers \- We clearly need a decent winger](/post/1369384) said:
For all those jumping on the Isaako Train, his defensive figures are worse than Nofo's and Tommys in every area (58% Tackle Efficiency) If we signed him it wouldn't be an improvement, a dead set defensive liability, why else would Wayne want him gone before he takes over next year.

He is an appalling defender. I swear to god people don't watch him but just get excited about the thought of signing someone.
 
@tbones10 said in [Wingers \- We clearly need a decent winger](/post/1369333) said:
In attack, no problems at all, but defence is an absolute disgrace. If you look at the best clubs, there defence is side line to side line, yet for some reason our wingers stand 15-20 metres in so when defending their opposite is already outside them. The rationale behind the old numbering up and staying on your winger was if a break was made or the ball went wide, the wingers cancelled each other out, the cover defenders had a shorter distance to cover and better chance stopping the play. The only reason I can see for this 15-20meteres in is to encourage an long pass and go for the intercept, a very low IQ and a lower percentage play. If there is another reason could some one explain it please.

We all heard Ennis say that the Tigers right side had 20 tries scored against it so far this season. Well you look deeper into it out of the 60 tackles made by Nofo so far this year he has missed 22 he has a 70% tackle efficiency has been attributed to 15 try causes and 14 line breaks by Fox Sports, and he is one of the first players picked each week. Tommys is almost identical.

Can we find who gave Nuffie the 4 year contract! this act is the epitome of the club its just not players that are mediocre it goes much further up than that .
 
@telltails said in [Wingers \- We clearly need a decent winger](/post/1369528) said:
@tbones10 said in [Wingers \- We clearly need a decent winger](/post/1369384) said:
For all those jumping on the Isaako Train, his defensive figures are worse than Nofo's and Tommys in every area (58% Tackle Efficiency) If we signed him it wouldn't be an improvement, a dead set defensive liability, why else would Wayne want him gone before he takes over next year.

He is an appalling defender. I swear to god people don't watch him but just get excited about the thought of signing someone.

Fan Boys mate Nuffie is a hack Mr negative scores a few lets in a few has a negative value for the team but was rewarded with a huge new contract.. Should be nowhere near the team you need players that have positive value not negative value .
 
I just posted on another thread that I can’t believe we held on to Talau and Nofo in lieu of getting JAC.

And - we have Nofo for 4 more years.

Our management are idiots
 
Talau's ball security is absolutely abysmal and although I only saw him lose the ball in a tackle due to poor ball security once last night, you can usually count on him to do it it 2 or 3 times a game and you know that whenever it happens it leads to a try in the next set.

As far as his wing play goes, he has shown time and time again that he is not a winger.

Not really his fault I guess if we are that light on for wingers and he is our best option, but unfortunately he has no speed and the fact that he is regularly man handled over the touch line, mostly because he just doesn't have a clue about wing play.

Once again this leads to a try in the next set and it's like you have second sight because you can see it happening before hand.

I won't even go into the problems of jamming in and counting numbers, but our wingers are hopeless at it and after all this time there is no solution in sight.

Maybe Noffo and Tommy should be centres because if they defended where they are now and there was a winger outside them maybe our edge defense problems would be resolved.
 
@snake said in [Wingers \- We clearly need a decent winger](/post/1369533) said:
@tbones10 said in [Wingers \- We clearly need a decent winger](/post/1369333) said:
In attack, no problems at all, but defence is an absolute disgrace. If you look at the best clubs, there defence is side line to side line, yet for some reason our wingers stand 15-20 metres in so when defending their opposite is already outside them. The rationale behind the old numbering up and staying on your winger was if a break was made or the ball went wide, the wingers cancelled each other out, the cover defenders had a shorter distance to cover and better chance stopping the play. The only reason I can see for this 15-20meteres in is to encourage an long pass and go for the intercept, a very low IQ and a lower percentage play. If there is another reason could some one explain it please.

We all heard Ennis say that the Tigers right side had 20 tries scored against it so far this season. Well you look deeper into it out of the 60 tackles made by Nofo so far this year he has missed 22 he has a 70% tackle efficiency has been attributed to 15 try causes and 14 line breaks by Fox Sports, and he is one of the first players picked each week. Tommys is almost identical.

Can we find who gave Nuffie the 4 year contract! this act is the epitome of the club its just not players that are mediocre it goes much further up than that .

I’ll bet Inspector Gadget played a big part in that.
 
@snake said in [Wingers \- We clearly need a decent winger](/post/1369541) said:
@telltails said in [Wingers \- We clearly need a decent winger](/post/1369528) said:
@tbones10 said in [Wingers \- We clearly need a decent winger](/post/1369384) said:
For all those jumping on the Isaako Train, his defensive figures are worse than Nofo's and Tommys in every area (58% Tackle Efficiency) If we signed him it wouldn't be an improvement, a dead set defensive liability, why else would Wayne want him gone before he takes over next year.

He is an appalling defender. I swear to god people don't watch him but just get excited about the thought of signing someone.

Fan Boys mate Nuffie is a hack Mr negative scores a few lets in a few has a negative value for the team but was rewarded with a huge new contract.. Should be nowhere near the team you need players that have positive value not negative value .

Not defending Nofa or protecting him Im all for the best player to be picked every week but Issako comes from a losing team which he is part of with just as many weaknesses if not more. If the club is chasing him I hope his price tag reflects that or I would be steering well clear of him.
 
@telltails said in [Wingers \- We clearly need a decent winger](/post/1369583) said:
@snake said in [Wingers \- We clearly need a decent winger](/post/1369541) said:
@telltails said in [Wingers \- We clearly need a decent winger](/post/1369528) said:
@tbones10 said in [Wingers \- We clearly need a decent winger](/post/1369384) said:
For all those jumping on the Isaako Train, his defensive figures are worse than Nofo's and Tommys in every area (58% Tackle Efficiency) If we signed him it wouldn't be an improvement, a dead set defensive liability, why else would Wayne want him gone before he takes over next year.

He is an appalling defender. I swear to god people don't watch him but just get excited about the thought of signing someone.

Fan Boys mate Nuffie is a hack Mr negative scores a few lets in a few has a negative value for the team but was rewarded with a huge new contract.. Should be nowhere near the team you need players that have positive value not negative value .

Not defending Nofa or protecting him Im all for the best player to be picked every week but Issako comes from a losing team which he is part of with just as many weaknesses if not more. If the club is chasing him I hope his price tag reflects that or I would be steering well clear of him.

TBH, I know nothing of Isaako, is he fast, is he a reasonable defender, does he handle the high ball, can he catch a ball?

I’ll have to try and watch the Bronc’s today?
 
@snake said in [Wingers \- We clearly need a decent winger](/post/1369533) said:
@tbones10 said in [Wingers \- We clearly need a decent winger](/post/1369333) said:
In attack, no problems at all, but defence is an absolute disgrace. If you look at the best clubs, there defence is side line to side line, yet for some reason our wingers stand 15-20 metres in so when defending their opposite is already outside them. The rationale behind the old numbering up and staying on your winger was if a break was made or the ball went wide, the wingers cancelled each other out, the cover defenders had a shorter distance to cover and better chance stopping the play. The only reason I can see for this 15-20meteres in is to encourage an long pass and go for the intercept, a very low IQ and a lower percentage play. If there is another reason could some one explain it please.

We all heard Ennis say that the Tigers right side had 20 tries scored against it so far this season. Well you look deeper into it out of the 60 tackles made by Nofo so far this year he has missed 22 he has a 70% tackle efficiency has been attributed to 15 try causes and 14 line breaks by Fox Sports, and he is one of the first players picked each week. Tommys is almost identical.

Can we find who gave Nuffie the 4 year contract! this act is the epitome of the club its just not players that are mediocre it goes much further up than that .

I thought it was our chairman and major sponsor who pushed hard for it?
 
@tigerwest said in [Wingers \- We clearly need a decent winger](/post/1369590) said:
@telltails said in [Wingers \- We clearly need a decent winger](/post/1369583) said:
@snake said in [Wingers \- We clearly need a decent winger](/post/1369541) said:
@telltails said in [Wingers \- We clearly need a decent winger](/post/1369528) said:
@tbones10 said in [Wingers \- We clearly need a decent winger](/post/1369384) said:
For all those jumping on the Isaako Train, his defensive figures are worse than Nofo's and Tommys in every area (58% Tackle Efficiency) If we signed him it wouldn't be an improvement, a dead set defensive liability, why else would Wayne want him gone before he takes over next year.

He is an appalling defender. I swear to god people don't watch him but just get excited about the thought of signing someone.

Fan Boys mate Nuffie is a hack Mr negative scores a few lets in a few has a negative value for the team but was rewarded with a huge new contract.. Should be nowhere near the team you need players that have positive value not negative value .

Not defending Nofa or protecting him Im all for the best player to be picked every week but Issako comes from a losing team which he is part of with just as many weaknesses if not more. If the club is chasing him I hope his price tag reflects that or I would be steering well clear of him.

TBH, I know nothing of Isaako, is he fast, is he a reasonable defender, does he handle the high ball, can he catch a ball?

I’ll have to try and watch the Bronc’s today?

You should - now I have had a crack at him he will probably have a blinder. He could easily make our team but he has just as many weaknesses as the players we have got so concerned about how much cap would be needed to get him to come.
 
@hank37w said in [Wingers \- We clearly need a decent winger](/post/1369571) said:
Talau's ball security is absolutely abysmal and although I only saw him lose the ball in a tackle due to poor ball security once last night, you can usually count on him to do it it 2 or 3 times a game and you know that whenever it happens it leads to a try in the next set.

As far as his wing play goes, he has shown time and time again that he is not a winger.

Not really his fault I guess if we are that light on for wingers and he is our best option, but unfortunately he has no speed and the fact that he is regularly man handled over the touch line, mostly because he just doesn't have a clue about wing play.

Once again this leads to a try in the next set and it's like you have second sight because you can see it happening before hand.

I won't even go into the problems of jamming in and counting numbers, but our wingers are hopeless at it and after all this time there is no solution in sight.

Maybe Noffo and Tommy should be centres because if they defended where they are now and there was a winger outside them maybe our edge defense problems would be resolved.

He dropped or threw a ball against the Knights last week due to hands like feet. The guy has cement in his boots and should be no where near a backline. Mind you, he should be no where near a first grade side either.
 
@imback said in [Wingers \- We clearly need a decent winger](/post/1369560) said:
I just posted on another thread that I can’t believe we held on to Talau and Nofo in lieu of getting JAC.

And - we have Nofo for 4 more years.

Our management are idiots

Serious question, we’ve invested in Nofa long-term so why can’t the club work with him to play another position. As much as he is a good finisher & good hitting it up from a kick, he is a massive liability in defence. Can he work as a centre or far-out idea a ball-running 5/8? He can pass, he can talk & could be an attacking threat in either position. Would his defence be ok in those possies with players either side of him???
 
@blackwhitegold said in [Wingers \- We clearly need a decent winger](/post/1369709) said:
@imback said in [Wingers \- We clearly need a decent winger](/post/1369560) said:
I just posted on another thread that I can’t believe we held on to Talau and Nofo in lieu of getting JAC.

And - we have Nofo for 4 more years.

Our management are idiots

Serious question, we’ve invested in Nofa long-term so why can’t the club work with him to play another position. As much as he is a good finisher & good hitting it up from a kick, he is a massive liability in defence. Can he work as a centre or far-out idea a ball-running 5/8? He can pass, he can talk & could be an attacking threat in either position. Would his defence be ok in those possies with players either side of him???

No
 
@tigger19 said in [Wingers \- We clearly need a decent winger](/post/1369712) said:
@blackwhitegold said in [Wingers \- We clearly need a decent winger](/post/1369709) said:
@imback said in [Wingers \- We clearly need a decent winger](/post/1369560) said:
I just posted on another thread that I can’t believe we held on to Talau and Nofo in lieu of getting JAC.

And - we have Nofo for 4 more years.

Our management are idiots

Serious question, we’ve invested in Nofa long-term so why can’t the club work with him to play another position. As much as he is a good finisher & good hitting it up from a kick, he is a massive liability in defence. Can he work as a centre or far-out idea a ball-running 5/8? He can pass, he can talk & could be an attacking threat in either position. Would his defence be ok in those possies with players either side of him???

No

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