GNR4LIFE
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You do realise Manly haven't made haven't made the finals since 2014 right? You say the good clubs don't have two bad years in a row, well they had 3.
Woods may have stayed if Ivan had come earlier
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You do realise Manly haven't made haven't made the finals since 2014 right? You say the good clubs don't have two bad years in a row, well they had 3.
innsaneink
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Spud_Murphy
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Fair enough, they missed '15 & '16, but they'll be back there this year. Previous to those years they were in the finals every year for 10 years. Not a bad record, If only we could match that.
Pawsandclaws
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Aren't you at all a bit cynical about the success of the "good clubs'?
GNR4LIFE
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True, but it's ignorant to believe that everything will fall into place for Canterbury just because they have a good finals record. You aren't looking at the whole picture. There's a reason why they are coming 13th. Now ask yourself if the players they have coming will be enough to improve them enough to get them to the finals. I don't think they are.
earl
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I honestly don't think some guys really have a clue when they post stuff like this. Good clubs have winning cultures so they never have bad seasons. Think it through a little bit. Does this culture thing make teams play well ?
It comes down to having a good team. We had a good team in 05 and when we made the finals in 10/11\. Was our culture what gave us these wins or is it somehow different for us.
It's just having a good squad, having some luck with injuries and a degree of how well coached and disciplined the team is.
Being able to rort the cap has the most to do with developing a good squad.
TigerTone
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you've made your bed, now lie in it.
it is what it is aye….
it is what it is aye….
earl
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As for how Canterbury will go next year. They will have one of if not the best packs in the game but they have a great pack this year.Foran could help them out in the halves. I think he is a better player than Reynolds. They also have some quality outside backs in the Morris boys.
They will have a good team. On paper they look like a top 8 team and that is being harsh. The problem is Foran and Woods are both players that may not really improve their team.
I'd rather Canterburys team next year than ours. Our pack may improve but it's not clear cut that it will. I think our backline looks stronger but we are losing the Turd.
We will be relying on players like Brooks/Suli/Tui/Aloiai/Milne to go from inexperienced inconsistent players to really good first graders whereas Canterbury will be hoping Woods and Foran add to the team and their current players somehow improve.
If Canterbury don't kill it next year they could be on a nice tumble down as they will probably have to rebuild. We will be looking to add players to a decent group of players that hopefully can improve over the next couple of seasons.
I'm glad Woods is gone. I think for the amount of money he is getting paid he is an underperformer.
They will have a good team. On paper they look like a top 8 team and that is being harsh. The problem is Foran and Woods are both players that may not really improve their team.
I'd rather Canterburys team next year than ours. Our pack may improve but it's not clear cut that it will. I think our backline looks stronger but we are losing the Turd.
We will be relying on players like Brooks/Suli/Tui/Aloiai/Milne to go from inexperienced inconsistent players to really good first graders whereas Canterbury will be hoping Woods and Foran add to the team and their current players somehow improve.
If Canterbury don't kill it next year they could be on a nice tumble down as they will probably have to rebuild. We will be looking to add players to a decent group of players that hopefully can improve over the next couple of seasons.
I'm glad Woods is gone. I think for the amount of money he is getting paid he is an underperformer.
Many years ago a friend of mine (Carl) had a lovely young lady break up with him. The week after it happened, sitting in a university park he told me all about how he was glad she had broken up with him and that he didn't really love her after all. He told me that he had treated her well (he hadn't), that he was just being himself (his life was a mess because he kept making bad decisions).
I remember vividly feeling despair for him.
My despair was for his ignorant denial. Yes in the end she had also treated him poorly. Yes in the end the best side of her wasn't there everyday.
I don't know what happened to Carl. Reading this tread has made me wonder if he still blames her. I wonder if he remembers her for what she was or what he convinced himself that she was when his treatment of her brought out the worst in her.
Perhaps in parallel to Woods, I wonder what his life would have been like if she hadn't of been there in those difficult years when he seemed to stuff everything up. He wasn't a particularly stable guy.
I remember vividly feeling despair for him.
My despair was for his ignorant denial. Yes in the end she had also treated him poorly. Yes in the end the best side of her wasn't there everyday.
I don't know what happened to Carl. Reading this tread has made me wonder if he still blames her. I wonder if he remembers her for what she was or what he convinced himself that she was when his treatment of her brought out the worst in her.
Perhaps in parallel to Woods, I wonder what his life would have been like if she hadn't of been there in those difficult years when he seemed to stuff everything up. He wasn't a particularly stable guy.
goldcoast_tiger
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Makes you wonder though, when one of those reasons that they are struggling, is coming here, costing big money ( and with a bad disciplinary record) to supposedly help pull us out of the Poo.
They have a better pack in front of him than we do( the jury's still out about next years pack) . If he's ordinary behind that pack, let's hope that he has a major rethink about his game before he gets here.
The more games I see him play , the more nervous I get.
If he doesn't aim up, then we are stuck with a big debt.
gallagher
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They don't stay down too long like any of the rich clubs. But after winning comps in the 70s, 80s, 90s and the 00s they're running out of time to win one this decade.
And 2004 is a longer premiership drought than us.
At least the Bulldogs fans now know why Woods signed up …for the $$ as the mental genius stated in the interview you have to look after your family good point . I am personally glad to see the back of him ,his mentality and attitude as with the other 2 have been the catalyst of the weak culture this club has had for years .Good luck to them all as they are not the the Tigers problem any more.
Spud_Murphy
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Yes I'm ignorant and yes I don't have a clue - thanks for your encouragement. It's a forum where we share our opinions, most of us probably have no idea in the long run.
However, referring back to the culture thing, how many times have people posted on here about how important it is for a club to have a winning culture? And how they wished we had that type of culture? If I had a dollar for every time I've seen it mentioned I'd be a very rich man! Now suddenly it all means nothing and just having a good squad is the key to ongoing success - tell that to the Warriors, who with their squad should be blitzing the opposition every week!
I'm not saying that the clubs that have a history of a winning culture never have bad seasons, I'm just pointing out that they rarely stay down for very long. They don't continually miss the playoffs year after year. They manage to come through the rough times a whole lot quicker than many of the teams who consistently finish in the bottom eight.
I certainly don't disagree that sometimes the rorting of the salary cap can play a part in their quick resurgence, especially with teams like Easts and Brisbane, but i wouldn't place either Manly or Canterbury in that category, over the years, and they are the teams that stand out to me as having a culture that does not tolerate mediocrity for more than a season.
earl
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Let's state Melbourne has the best culture. Go and put a reserve grade team down there instead of the current team and they will come dead last.
Culture is overrated.
Culture is overrated.
larrycorowa
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Ridiculous statement
