WT heading towards financial sustainability?

[Black_n_White]

And while I'm on a rant. Change ISP team to Wests tigers to stop division

Agreed. I couldn't understand why they changed it this year.

Yeti I think its
Because Wests Ashfield are living in the past. It will probably take another 30 odd years until all the old timers that are stuck in the past are respectively gone, by that stage it should be all good and majority of our supporters will be Wests tigers supporters not Balmain or wests. I think the best way to immediately try and stop the rot is to ditch Cambo and Leichhardt stadiums and play every home game out of the new stadium or sfs or homebush and only 1 game each at Cambo and Leichhardt per year in traditional jersey. That would still show acknowledgement to our 2 great foundation clubs but anywhere but those two old stadiums. Embrace our history but start looking to the future is they way to go imo

I could waste my time trying to explain how it got to where it is, but I honestly think it would only serve to start a mud slinging match. But I will tell you that it wasnt Ashfield that pushed for ISP to be Wests…. It was Campbelltown. For starters.

 

[Black_n_White]

If the club has reached financial sustainability why have it stopped nearly two months ago from spending for new good new quality players?

financial sustainability of the club and salary cap management, are not aligned in any way what so ever.

 

[weststigerman]

Looks like the dinosaurs are out again.

Go Wests Tigers

 

[jadtiger]

And while I'm on a rant. Change ISP team to Wests tigers to stop division

Agreed. I couldn't understand why they changed it this year.

Yeti I think its
Because Wests Ashfield are living in the past. It will probably take another 30 odd years until all the old timers that are stuck in the past are respectively gone, by that stage it should be all good and majority of our supporters will be Wests tigers supporters not Balmain or wests. I think the best way to immediately try and stop the rot is to ditch Cambo and Leichhardt stadiums and play every home game out of the new stadium or sfs or homebush and only 1 game each at Cambo and Leichhardt per year in traditional jersey. That would still show acknowledgement to our 2 great foundation clubs but anywhere but those two old stadiums. Embrace our history but start looking to the future is they way to go imo

Agreed

 

[Balmainian]

I cant believe this is even still an issue for some.
I followed Balmain and would love to see the boys run around at Liechardt once a year probably playing Souths or the Roosters, and i would be just as satisfied to see the lads in the old Victa playing Manly at Campletown.
The merger should never have been a bitter relation between the two clubs, It should have been(and from the top)embraced…...2 historic teams, 2 sets of fans, double the resources and junior development.
I for one love that our two clubs survived together rather than dying alone.

 

[Black_n_White]

I cant believe this is even still an issue for some.
I followed Balmain and would love to see the boys run around at Liechardt once a year probably playing Souths or the Roosters, and i would be just as satisfied to see the lads in the old Victa playing Manly at Campletown.
The merger should never have been a bitter relation between the two clubs, It should have been(and from the top)embraced…...2 historic teams, 2 sets of fans, double the resources and junior development.
I for one love that our two clubs survived together rather than dying alone.

Exactly….

In a nutshell, to circumvent the dollar for dollar deal between the Wests parties and Balmain, Wests Campbelltown sold their stake to Ashfield, which allowed them to funnel monies into the Joint venture as a sponsor instead. Wests Ashfield picked up the slack funding Balmians Juniors programs and affiliates, and in turn Campbelltown took up financial duties regarding the ISP team which in the process alleviated the financial stresses on the Wests Tigers club.

The real problem is the fans carrying on like muppets at any opportunity. We arent the only club who doest share logos with our ISP feeder teams... Mounties, Newtown and Bears are all affiliated...

The one positive is that this is being discussed in a thread about us being financially sustainable, something we wouldnt be if the Wests Tigers carried the ISP teams financial strain of alone.

Our books are balancing because of this deal. There isnt any backroom takeover afoot... It was a shrewd business deal done in the best interest of the Wests Tigers. People need to grow up.

 

[diedpretty]

18 years as a JV and people are still squabbling over Balmain and Wests. We are Wests tigers now. Embrace our identity but also embrace our 2 club history. It's not hard to understand that had we not merged neither of our clubs would of survived. If it means that much to old die hards follow magpies in ISP or pull out some old videos of your beloved Balmain & Wests and live in the past if you must.

Im not squabbling over it. I have embraced the Wests Tigers, what i am pointing out is that a lot of the media and other fans don't see Wests Tigers as anything other than a rebadged Balmain. Unfortunately their are some in the media who push this agenda - and anyone who says Blocker Roach doesn;t has blinkers on. Wests Ashfield should be making more of an effort to enforce on dumb ex footballers that the team is Wests Tigers not Balmain. I have no problem with them being referred to as just the Tigers in the media but not Balmain.

 

[gallagher]

Is it true that the money owed to wests by balmain is due Jan 1 next year?

 

[Black_n_White]

Is it true that the money owed to wests by balmain is due Jan 1 next year?

not as far as I am aware… doesnt mean it isnt though.

 

[gallagher]

Is it true that the money owed to wests by balmain is due Jan 1 next year?

not as far as I am aware… doesnt mean it isnt though.

But it was on facebook :smiley:
cheers

 

[Set_play]

18 years as a JV and people are still squabbling over Balmain and Wests. We are Wests tigers now. Embrace our identity but also embrace our 2 club history. It's not hard to understand that had we not merged neither of our clubs would of survived. If it means that much to old die hards follow magpies in ISP or pull out some old videos of your beloved Balmain & Wests and live in the past if you must.

Im not squabbling over it. I have embraced the Wests Tigers, what i am pointing out is that a lot of the media and other fans don't see Wests Tigers as anything other than a rebadged Balmain. Unfortunately their are some in the media who push this agenda - and anyone who says Blocker Roach doesn;t has blinkers on. Wests Ashfield should be making more of an effort to enforce on dumb ex footballers that the team is Wests Tigers not Balmain. I have no problem with them being referred to as just the Tigers in the media but not Balmain.

Sorry mate, didn't mean it directly at you

 

[Snake]

I think Balmain owe the NRL money not Wests Tigers

I think Balmain owe Wests Ashfield money… and we under any banner are clear to the nrl.

The sooner the better that everybody including the media understand that the WestsTigers are not a joint venture they are owned by the West’s group that paid out 20 million to the Nrl to cover Balmains debt.
IMO the club will never have its own identity until the realities of the situation is made clear and people do not think otherwise .

Why do we not have our own identity?

Well I thought I would leave answering this question for a few days, by reading the posts since then have you not seen WHY this club has no identity .
It does not matter who or what own the WestsTigers what the problem is until the reality of what the club is nothing will change.
The club is owned by one identity it is not a joint venture and all refrence to this has to stop, one home ground the WSS has to be the one starting from 2019 with the occasional game at Liechardt ,the pandering to sections of past supporters has to stop moving forward .
I am from the West side ..I spent every year travelling to Campbelltown Stadium .. The West’s group own the Tigers big deal and me and many I know believe so what!
I follow one team the WestsTigers I want my club to have its own identity not the identity of ghosts from the past …This club IMO is at the cross roads of whether it finally secures it’s rightful place as one of Sydney’s premium sporting clubs ,if this opportunity is not grasped I feel there is no future ,I can not stress that moving to the new WSS is the catalyst and game changer that many of us have beEN waiting for and maybe just maybe the WESTSTIGERS will get its own identity .

 

[Tiger_Steve]

I think Balmain owe Wests Ashfield money… and we under any banner are clear to the nrl.

The sooner the better that everybody including the media understand that the WestsTigers are not a joint venture they are owned by the West’s group that paid out 20 million to the Nrl to cover Balmains debt.
IMO the club will never have its own identity until the realities of the situation is made clear and people do not think otherwise .

Why do we not have our own identity?

Well I thought I would leave answering this question for a few days, by reading the posts since then have you not seen WHY this club has no identity .
It does not matter who or what own the WestsTigers what the problem is until the reality of what the club is nothing will change.
The club is owned by one identity it is not a joint venture and all refrence to this has to stop, one home ground the WSS has to be the one starting from 2019 with the occasional game at Liechardt ,the pandering to sections of past supporters has to stop moving forward .
I am from the West side ..I spent every year travelling to Campbelltown Stadium .. The West’s group own the Tigers big deal and me and many I know believe so what!
I follow one team the WestsTigers I want my club to have its own identity not the identity of ghosts from the past …This club IMO is at the cross roads of whether it finally secures it’s rightful place as one of Sydney’s premium sporting clubs ,if this opportunity is not grasped I feel there is no future ,I can not stress that moving to the new WSS is the catalyst and game changer that many of us have beEN waiting for and maybe just maybe the WESTSTIGERS will get its own identity .

Well I think we are quite aligned in our thinking - we are WestsTigers.
I’m happy with the one stadium idea but see nothing wrong with recognising our roots - which are Balmain and Wests. I love Leichhardt but agree that one home ground would be a catalyst for unity.
I’d prefer to see everyone in WestsTigers gear as well rather than magpies and Balmain jerseys but I suppose old loyalties are hard to let go.
In regards to the posts - the vast majority talk of unity and being under a WestsTigers banner so this is good. Heaps less division than before.
In regards to us being a force - onfield success needs to happen. The board and office seem to have their acts together. Just need to keep improving on the field.

 

[west_67]

Please correct me if i am totally wrong but i am under the impression the Balmain are broke and have a long way to go to even break even if at all.The bullshit that surrounds West or Balmain is slow killing its chance to form an identity all fans can be proud of.Build the centre of excellence,Get TWO HIGH SCHOOLS to help produce talent for the Tigers,Put more effort into your junior bases.Stuff this he said bulldust. We are tigers till we die.

 

[Set_play]

And while I'm on a rant. Change ISP team to Wests tigers to stop division

Agreed. I couldn't understand why they changed it this year.

Yeti I think its
Because Wests Ashfield are living in the past. It will probably take another 30 odd years until all the old timers that are stuck in the past are respectively gone, by that stage it should be all good and majority of our supporters will be Wests tigers supporters not Balmain or wests. I think the best way to immediately try and stop the rot is to ditch Cambo and Leichhardt stadiums and play every home game out of the new stadium or sfs or homebush and only 1 game each at Cambo and Leichhardt per year in traditional jersey. That would still show acknowledgement to our 2 great foundation clubs but anywhere but those two old stadiums. Embrace our history but start looking to the future is they way to go imo

I could waste my time trying to explain how it got to where it is, but I honestly think it would only serve to start a mud slinging match. But I will tell you that it wasnt Ashfield that pushed for ISP to be Wests…. It was Campbelltown. For starters.

Settle down champ I'm also not after a mud slinging match. I was under the impression that Wests Campbeltown sold all there shares to Wests Ashfield in 2014 and have no seats on the board and if that's the case why would their opinion really count but I may be wrong and if I am thanks for pointing that out.

 

[BalmainTiger]

I think Balmain owe Wests Ashfield money… and we under any banner are clear to the nrl.

The sooner the better that everybody including the media understand that the WestsTigers are not a joint venture they are owned by the West’s group that paid out 20 million to the Nrl to cover Balmains debt.
IMO the club will never have its own identity until the realities of the situation is made clear and people do not think otherwise .

Why do we not have our own identity?

Because the club is owned by Wests.

Why they loaned Balmain money is beyond me. They will never get it back.

West's Magpies should be the clubs identity.

the day wests take over i will follow another team. what about the first few years when Balmain were covering wests with money?

 

[BalmainTiger]

The sooner the better that everybody including the media understand that the WestsTigers are not a joint venture they are owned by the West’s group that paid out 20 million to the Nrl to cover Balmains debt.
IMO the club will never have its own identity until the realities of the situation is made clear and people do not think otherwise .

Why do we not have our own identity?

Because the club is owned by Wests.

Why they loaned Balmain money is beyond me. They will never get it back.

West's Magpies should be the clubs identity.

the day wests take over i will follow another team. what about the first few years when Balmain were covering wests with money?

it's Wests Tigers and not Wests Magpies TIGERS as in Balmain.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Why do we not have our own identity?

Because the club is owned by Wests.

Why they loaned Balmain money is beyond me. They will never get it back.

West's Magpies should be the clubs identity.

the day wests take over i will follow another team. what about the first few years when Balmain were covering wests with money?

it's Wests Tigers and not Wests Magpies TIGERS as in Balmain.

TIGERS as in WESTS TIGERS. West’s Magpies and Balmain Tigers are just a history lesson for the dinasours to savour.

 

[sideline_eye]

The sooner the better that everybody including the media understand that the WestsTigers are not a joint venture they are owned by the West’s group that paid out 20 million to the Nrl to cover Balmains debt.
IMO the club will never have its own identity until the realities of the situation is made clear and people do not think otherwise .

Why do we not have our own identity?

Because the club is owned by Wests.

Why they loaned Balmain money is beyond me. They will never get it back.

West's Magpies should be the clubs identity.

the day wests take over i will follow another team. what about the first few years when Balmain were covering wests with money?

Wests already have control, so I guess you'll have to follow Balmain. Oh, wait on…......................................................

 

[Tigertail]

I think alot of fans here are just fed up with this bs between Wests and Balmain. Why would you want to reminisce back to the 90s when Wests were the worst team and Balmain was not much better, is beyond me. We are now Wests Tigers, as are, the majority of the fan base. You Wests and Balmain supporters are in the minority, we want to remember our foundation clubs however, Lets get on with becoming a strong club and not divided.