WT NSW cup team for 2013

@Gary Bakerloo said:
@Yossarian said:
It's not 1985… Leagues club strength is of rapidly declining importance to the sustainability of NRL teams. Most of the top 8 (Dogs would be a notable exception) hardly have league's clubs pumping cash into their teams. On the other hand league's club strength is a big deal in the Bundy Cup...

I have to disagree with you. Only 2 of the 16 NRL clubs are profitable (Souths and Brisbane). The other 14 clubs still require a leagues club or a private benefactor to cover losses (or both).

Well my point was more that the shift is to the latter. The NRL grant is what powers teams in the NRL. You can be successful without having a licensed club pumping mega bucks in. The days where big clubs = dominant teams is over. Look at the top 8:

Bulldogs - Mega club which is probably still their biggest source of funds
Melbourne - Privately owned. No club?
Souths - Senior leagues club (AFAIK) has been unprofitable for some time. Relies on Rusty et al to pay the bills
Manly - Leagues club fell over, privately owned
NQ - Privately owned. I've seen their leagues club and I'd be surprised if it gave much if anything to the Cows NRL team
Canberra - As I understand it one of the constituent clubs is the big contributor?
Sharks - League's club flatlining, new development should change things
Broncos - Privately owned. Never seen their club but doubt it is a big contributor
 
@Yossarian said:
Well my point was more that the shift is to the latter. The NRL grant is what powers teams in the NRL. You can be successful without having a licensed club pumping mega bucks in. The days where big clubs = dominant teams is over.

It is not a shift, it is an objective.

The NRL grant covers just one of the major costs - player salaries. The salary cap is linked to the grant. All off field expenses such as medical, coaching, development etc is covered by sponsorship, merchandise, membership and gate takings.

If you don't need a Leagues club, then why bother with all the hassle of the Balmain Leagues redevelopment?
 
@Gary Bakerloo said:
@Yossarian said:
Well my point was more that the shift is to the latter. The NRL grant is what powers teams in the NRL. You can be successful without having a licensed club pumping mega bucks in. The days where big clubs = dominant teams is over.

It is not a shift, it is an objective.

The NRL grant covers just one of the major costs - player salaries. The salary cap is linked to the grant. All off field expenses such as medical, coaching, development etc is covered by sponsorship, merchandise, membership and gate takings.

If you don't need a Leagues club, then why bother with all the hassle of the Balmain Leagues redevelopment?

Of course it's an objective. Why bother? Someone has to fund the junior leagues and it's nice to have a proper home.
 
@Yossarian said:
@Gary Bakerloo said:
@Yossarian said:
It's not 1985… Leagues club strength is of rapidly declining importance to the sustainability of NRL teams. Most of the top 8 (Dogs would be a notable exception) hardly have league's clubs pumping cash into their teams. On the other hand league's club strength is a big deal in the Bundy Cup...

I have to disagree with you. Only 2 of the 16 NRL clubs are profitable (Souths and Brisbane). The other 14 clubs still require a leagues club or a private benefactor to cover losses (or both).

Well my point was more that the shift is to the latter. The NRL grant is what powers teams in the NRL. You can be successful without having a licensed club pumping mega bucks in. The days where big clubs = dominant teams is over. Look at the top 8:

Bulldogs - Mega club which is probably still their biggest source of funds
Melbourne - Privately owned. No club?
Souths - Senior leagues club (AFAIK) has been unprofitable for some time. Relies on Rusty et al to pay the bills
Manly - Leagues club fell over, privately owned
NQ - Privately owned. I've seen their leagues club and I'd be surprised if it gave much if anything to the Cows NRL team
Canberra - As I understand it one of the constituent clubs is the big contributor?
Sharks - League's club flatlining, new development should change things
Broncos - Privately owned. Never seen their club but doubt it is a big contributor

You make a very valid point. To add, Souths are not funded by Crowe, he hasn't put any of his own money in for 4yrs now. He also has nothing to do with the Leagues Club, Souths on Chalmers, which is a separate legal entity to the footy club.

A combined WT NSW Cup side will be very beneficial to WT as an entity, and also for Wests to get back control of their junior area is a great thing…what benefits there are to Balmain, I'm not too sure. I thnk it just evens things back out again, as there was always the perception, with fairly solid reasons, that Balmain were favoured by WT. That will NOT be the case now. The bickering can now stop. Balmain will continue to run their juniors, Wests will get a chance to do so of theirs, and WT can run the senior footy, incl NSW Cup, with those said junior leagues hopefully providing ongoing young talent.
 
So is this a done deal? Or has Wests Tigers jumped the gun?

If it does go ahead…
Will the 20 odd that go watch the abbreviated team play at the old girl continue to go and support the merged team... will the 8 odd that go watch the Magpies continue to go and support the merged team...

Will lolly-legs continue to rack up a score...
 
@Staks said:
So is this a done deal? Or has Wests Tigers jumped the gun?

If it does go ahead…
Will the 20 odd that go watch the abbreviated team play at the old girl continue to go and support the merged team... will the 8 odd that go watch the Magpies continue to go and support the merged team...

Will lolly-legs continue to rack up a score...

Ashfield has committed their support = def a WT team for 2013\. Some magpies men may oppose but wests magpies have buckleys of fielding a nsw cup side without full support from ashfield
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Foundation club … Western Suburbs Magpies.

THE death knell is set to sound tomorrow night on the Western Suburbs Magpies, a foundation club with 105 years of history.
A Western Suburbs District Rugby League Football Club board meeting will resolve whether the Fibros attempt to submit a side into the NSW Cup competition next year. While an application has been lodged with the NSWRL for the 2013-14 seasons - with the league expected to ratify teams by September 24 - Magpies directors will debate the merits of the move. There is a strong will to see Western Suburbs retain a senior team but The Sun-Herald has been told the majority of directors recognise it is futile trying to keep the maligned Black and Whites going.
The Wests Tigers issued a press release last week declaring ''unanimous support for the club to field a single stream side in the NSW Cup from the 2013 season''. It is understood Balmain Ryde-Eastwood requested an extension in order to get an application in but has not done so following Wests Tigers' stance. It looks likely they won't be in the NSW Cup next year which would also mean the end of Balmain, another foundation club.

''Since 1908 the Magpies have had more hits than Elvis but continue to get up,'' a highly placed Magpies source said. ''It looks like with this biggest hit, which has been conducted at joint-venture board level, the Wests Group has suffered irreversible damage that will see the Magpies finally laid to rest, which is upsetting. I believe the writing is on the wall. The numbers are pointing towards a joint-venture NSW Cup team, that's what it looks like. Sadly, there doesn't seem to be enough people fighting for the black and white cause. We seem to be losing our representation through our own joint venture.''
In 2012, the Wests Tigers used Balmain Ryde-Eastwood as their preferred feeder team, sending demoted and upcoming NRL players to the Tigers outfit. The results were catastrophic for the Magpies, who went the season without a win. In 24 matches they conceded 1400 points and scored only 280\. It appears that their 76-4 loss to Balmain Ryde-Eastwood at Leichhardt Oval on September 1 will be their final one.
If Wests Magpies directors vote to abandon their push for NSW Cup representation, the district club constitution states the matter must go to its members. However, a source claimed that it would be a ''moot point'' by that stage. Even if directors opted to push forward for one more year, there is no guarantee a licence will be granted.
''If there is a ratification of the Wests Tigers [single side], I know some people will make headlines out of the 'death of Western Suburbs','' the chairman of Wests Ashfield Leagues Club Mike Bailey said, and the alternate Wests Tigers chairman to appointee David Trodden. ''It's no more the end of Western Suburbs than it is of Balmain, at least at that level of competition. What has been discussed is that both of those clubs will continue to present young players through the junior ranks in Harold Matthews and S. G. Ball on the way up. But of course there would be the single State Cup side, which potentially is a good move.''
Fibros fans have always feared that the marriage of Balmain and Western Suburbs in 1999 was more of a takeover than a merger.
''It looks like Balmain, it walks like Balmain, it talks like Balmain,'' one source said. ''So it might as well be Balmain.''
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"If Wests Magpies directors vote to abandon their push for NSW Cup representation, the district club constitution states the matter must go to its members. However, a source claimed that it would be a ''moot point'' by that stage. Even if directors opted to push forward for one more year, there is no guarantee a licence will be granted." WTFL any idea on the date Wests directors vote whether to accept this decision? Cheers
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if it smells like balmain , walks like balmain , talks like balmain , looks like balmain , i say go for it stop the wingers , if you dont like it , find another team , maybe penriffff
 
@andrew 474 said:
if it smells like balmain , walks like balmain , talks like balmain , looks like balmain , i say go for it stop the wingers , if you dont like it , find another team , maybe penriffff

You've always got Ryde Eastwood tiger.
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So do they play at cambo & lo?
Balmain jersys at one, wests at the other
Two seperate fan groups?
or one?
or none?
Madness
Where do they train?
Whos the coach?
What do they wear to away games?
What do they wear in semis?
Grand finals?
Will there be soap?
 
@innsaneink said:
So do they play at cambo & lo?
Balmain jersys at one, wests at the other
Two seperate fan groups?
or one?
or none?
Madness
Where do they train?
Whos the coach?
What do they wear to away games?
What do they wear in semis?
Grand finals?
Will there be soap?

My understanding is… Alternate between balmain and wests jerseys. One strip maintained for all of semis and gf does not change till wt nsw cup next make semis.

Jerseys may be based on current WT heritage jerseys but may be a new design with a mixture of balmain & wests influences (i.e balmain or wests logo on each sleeve)

Concord based. Will utilise WT resources for training, equipment, gear etc - just like bret in 2012

There can only be one fan base. Diehards may reject or accept a wt nsw cup team and may or may not attend.

Games will be split 6 at campbelltown and 6 at LO. Ideally schedule games on NRL game days where possible (especially at campbelltown where it costs $2-$3k to rent for the arvo on non NRL games)

WT membership packages may include free nsw cup entry

WT branding may bring more people to the games but nsw cup will still be low profile compared to NRL level

Subject to change but this will basically be the plan.

Interesting times ahead for all involved with WT.
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So Wests Tigers have finally killed off both foundation football clubs.

They should do the honourable thing now and accept and celebrate only there own history. As this club has none of the foundations it was built on.

Though honour and the Wests Tigers don't really go hand in hand…
 
@wtfl1981 said:
@innsaneink said:
So do they play at cambo & lo?
Balmain jersys at one, wests at the other
Two seperate fan groups?
or one?
or none?
Madness
Where do they train?
Whos the coach?
What do they wear to away games?
What do they wear in semis?
Grand finals?
Will there be soap?

My understanding is… Alternate between balmain and wests jerseys. One strip maintained for all of semis and gf does not change till wt nsw cup next make semis.

Jerseys may be based on current WT heritage jerseys but may be a new design with a mixture of balmain & wests influences (i.e balmain or wests logo on each sleeve)

Concord based. Will utilise WT resources for training, equipment, gear etc - just like bret in 2012

There can only be one fan base. Diehards may reject or accept a wt nsw cup team and may or may not attend.

Games will be split 6 at campbelltown and 6 at LO. Ideally schedule games on NRL game days where possible (especially at campbelltown where it costs $2-$3k to rent for the arvo on non NRL games)

WT membership packages may include free nsw cup entry

WT branding may bring more people to the games but nsw cup will still be low profile compared to NRL level

Subject to change but this will basically be the plan.

Interesting times ahead for all involved with WT.
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When is Humpty laying the first brick at the UWS Centre of Excellence ?
 
@Staks said:
@wtfl1981 said:
@innsaneink said:
So do they play at cambo & lo?
Balmain jersys at one, wests at the other
Two seperate fan groups?
or one?
or none?
Madness
Where do they train?
Whos the coach?
What do they wear to away games?
What do they wear in semis?
Grand finals?
Will there be soap?

My understanding is… Alternate between balmain and wests jerseys. One strip maintained for all of semis and gf does not change till wt nsw cup next make semis.

Jerseys may be based on current WT heritage jerseys but may be a new design with a mixture of balmain & wests influences (i.e balmain or wests logo on each sleeve)

Concord based. Will utilise WT resources for training, equipment, gear etc - just like bret in 2012

There can only be one fan base. Diehards may reject or accept a wt nsw cup team and may or may not attend.

Games will be split 6 at campbelltown and 6 at LO. Ideally schedule games on NRL game days where possible (especially at campbelltown where it costs $2-$3k to rent for the arvo on non NRL games)

WT membership packages may include free nsw cup entry

WT branding may bring more people to the games but nsw cup will still be low profile compared to NRL level

Subject to change but this will basically be the plan.

Interesting times ahead for all involved with WT.
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When is Humpty laying the first brick at the UWS Centre of Excellence ?

Prob in 2020
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Well it is confirmed by NSWRL that the Wests Tigers are entered in NSW Cup and neither Balmain or Western Suburbs are

13 team comp with Wyong Roos entering a stand alone team and Albury Thunder confirmed as entering in 2014 as the Storms feeder

http://www.nswrl.com.au/default.aspx?s=article-display&id=65380&title=13-teams-confirmed-for-2013-vb-nsw-cup
 
The Board of the New South Wales Rugby League has today announced that 13 teams will compete in the 2013 VB NSW Cup competition.

The Board also endorsed Wyong’s application for the 2013 season and reiterated an edict from the VB NSW Cup Management Committee to work with representatives from the Albury Thunder and Melbourne Storm to ensure they fulfil all the necessary criteria ahead of the 2014 season.

“Wyong’s entry into the VB NSW Cup and the thought of Albury entering in the near future is a real positive for this competition,” NSWRL General Manager, Geoff Carr, said.

“Newcastle’s return this year, along with Canberra’s partnership with Mounties, helped strengthen the competition to the point where we had twelve teams vying for a finals berth in the last few rounds of the regular season.

“The competition also produced 36 debutants for the Telstra Premiership which was an increase of five from the 2011 season and significantly more than the other second tier competitions.”

Following on from the success of the Newtown and Windsor match in Parkes this year, the NSWRL will also be looking to take several VB NSW Cup fixtures to country areas in season 2013.

The calendar will again feature special events throughout the season with double and triple headers planned for various weekends during the regular season.

It is envisaged the 2013 VB NSW Cup draw will be released to the participating Clubs and public by the end of November.

2013 participating VB NSW Cup Clubs and their affiliates:

VB NSW Cup team- NRL Affiliate
Auckland Vulcans - Warriors
Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs - Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs
Cronulla Sharks - Cronulla Sharks/Melbourne Storm
Illawarra Cutters - St George Illawarra Dragons
Manly Warringah Sea Eagles - Manly Warringah Sea Eagles
Mounties - Canberra Raiders
Newcastle Knights - Newcastle Knights
Newtown Jets - Sydney Roosters
North Sydney Bears - South Sydney Rabbitohs
Wentworthville Magpies - Parramatta Eels
Wests Tigers - Wests Tigers
Windsor Wolves - Penrith Panthers
Wyong Roos - Stand alone
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Te Wyong team is an interesting decision.

No NRL backing could make it hard for them.

However there are a lot of ex NSW Cup players (very good ones at that) running around on the Central Coast so if they can attract those it will be a good start
 

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