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tig_prmz said:
I still can't get over the fact that we publicly went after Ciraldo and offerred him a 5 year deal in the media. We boasted about it, then we went and declared that Ciraldo rejected us because he's not interested in being a Head Coach. Then to save face, within 1-2 weeks we decided to offer Sheens/Benji the contract over a 'lunch time' talk. A month later Ciraldo signs a Head Coach position with Bulldogs.

Every single person involved with this fiasco is still with us and will be for a while. The scapegoats of this season were Hartigan, Madge and to a lesser extent Noddy. Next year, no idea who that will be.
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This is why, I can’t understand why people would have faith in this club’s administration?
Your points are damning evidence that these people have no plan, they are reactionary in the extreme. It’s a day by day proposition..they think firefighting is management. I wish they would show some respect for the club and it’s stakeholders and tell us about their intentions.
 
magpies forever said:
I wouldnt say Hartigan was a scapegoat. There was something going on there, and his rivalry with Maguire had apparently reached an impasse. I believe they hardly talked to one another at the end. If I recall correctly there was some think in the media about a plane trip with the team and both of them there and it being obvious all was not well.

Maguire sacking vs Ciraldo potential signing. Yes that was not good but having said that in some ways the club was more honourable in sacking Maguire and then officially talking / offering Ciraldo the job. Results speak and Maguire just wasnt cutting it. Imagine the other way, backroom discussions and agreements with replacement (any replacement) before Maguire sacked. Imagine that leaks to media, how worse and less honourable does the club look with that? We cant win in either scenario.

Maybe the solution was leave him in to seasons end, but then again, maybe WT were spooked by the Warriors and Bulldogs sacking their coaches and cherry picking best available coaches- also Titans and Knights were wobbling on sacking theirs too. Dunno.

Im prepared to give the Sheens / Marshall / Farah plan time. No point in wishing otherwise or thinking it will fail without actually giving them time to succeed / fail. I hope ot works for the clubs sake, the fans and the players too.

Anyway, Im for Pascoe's contract not being renewed. Dont see he should be sacked. But I would like a bit more footy nous in the Boardroom itslef.
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We aren't too aware of the inner workings but from all reports, people were very glad on here that Hartigan was gone. He was being blamed and people were glad Sheens was here instead of him. Whether he deserved it or not, he was a scapegoat.

I completely agree with the "honourable" aspect of it. It was a Catch-22 situation. You can't fire someone without a good replacement and you can't approach a good replacement without firing someone. A better way to handle it would've been what Sharks did last year with Morris. Told him that we will hire someone else but happy for you to stay on til then. Gives Morris his dignity, allows us to be in the open market.
 
tig_prmz said:
We aren't too aware of the inner workings but from all reports, people were very glad on here that Hartigan was gone. He was being blamed and people were glad Sheens was here instead of him. Whether he deserved it or not, he was a scapegoat.

I completely agree with the "honourable" aspect of it. It was a Catch-22 situation. You can't fire someone without a good replacement and you can't approach a good replacement without firing someone. A better way to handle it would've been what Sharks did last year with Morris. Told him that we will hire someone else but happy for you to stay on til then. Gives Morris his dignity, allows us to be in the open market.
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Your comparison with the Sharks is a good one. Open , honest communication would be nice. We have far too many disgruntled ex’s, which is causing us grief.
 
tig_prmz said:
We aren't too aware of the inner workings but from all reports, people were very glad on here that Hartigan was gone. He was being blamed and people were glad Sheens was here instead of him. Whether he deserved it or not, he was a scapegoat.

I completely agree with the "honourable" aspect of it. It was a Catch-22 situation. You can't fire someone without a good replacement and you can't approach a good replacement without firing someone. A better way to handle it would've been what Sharks did last year with Morris. Told him that we will hire someone else but happy for you to stay on til then. Gives Morris his dignity, allows us to be in the open market.
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Said this from the start.

There was absolutely zero gain to be had by marching him on the spot given the way it all panned out.
 
tig_prmz said:
We aren't too aware of the inner workings but from all reports, people were very glad on here that Hartigan was gone. He was being blamed and people were glad Sheens was here instead of him. Whether he deserved it or not, he was a scapegoat.

I completely agree with the "honourable" aspect of it. It was a Catch-22 situation. You can't fire someone without a good replacement and you can't approach a good replacement without firing someone. A better way to handle it would've been what Sharks did last year with Morris. Told him that we will hire someone else but happy for you to stay on til then. Gives Morris his dignity, allows us to be in the open market.
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Like Pascoe when he began. Hartigan was inexperienced in the general manager of football role. He may of started to locate and approach a wide range of talented junior to come to the club but what we really needed and still need is someone who knows what a football organisation needs to perform at the elite level and to maintain that performance long term. Madge at the time was the only member who had hands on experience in that but his job was ensuring the first grade performs on a weekly basis. There wasn’t much the room to put focus on how to build and harness the squad, provide cover, prevent injuries, basically ensure the Wests Tigers are a professional football team.
I’m still yet to see anything that convinced me that we understand what it takes.
And it was meant to be replacing Hartigan with Sheens that ensured wed have a senior head of our football department putting in the ground work to rebuild the club and ensure its longevity. (Like Goulds 10 year plan at the Panthers.)
Instead this year was a mixture of hierarchal in fighting and finger pushing.
And next year we’ve resorted to Sheens leaving our post and once again putting all the focus on ensuring our first grade team is competitive again.
The quote from Lee in 2021 that we have thrown as much money as possible to ensure our football squad is successful is just one example of the absolute ignorance of our board and administration.
 
tig_prmz said:
We aren't too aware of the inner workings but from all reports, people were very glad on here that Hartigan was gone. He was being blamed and people were glad Sheens was here instead of him. Whether he deserved it or not, he was a scapegoat.

I completely agree with the "honourable" aspect of it. It was a Catch-22 situation. You can't fire someone without a good replacement and you can't approach a good replacement without firing someone. A better way to handle it would've been what Sharks did last year with Morris. Told him that we will hire someone else but happy for you to stay on til then. Gives Morris his dignity, allows us to be in the open market.
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Instead the club let the media do the dirty work and they finalised the deal with an abhorrent statement in the words of “Michael Magurie has been terminated as head coach effectively immediately.”

Your point that they were worried that other clubs may get the jump on them were true. Hence we wanted Ciraldo and lost to the Bulldogs. It was reactionary to ensure we could at least throw our hat in the ring.
Our powerbrokers must be extremely poor at reading a room it seems.

On the sharks, there is no doubt behind the scenes that Fitzgibbon was sounded out and at least it was understood that he would be interested prior to anything going public!
 
twentyforty said:
Your comparison with the Sharks is a good one. Open , honest communication would be nice. We have far too many disgruntled ex’s, which is causing us grief.
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There's way too many messy break ups isn't it? Some of them through no fault of our own- Woods, Teddy, Moses, Cleary, Aloiai, Matterson etc.. but look at how highly Hynes spoke of Melbourne in his speech and I can't even remember Tedesco mentioning us in any of his Brad Fittler, RPA, Dally M awards etc.

Hynes has more class than Teddy but I wonder what our club keeps doing to keep ticking people off
 
tig_prmz said:
There's way too many messy break ups isn't it? Some of them through no fault of our own- Woods, Teddy, Moses, Cleary, Aloiai, Matterson etc.. but look at how highly Hynes spoke of Melbourne in his speech and I can't even remember Tedesco mentioning us in any of his Brad Fittler, RPA, Dally M awards etc.

Hynes has more class than Teddy but I wonder what our club keeps doing to keep ticking people off
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Have you seen the way the management carries themselves?
 
PJ_ said:
Like the retarded cousin that comes for Xmas.
Just pat em on the head and walk away slowly, no eye contact..
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God, this forum is full of ignorant children. Go somewhere else and stop trashing our coach, board, ex-players and true WT's fans.
 
tig_prmz said:
I still can't get over the fact that we publicly went after Ciraldo and offerred him a 5 year deal in the media. We boasted about it, then we went and declared that Ciraldo rejected us because he's not interested in being a Head Coach. Then to save face, within 1-2 weeks we decided to offer Sheens/Benji the contract over a 'lunch time' talk. A month later Ciraldo signs a Head Coach position with Bulldogs.

Every single person involved with this fiasco is still with us and will be for a while. The scapegoats of this season were Hartigan, Madge and to a lesser extent Noddy. Next year, no idea who that will be.
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Take a bow for this post. Short, Sharp,Superb.
 
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twentyforty said:
They break our hearts TSP. Imagine what they’re doing to the players? They’re so far out of their depth.
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Well that’s right, it’s the continual inability of the board to accept their own shortcomings and to hold themselves accountable which is the most frightening thing of all.

Tim has left himself open to criticism because he’s pretty much turned himself into a hack for the board.

Like everything else they do, unless he can produce a miracle, they will throw him under the bus.

And their pride and belting on about his appointment…will end up in the bin like Madge and Harto.

Signing GTA who has never coached a game in his life, was a snow job of quite breathtaking proportions. A total sham and a massive deceit of every member, fan and sponsor.

The club is badly damaged and almost terminally injured and GTA has taken off to the usa for a holiday or TV show. It’s like he couldn’t care less.

The rest of us have to work about 12 months a year and are expected to pump $ into the club like there’s no tomorrow.

We make every other club feel better about themselves. We are pathetic.

The jersey gathers dust in the cupboard, a fine feast for hungry moths or silverfish.

The club is dying.

So far out of their depth…
 
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Dessie >>> Titans.

And we would have missed out on one of the best coaches in this man’s nrl

Spot the nrl coach:


Tried, tested and tough as
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Or

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GTA Mardi Gras Edition

Here’s our future head coach in action, hard at it, learning his trade.

Puhlease
 
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