Russian invasion of Ukraine

crazycat said:
The situation is far more complex then you make out above. Ofcourse you may want to spare those details.

One key detail is that Hong Kong protesters were often Christian converts and being spurned on by Westernized pastors. Yes they are hated.

The other key detail, many people in Hong Kong want to stay as a British colony and they knew that their freedom and way of life would be more restricted under Chinese rule. They also accept this with a resignation that this is their fate.

Every Taiwanese person I have spoken too hates the notion of China taken over. Calling them Chinese is a good way to get a punch in the face. Naturally some Taiwanese may disagree with this.
Taiwan was a bastion and settlement place where the loosing faction of the Chinese civil war came to settle. Many hate Communism because hey Mao and the communists won their war and they lost.

Clearly this has about Zero to do with Football. Yet sadly the people of Ukraine are now experiencing bullets and severe hardship because of this global situation. We have failed them, the west forced Ukraine to disarm it's nuclear weapons in exchange for protection and we are not living up to our side of the treaty (no idea if Australia signed).
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Dude I have my HK 3 stars
 
QAnon and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

Sad, but we must have compassion for the conned and try to help them, whilst simultaneously showing contempt for the conmen.

There has always been some manipulation by those with money and power, but this crap started to seep into the mainstream when the so called leader of the free world decided that there were to be "alternate facts" to begin his presidency, and look how far reality has fallen since that day.
 
TillLindemann said:
@Odessa I'm guessing by your name you're Ukrainian?
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No my wife is I had a business in Lviv then worked in Odessa absolutely love the place the people are so friendly helpful and have a great sense of humour and also worked in Kiev

The farm has been bomb house is gone family in Kiev the building next to my in-laws have been hit

Pro Russian surport has been recruited mostly kids to ransack shops and take the food

During the day they are door knocking apartments and marking them to be ransack at night people are scared they are using flash lights and signals to call other kids to come help now some of the kids are getting shot because they are doing this

It's a sh.t show it will only get worst
 
MAGPIES1963 said:
The Russian story is one of pure aggression @Tiger5150 and that is obviously what is being currently displayed by the Russian leaders.

While the Yankee one is about what we 'all'...well most of us want from our life. Tolerance, acceptance and a peaceful life generally. But eventually realising there may be a need to defend that way of life.
So where did this video comparison originate? and what genuine purpose does it have?
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To answer your question about origins of the videos, they are both genuine promotional videos
 
MAGPIES1963 said:
Please tell us where you got the 'reliable' information from that the Yanks have all these bio-labs in Ukraine as well as the 'reliable' info that J Trudeau froze the bank accounts of their workers.
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Trudeau has had a number of press conferences bragging about seizing the bank accounts of anyone who donated to the truckers gofundme
 
rihannafan1 said:
Thanks for the clear explanation. Would you be able to explain socialism to us?
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a something that never worked and will never work!
And that is due to economic reasons, see excellent paper called "economic calculator" by Mises and Hayek from 1930s,
basically no private property _> no market prices -> impossible to value projects, and because of that impossible to plan and decide how to divide limited resources
MAGPIES1963 said:
After a quick check of Google @trentrunciman I found somewhere between 4 million and 10 million native Ukranians were purposely starved to death by the Russian Govt in an officially recognised Genocide in the mid 1930's...just as bad as the Nazi's in the 2nd WW.
Anyone that chooses to believe anything that comes out of rahrah rasPutins mouth in the future had better think again.
Russia has produced a long line of rulers 'not' to be proud of.
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correct, started with Lenin, and completed by Stalin. Some sources site the figure of even as high as 80 millions.
People in the old USSR were celebrating German invasion, as they thought they were finally liberated from Bolshevism, there was mass voluntary movement to join Wehrmacht against Bolsheviks so much was their hate of the "worker's paradise" that quickly became the "farmers's hell"they hated. The situation changed when SS started with nazi Ubermensch politics, and when SS treated people the same as Bolsheviks (mass killings, konzentrationslager/gulags).
The denial of these facts shows either people's ignorance combined with unreasonable arrogance, or a pure agenda of denying the historical facts in the blind effort to defend Bolshevism at any cost.
 
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swag_tiger said:
If you know your tanks its not hard to tell the difference between Ukrainian and Russian.
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aybe we could ask old mate what was written on the bottom? Anyone that watched the video can see it was deliberate. The tank sped up. The longer version of true video, the tank backs over it again.

Anyone trying to justify that action in that video has lost the plot
 
And the people saying the tank swerved because it was being shot at. It's a tank bullets would have no affect a tank, you would need a RPG.
 
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the_third said:
and

look where the thread went. Im all for healthy discussion, but asking people for proof on an invasion is not really a debate. It's pathetic. Some of the people here cant handle this type of conversation
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It is usually the "conspiracy theory" people who get these threads shut down covid/anti-vax for example.I have little problem with people who have different opinions to me it is just that when those opinions are so blatently false it upsets most people.
 
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