stryker 69
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Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here
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Okay I’m not sure why you think this is useful or helpful. We were having what I thought was a mature, reasoned conversation. Apparently I was mistaken that you were capable of this. My mistake I guess.
Well that’s it right? He tries the intellectual path, gets stuck and reverts to stuff like that.
The government are bailing people out with no insurance due to these climate events. Along with this, they also have to commit defence forces to aid in clean up efforts and the like.
It is costing them, not making them money.
Moreover, the LNP are very much not interested in net zero targets or making substantial change to the status quo. They are constantly rabbiting on about renewables and substantial policy chane to meet net zero targets being a cost of living issue. Its not in their interest, or the interest of the lobbies that bankroll them, to do anything meaningful about climate change.
Synthetic refrigerants alone are an enormous contributor to climate change. I've had this argument on here before with another member. Apart from parroting lines from Alan Jones, he could not provide any sort of argument against what I was putting to him.
Most people have figured out by now that I'm reasonably left leaning on social issues and some economic issues as well, but I cannot stand the unions. I am sure they do good work here and there now, and I absolutely recognise that they were once a very important part of workplace relations in securing good work conditions like a 40 hour week, leave entitlements and the like, but they have done nothing in my industry and have been totally ineffectual aside from ensuring that awful tradesmen earn as much as the good ones.
When you really needed them no one was to be seen, but when your dues were not paid you could bet your arse they would know about it and when someone wanted grass roots support for climbing the ladder internally they would make themselves known.
For mine, unless you're a business owner, you should sign up to a union.
I've worked at plenty of places where the owners or management try their best to screw workers over through pressuring them into putting up with unsafe workplaces or policies/procedures that are blatantly illegal. Not everyone has the time to figure out if these breach the conditions of their award or FWA.
Unions aren't perfect, in my dealings, they are always able to offer some support and will often step in when things go really pear shaped.
I've successfully stuck up for myself in workplace disputes before but I'm still always a member of a union and encourage my co-workers to join up. Even if I don't need to call on the union for help, I'm happy that they're sticking up for worker rights or other people.
And I don't buy the assertion that unions are for political wannabes etc.
You only need to look as far as our PM and his history with taxpayer funded bodies with close proximity to politics (in his case, Tourism Australia) to see that ladder climbing happens across the political spectrum - just with different types of organisations.
I've worked at plenty of places where the owners or management try their best to screw workers over through pressuring them into putting up with unsafe workplaces or policies/procedures that are blatantly illegal. Not everyone has the time to figure out if these breach the conditions of their award or FWA.
Unions aren't perfect, in my dealings, they are always able to offer some support and will often step in when things go really pear shaped.
I've successfully stuck up for myself in workplace disputes before but I'm still always a member of a union and encourage my co-workers to join up. Even if I don't need to call on the union for help, I'm happy that they're sticking up for worker rights or other people.
And I don't buy the assertion that unions are for political wannabes etc.
You only need to look as far as our PM and his history with taxpayer funded bodies with close proximity to politics (in his case, Tourism Australia) to see that ladder climbing happens across the political spectrum - just with different types of organisations.
stryker 69
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As I’m talking about construction they are obviously the multinational developers.
Everyone has a unique experience with them. Mine was less than favourable, we even changed unions (we were in the AMWU and PTEU,) and they were just as useless. I was very pro-union upon starting an apprenticeship and firmly believed in the cause of unions.
As I said, I don't doubt they work for their members sometimes, they just never did for us when I was on the tools. I haven't been in a union for over 15 years and things have worked out well. Again, just my experience. If other people have positive experiences or want to join a union, I don't discourage them.
stryker 69
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100%.
When I was younger, we were forced to join them. You couldn’t get on big commercial sites without your card. The gates were manned by bikies in CFMEU gear. They stood over the workers and belted ten shades out of desenters.
Fast forward a couple of decades and not much has changed. The physical assaults have receded but the mentality remains. They’ll take your money, they’ll chase you for it. But as a toothless tiger, they do nothing for you except draw out negotiations for EBAs and big note themselves.
Yeah the beltings weren't an issue when I was a boy, the pestering and ostracising once I left wasn't full on either, but enough to be an annoyance. The rep got serious poo face when I told him I felt that they didn't do shit for us that warranted the fees I paid. The EBA draw outs were commonplace and for all the posturing and bluster they didn't do much but give you a pay rise slightly better than CPI, the difference probably less than what you were paying in union fees. The only winners were the useless guys who were earning the same as top tier tradesmen.
InBenjiWeTrust
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Sad to say the Unions (IMOE) are these days more about playing their politics than helping their members - even when their members were forced out of their jobs.🤢
Jedi_Tiger
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He was never a "forum leader" mate.
Are you thinking of @Cultured_Bogan ?
Are you thinking of @Cultured_Bogan ?
You're mistaken.
Forum leader is a new thing and only moderators have had that tag as of yet.
Didn't mean to interrupt your meaningless petty argument, just wanted to bring some clarification to the accusation.
Forum leader is a new thing and only moderators have had that tag as of yet.
Didn't mean to interrupt your meaningless petty argument, just wanted to bring some clarification to the accusation.
pawsandclaws1
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Good post Demps. The travel insurance is a great attraction. I often mention it to non-members and it results in a positive response.
People think it's just automatic... like we're all entitled to it.
Which is not true and hasn't been that way for some time...
I was unaware and obviously many others are to... pretty important thing to have.
I haven't used the unions services in my working career but it's good knowing they're there if you need em.
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