Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Cultured_Bogan]

We've used all of ours. Paid for my sons basketball and plenty went into the Easter show.

So you're contributing to the debt you say has to stop?

Well done.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Josh is in a lot of trouble in his electorate. 53 to 47 against right now.

remember 2019 the bookies paid out early on Shorten, it ain't over yet, don't necessarily believe the polls

 

[Tim Sheens]

This is partially true. It's a better way to discuss the issue as well without the hyperbole.

I agree that investing in infrastructure, development and training is important and it can lead to longer term benefits.

Austerity does work. It's worked exceptionally well in the past. I think it's required. It's about saving money for a rainy day. All the payments we had for the GFC were build off good economic management - i.e. having a surplus when times are good.

We've accumulated a lot of debt. You can't get around this issue. Debt is simply spending now and paying for it later. So someone suffers.

Maybe you didn't read most of my post. The economy was in structural deficit when the government changed in 2007, just as it is once again today and long into the future per projections. I will though admit my disgust that the incoming Rudd government did not repeal the last round of tax cuts that formed a lot of that debt.

Please don't bring up the future fund fantasy and that our relative thriving during the GFC had anything to do with either that or previous policy. It was achieved in a period bereft of infrastructure spending and as you will likely have seen posted by @Magpie_Magic earlier, gotten with one of the worst political decisions in our history by selling the bulk of our gold reserves, along with selling Telstra.

This government recently gave much more than that to businesses that didn't need it. Seeing Morrison announce giftng a further $85 million unaccountable dollars from our taxes to another major donor, this time from the Manildra Group on Monday, is another area where these savings need to come from.

 

[Mac]

I thought I was in a Liberal seat but apparently I'm in a key seat. I'm in Reid. I actually feel a little bad because the local member didn't vote for Morrison's religious discrimination laws.

The Labor candidate knocked on my door to get me to vote for her and I told her to go elsewhere because I was voting for her.

Wow! Real Tiger's country!

I'm no coalition fan, but I'm glad I don't live in Reid lol. We are at opposite ends of the field (you are starting a 7 tackle restart on your line 🙂 cause I'm glad Martin voted that way) but I think either Martin or Binai would be good.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I had a free lunch down the Bowlo my last Dine Voucher covered the Chicken Parmi..

Filling seats and bellys with good policy.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Exactly. This is also why I much prefer blanket payments or blanket decisions rather than the government trying to pick winners.

How is stopping people from starving or missing the rent when they could not work picking "winners?" They are literally picking those who lose out from government interference in their employment.

If you could continue to work without disruption or intereference to your ability to bring a weekly salary/wage home, you should be thankful that you weren't one of those who were stuck at home probably getting less via government assistance than they would have through their employment wondering how they were going to make ends meet.

Targeted spending is better than blanket spending, because you should only be spending the money where it needs to be spent. Why would or should the government compensate people whose employment wasn't affected by COVID? I worked through unaffected, I didn't expect to be compensated when I wasn't penalised by government mandates.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Albonomics will fix the economy
Souths = Good
Inflation = Bad

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

remember 2019 the bookies paid out early on Shorten, it ain't over yet, don't necessarily believe the polls

Only poll that matters is 21st May.

 

[Mac]

Maybe you didn't read most of my post. The economy was in structural deficit when the government changed in 2007, just as it is once again today and long into the future per projections. I will though admit my disgust that the incoming Rudd government did not repeal the last round of tax cuts that formed a lot of that debt.

Please don't bring up the future fund fantasy and that our relative thriving during the GFC had anything to do with either that or previous policy. It was achieved in a period bereft of infrastructure spending and as you will likely have seen posted by @Magpie_Magic earlier, gotten with one of the worst political decisions in our history by selling the bulk of our gold reserves, along with selling Telstra.

This government recently gave much more than that to businesses that didn't need it. Seeing Morrison announce giftng a further $85 million unaccountable dollars from our taxes to another major donor, this time from the Manildra Group on Monday, is another area where these savings need to come from.

Wasn't Manildra somehow connected with John Howard years ago when they got govt largesse? Some sort of insolvency protection? Boss of Manildra was related/connected to Howard in a subsidy for something like ethanol production? Might be mistaken - apologies if I am.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

remember 2019 the bookies paid out early on Shorten, it ain't over yet, don't necessarily believe the polls

I just watched him on tv, his body language didn't look great.😃

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Filling seats and bellys with good policy.

That debt has to stop (after I've spent my vouchers, of course.)

 

[Tim Sheens]

Yeah Scomo the other day said that low income earners should start a business so they aren't low income earners anymore bloke is so out of touch just wants to give his billionaire buddies tax breaks

To go with his other statement in recent weeks, and to paraphrase "if you cannot afford to pay rent, buy a house".

 

[Mac]

Ah, my memory isn't as bad as I thought it was 🙂

A disgrace of the old school

www.smh.com.au

Might need to go "incognito" to read it.

I can't believe the best ex-polly the Libs can bring out to back their case is Howard. The only two words I've got to say to that are "Stanley Bruce" - they should have their portraits hung up in a corridor to the Lib's toilets. Sitting side by side.

 

[Lee's fedora]

To go with his other statement in recent weeks, and to paraphrase "if you cannot afford to pay rent, buy a house".

Yeah scomos side people have pissed off everyone also he is done

 

[earl]

How is stopping people from starving or missing the rent when they could not work picking "winners?"

When did I say to stop paying social security ?

Anyway your argument is stupid. I've just said the money train has to stop. I haven't said don't pay people money during COVID.

I'm not responding to comments anymore when you aren't even replying to what I'm stating.

 

[Tim Sheens]

That debt has to stop (after I've spent my vouchers, of course.)

A lot of underprivileged kids have gotten to sit in a cinema seat or similar that they wouldn't have been able to otherwise, as well as an additional staff member or two on the counter at my local theatre that weren't there previously.

It also allowed them to reduce the general admission price, which in turn spins the wheels of the economy as it gets back up to speed. Only an anecdotal view of business' experience, but a great example nonetheless.

 

[earl]

is another area where these savings need to come from.

I see it as really simple. We need to get our spending down or increase our taxes. So we can agree that savings need to occur.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

We've used all of ours. Paid for my sons basketball and plenty went into the Easter show.

I had a free lunch down the Bowlo my last Dine Voucher covered the Chicken Parmi..

So no 1985 Dom Perignon?🙁

 

[earl]

So no 1985 Dom Perignon?🙁

I want more government payments because I deserve Dom.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Low income earners are: retail workers, aged care and support workers

Along with similar others, overwhelmingly the ones that kept us and the country ticking over during the pandemic prior to high vaccination rates.