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formerguest said:
Can you please expand on why you despise Penny Wong?

Anyone else with similar dislike for her please explain your reasoning also, as I am truly interested to know and I am pretty sure others are as well?
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I think it is her sarcastic and condescending style that I find abhorrent. Plenty like it, I don't. I'm not a fan of any professional that responds to questions, or asks them with an accompanying eye roll, the long breath in beforehand as if to say " why do I have to deal with these people".

I think she relies on her Asian appearance and sexuality as if it should gives her some special privileges and we should be nicer to her, but if it were mentioned out loud (even though she puts it out there) then you'd be labelled racist etc.

She is a lawyer (as many others are) and we all know 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.

Whatever cause she has championed, officially or unofficially, for me anyway (climate change, same sex marriage etc) and many I know, lose interest in that cause because she makes it about her not the cause. The way she shakes her head confusingly and smiles as if to say " I can't believe you people are so stupid as to want to question my view on climate change" type attitude.

There are many other politicians I dislike for a mixture of reasons, but you did ask.
 
pawsandclaws1 said:
What I really enjoyed listening to last night was Sophie Scamps speak of the abhorrent treatment Julia Gillard received as PM simply because she is female. It would be been outstanding had the Teal MPs been in Parliament at that time and called Abbott out for his disgusting treatment of a woman.
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Abbott was a disgusting politician and a complete bully conversely his wife is a terrific woman and has all the good charecteristics he lacks.His achievement of being kicked out by a safe liberal seat by a talented independent woman was ignored by his party despite her getting the vote that they believe they own.Fast forward 3 years and other liberals in the same sort of seats got exactly the same treatment.The Liberals need to quickly move away from the far right of politics,Dutton will only hasten their demise despite what the Murdoch media tells them.
 
Interesting result.
Us Aussies love an underdog and we can always find one when we need one.
According to Annabelle Crabb, Morrison lost out because of his inability to appease Australian women.
Not sure that I like where this is headed.
Very sad that this type of discrimination has entered the political debate.
 
tigertye said:
This is a bit left-field. But I was having a conversation the other day with a mate about politics. We both have different thoughts as everyone does…but after voting last week and seeing the amount of people who seemed to have no idea what they’re doing and speaking with a few people over the years….it really got me thinking about the old saying of not talking about religion, politics or money…

I’ve never seen so many people so absolutely clueless or uneducated about the people they vote for. Some just vote for who their parents vote for, others for whichever party has their favourite colour attached. It’s mental.

Question is…should politics become more of a talking point? Why are people scared to have an open opinion or get better educated on something that could have a pretty big affect on their lives. Are they scared of looking like an idiot? I think it’s pretty important that politics becomes a normal part of conversation in a respectful way and shouldn’t be looked at like one of those topics we shouldn’t talk about. Now probably more than ever.
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Ill argue the opposite.

People now seem more informed. Some, my god they have drank the cool aid, but they have drank it. Others, I have had people talk about all sorts of issues.

I believe that is why Independents and Greens are getting a higher vote along with the far right undecided between Palmer and Hanson (not far right, but cmon Palmer is just paying his way through).

IMHO Politics seems to feature around the clock on the news cycle. It is usually trivial garbage... <someone steps off a plane> Person travells here! etc. But occasionally you do see issues covered.

>> Question is…should politics become more of a talking point?
What I love are in depth articles. You get them so rarely now. The Guardian and the Conversation occasionally do good with this. You get a very in depth expose on an issue, say "The Bushfires" and they go into the causes, contrary beliefs on what happened, who was at fault and what could have been done differently.

The SMH did one on the Bulldogs implosion! if you have read that you know what I am talking about.

I would love the media for 1 month to talk nothing but 1 single issue:
Education
Health
Defense
Adult education/tafe
Unemployment
Housing prices (ok that's every month)
Prisons

Just a dedicated Lets talk about 1 issue and get people talking.

I also highly recommend the "$hitsville express" from Joe Hildebrand. He puts a Green, a Labor, A Conservative (LNP) and a Libertarian together for a road trip to discuss issues. The first issue, Alcohol addiction!
 
I just want to say Bravo Australia

Not for electing Lab over Lib, Not for electing Independents (but good on you)....

For Ignoring one of the biggest spending campaigns I have seen.

Anti-Vaxers have ignored a Billionaire parroting their "Freedom freedom freedom". Sure he had some support but was largely ignored. It seemed they either choose their own or just went away from Clive*. Either way, while I disagree with them I can respect them not leaping on the Billionaire bandwagon. Guy has Zero sincerity!

We saw 70 Million pushed in our faces. There may be one UAP senator in Victoria (far out, how does a guy with that rep sheet get preselected). Overall the message is clear:

Australia can't be brought!

Incredibly prominent campaign, signage was hopeless but the Radio adds IMHO were effective and ?

Nothing Nothing Nothing!

Man proud of my people. Millionaire in the states whimpers at people and gets a fan club. Millionaire here tries to buy us and gets nothing!


* I don't fully understand where the Anti-vax vote went. I suspect it went to Scomo/Hanson. Alternatively maybe 3-5% is the hardcore Anti-vax in the community??
 
pawsandclaws1 said:
Dutton would be remarkable selection as Opposition Leader. Remember who walked out of the apology to First Nations, joked about water lapping at Pacific nations’s doors, has done nothing but promote fear and division.
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Yet some liberal supporters are so divorced from reality that they see him as the solution and not the main problem (mainly from QLD )
 
Earl said:
I'm not looking at the situation from this perspective. I see them as positives because the ones I've heard talk are smart and educated. They are also campaigning on environmental and social issues including integrity that are relevant to us today. Here is the kicker they are doing it from the perspective of a more traditional right wing government - i.e. small government / lower taxes.

I want all governments to be moderate, socially and environmentally liberal but with an eye on the economy.

You vote left if you want increased taxes and more social services.

You vote right if you prefer lower taxes with a smaller government.
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Earl, I think you have fallen for the biggest con job in Australian politics that has been pulled in years. Yes, historically the coalition has been a competent economic manager.

In the last 20 years or more though, on virtually every economic metric Labor has outdone them. Debt as a % of GDP - Howard wins the gold medal at 23.4%.

The two highest taxing governments in the last 50 years have both been Liberal/coalition.

Since 2013 seasonally adjusted unemployment has averaged 5.7% compared with 5.1% during Rudd-Gillard-Rudd (the current sub 4% figure is largely impacted by reduced immigration and the pandemic).

Don’t fall for the spin.
 
Mac said:
Don’t fall for the spin.
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I agree with you. That post was about what I think government should be like. It's not like that though. I said I wasn't voting liberal due to two things. The first is poor economic management which can be seen with the massive debt. The second issue was the stupid religious discrimination bill.

The libs have lost their way.
 
Earl said:
I agree with you. That post was about what I think government should be like. It's not like that though. I said I wasn't voting liberal due to two things. The first is poor economic management which can be seen with the massive debt. The second issue was the stupid religious discrimination bill.

The libs have lost their way.
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In the same way that I was forgiving of Swan's debt during and after the GFC, I am also forgiving of Frydenberg for most of the debt incurred after the beginning of the pandemic (although jobkeeper should have been better targeted and regulated).

What I can't forgive is the almost doubling of debt before the pandemic with very little to show for it.
 
Does anyone watch Ozark?
The bloke on the right (Richard Marles) reminds me of Wendy Byrde’s dad. Particularly in S4.
Hopefully his nothing like him.
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This shouldn't be a surprise but the new Govt is investigating the arrival of a Sri Lankan asylum seeker boat on the morning of the election, the timing of its announcement and the Liberal Party's mass text messages to voters in marginal seats.

www.smh.com.au

As it happened: Anthony Albanese, Penny Wong in Japan for Quad meeting; Peter Dutton expected to become Liberal Party leader

The prime minister is holding high-level talks with international leaders today, Peter Dutton is all but certain to become opposition leader after a possible Liberal challenger confirmed he wouldn’t run and counting continues in a handful of seats.
www.smh.com.au www.smh.com.au
 
pawsandclaws1 said:
This shouldn't be a surprise but the new Govt is investigating the arrival of a Sri Lankan asylum seeker boat on the morning of the election, the timing of its announcement and the Liberal Party's mass text messages to voters in marginal seats.

www.smh.com.au

As it happened: Anthony Albanese, Penny Wong in Japan for Quad meeting; Peter Dutton expected to become Liberal Party leader

The prime minister is holding high-level talks with international leaders today, Peter Dutton is all but certain to become opposition leader after a possible Liberal challenger confirmed he wouldn’t run and counting continues in a handful of seats.
www.smh.com.au www.smh.com.au
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I got that annoying text
 
crazycat said:
I just want to say Bravo Australia

Not for electing Lab over Lib, Not for electing Independents (but good on you)....

For Ignoring one of the biggest spending campaigns I have seen.

Anti-Vaxers have ignored a Billionaire parroting their "Freedom freedom freedom". Sure he had some support but was largely ignored. It seemed they either choose their own or just went away from Clive*. Either way, while I disagree with them I can respect them not leaping on the Billionaire bandwagon. Guy has Zero sincerity!

We saw 70 Million pushed in our faces. There may be one UAP senator in Victoria (far out, how does a guy with that rep sheet get preselected). Overall the message is clear:

Australia can't be brought!

Incredibly prominent campaign, signage was hopeless but the Radio adds IMHO were effective and ?

Nothing Nothing Nothing!

Man proud of my people. Millionaire in the states whimpers at people and gets a fan club. Millionaire here tries to buy us and gets nothing!


* I don't fully understand where the Anti-vax vote went. I suspect it went to Scomo/Hanson. Alternatively maybe 3-5% is the hardcore Anti-vax in the community??
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There was a Informed Medical Opinion Party. My guess is where they had a candidate they would have generated a lot of the anti-vax vote.

He ought to be called to answer for the claim that Australia are "handing over" their health department to the WHO. What a load of alarmist bullshit that was.
 
Liberals will likely have Dutton and Jane Hume as Deputy leader
Albo is keeping on the national security team that Morrison had like Mr Shearer
It will be interesting to see how far the Greens push Labor on more climate change and reduced emissions.
 
pawsandclaws1 said:
This shouldn't be a surprise but the new Govt is investigating the arrival of a Sri Lankan asylum seeker boat on the morning of the election, the timing of its announcement and the Liberal Party's mass text messages to voters in marginal seats.

www.smh.com.au

As it happened: Anthony Albanese, Penny Wong in Japan for Quad meeting; Peter Dutton expected to become Liberal Party leader

The prime minister is holding high-level talks with international leaders today, Peter Dutton is all but certain to become opposition leader after a possible Liberal challenger confirmed he wouldn’t run and counting continues in a handful of seats.
www.smh.com.au www.smh.com.au
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Funny how these were "on waters" matters until the day of the election.
 
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