Michael Maguire leaves club

[supercoach]

We have gone from one review a year to two and nothing will change in the way of results. Till we can assemble a quality roster no coach will have success .

Our inability to attract quality players to the club is our major problem. The squad we have at present has over achieved to win three games and be competitive in most other games, but now the grind has set in it will probably get very ugly for the remainder of the year.

Personally I don’t want a new coach with a new three year plan with the same sub standard roster. Anyway never ever a dull moment in tigertown

 

[innsaneink]

For some perspective, this was one terrible half of football in what has been a pretty decent last 6/7 weeks, especially considering the injury circumstances.

We were due a lapse and if the forwards aim up, which they're more than capable of doing from what we've seen over the last 2 months, that entire game goes differently.

The line in the sand/halfway pass mark talk has blown things up and brought it to a head. This is a stupid public statement by the club in light of the situation.

You simply do not remove a coach when you've got 5 months until Nov 1 and you're looking at extending Laurie, Doueihi, Hastings and to a lesser extent, even Brooks, particularly in a players' market.

Once you sign the players you don't want touched, then you can move on the coach if needs be. But there are more variables to this than simply 'I've had enough'.

Timing, recruitment and retention implications, player morale, reputation, fan backlash, etc. are all considerations when this type of decision is being discussed.

What's the club statement?

 

[stryker 69]

Pascoe had objectively failed in all areas and aspects of the business other than finance

So he is doing his job then?

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

You make a few points in there that I agree with and a few that I disagree with.

Above all, my point was not to retain the coach, it was to give due consideration to all the compounding factors around what such a decision could lead to. This is not a simple decision, no matter how much anybody wants it be or feels it is.

I get your argument, I do. I just disagree with many of the ways you've interpreted how we're going that have lead you to your conclusion. That's not to say they're wrong, moreso that I view them a from a different perspective. Happy to go through some of those disagreements if needs be, but don't have the chance atm.

To your point of giving a new coach a run and that it's time for that, it may well be, it's a fair point, but then you enter into; who's available? why would they improve the situation? who's willing to even take the position? what other ramifications would that have?

Like all these things, I'm torn myself. Part of me feels a new coach would be a welcome change and another part of me feels as though there's merit to seeing Madge through.

And that's why this isn't a simple decision.

100% agree the pool/options to replace him is a struggle.

My biggest concern is the next few years will be about player development.

Madge over the last 4yrs has really struggled in this area. Our squad strength is the worst it has ever been and our younger players just haven't kicked on at all. The more senior players he has recruited have regressed for the most part as well. I'm just not seeing any significant player development in a positive direction which is a real worry.

I'm torn as I like Madge it's just that I'm not seeing the results even in development terms that are justifying him staying & we are at a real critical junction around roster management coming up that we need to commit to either Madge or someone new sooner rather than later to prevent the same old excuses. This squad is Madge's now and it's not a great one.

AD, Brooks, Hastings, Laurie if they stay will take up min $2.5m cap space = 25% between 4 players. We don't need all 3 & I don't think Laurie is a long term fullback either. We have over half the squad come off contract over the next 2yrs.

The club either needs to commit to Madge for long term or make a call now to allow the new coach to decide on player retention, recruitment, development for the future.

 

[Go_You_Good_Things]

We have gone from one review a year to two and nothing will change in the way of results. Till we can assemble a quality roster no coach will have success .

Our inability to attract quality players to the club is our major problem. The squad we have at present has over achieved to win three games and be competitive in most other games, but now the grind has set in it will probably get very ugly for the remainder of the year.

Personally I don’t want a new coach with a new three year plan with the same sub standard roster. Anyway never ever a dull moment in tigertown

I have bolded the important bits. We should listen to this guy, he is after all a supercoach.
Jokes aside, last season the general feeling seemed to be that we won't really do well with this roster in '22 . . . but things are looking up for '23. So we knew what was coming . . . so why is it surprising when it actually arrived ?
I don't know where it all went wrong, apart from some of us being impatient.
Think back to the re-builds and lost cause seasons.
Who are we going to appoint ?
And what makes you think he can turn our turd of a roster into top 8 finishers ?
The lack of depth and quality still exists no matter who is holding the clipboard.
So do injuries and shithouse attitudes from players.

 

[weststigerman]

We have gone from one review a year to two and nothing will change in the way of results. Till we can assemble a quality roster no coach will have success .

Our inability to attract quality players to the club is our major problem. The squad we have at present has over achieved to win three games and be competitive in most other games, but now the grind has set in it will probably get very ugly for the remainder of the year.

Personally I don’t want a new coach with a new three year plan with the same sub standard roster. Anyway never ever a dull moment in tigertown

Agree. Every coach comes here thinking they can fix us. They only realise how hard it is when they get here. Potter and JT were sacked and Ivan bailed. Maguire inherited the biggest mess of the 4 coaches.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Already been and had it lol

Pascoe had objectively failed in all areas and aspects of the business other than finance (this includes his well publicised promise to turn us into a destination club; nearly five years ago) and has a few diehard supporters.

His shortcomings were well documented but at present he’s not showing the knowledge required to successfully run a football club. Sheens may undermine my above point… at this stage though, the onus would be on you to prove he’s not liable or responsible in any way for performance. Can you do that?

Club is doing fine on all fronts apart from first grade football.
We were all little hippy shakers when he and the board appointed two very qualified coaches and ever growing support staff to get this football club forward.
You can’t make high profile players come on board if they don’t want to no matter how much dollars you throw at them.
He is not the target you should be aiming at.

 

[Demps]

Could - and has…

With the first grade team?
No one could do worse than Madge.

We're a bottom two team.

 

[Kelce68]

What's the club statement?

Not an official statement as such, but rather the information that we were set to have the review and Sheens publicly confirming it. Best this was done in house and away from scrutiny.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

We have gone from one review a year to two and nothing will change in the way of results. Till we can assemble a quality roster no coach will have success .

Our inability to attract quality players to the club is our major problem. The squad we have at present has over achieved to win three games and be competitive in most other games, but now the grind has set in it will probably get very ugly for the remainder of the year.

Personally I don’t want a new coach with a new three year plan with the same sub standard roster. Anyway never ever a dull moment in tigertown

When Sheens was appointed he did mention that the mid year reassessment was on agenda.
That time is now ….. and some hard decisions have to be made about our future junior pathways & top 30 squad retention and recruitment, the coaching structure and yes …Madge in particular.
Whatever is decided we can’t expect immediate results. We are not a big club but our support base and catchment is significant.
I believe we require couple of sugar daddies with deep pockets and uptown influence on board in addition to Brydens to assist with 3rd party contract agreements to get things moving on high profile recruitment side of things …. and believe Sheens is already on the job there.
Apart from that our COE and the current core group of good players are a good starting point .… but yes I’m afraid we are about to start again.

 

[Eternal Tiger]

You say that like it would be unusual for us to do something stupid.

Cheers to another 5 year rebuild number 4? 5? I’ve lost count

Madge has had a 4 year window to rebuild, how long does he need?

 

[Tiger_Fanatic3]

Got any evidence of that claim? I don’t think he’s ever said they “will make the finals” any year. In fact, I don’t think any coach anywhere has said that, all it does it put immense pressure on yourself.

Where have you been mate ?
It's been said all along.

https://www.facebook.com/WestsTigersSupportersClub/photos/a.1593703470672378/7579173658791966

 

[Telltails]

Madge has had a 4 year window to rebuild, how long does he need?

Rebuilding a club is not measured by the FG squad alone and is not just the responsiblity of the of the coach. Any coach who takes on this job will be faced by the same challenges in assembling a quality squad especially if he is trying to buy one.

 

[Eternal Tiger]

Rebuilding a club is not measured by the FG squad alone and is not just the responsiblity of the of the coach. Any coach who takes on this job will be faced by the same challenges in assembling a quality squad especially if he is trying to buy one.

And if it takes the next guy 4 years, I'll be asking the same question. Madge had a side that in 2019 was playing for a spot in the Finals on the last Sunday. They have since declined every Season, were now 15th. If we were slightly improving, I'd welcome his tenure being extended, but in my opinion it's a mistake.

 

[weststigerman]

Where have you been mate ?
It's been said all along.

https://www.facebook.com/WestsTigersSupportersClub/photos/a.1593703470672378/7579173658791966

*Playing for finals

He's been clearly misquoted there. Watch the post game press conference and you'll see.

 

[jirskyr]

*Playing for finals

He's been clearly misquoted there. Watch the post game press conference and you'll see.

Yeah he was asked "can Tigers still make the finals?". And he took a deep breath and said "yes".

I think he then went on to say "we have to believe that" and spoke about how getting some momentum of wins can turn a season around.

 

[Cobarcats]

Yeah he was asked "can Tigers still make the finals?". And he took a deep breath and said "yes".

I think he then went on to say "we have to believe that" and spoke about how getting some momentum of wins can turn a season around.

Other teams can crash and burn too.
I just hope a gentle breeze doesn't extinguish the flickering candle flame that continues to burn. 🙏

 

[jirskyr]

I've mentioned Morris who did get the Sharks to two final series. I'd accept that result at WTs right now. In any event, a second review in a few months indicates this is a planned event and hopefully there is a plan.

I'd be VERY interested to know if Bomber Morris is even interested in the Tigers job and/or has thrown his hat in the ring.

I mean I'd love to have Craig Bellamy come over and replace Madge, but it's not about hypotheticals, it's about people who are qualified and want to be Tigers coach.

It's all well and good to be volunteering people.

For what it's worth, I would accept Morris being brought in to replace Madge. I don't believe Sheens would, nor should he be given coaching oversight or seniority (which is something you have previously suggested).

I don't think there's any strong argument that John Morris will be a good long-term coach and a good fit for Tigers, but I also think he is one of the lower-risk options available. Just to be clear - they are all high risk options, but I think Morris is less "high risk" than someone like Flanagan, Paul Green, Barrett etc.

 

[weststigerman]

Yeah he was asked "can Tigers still make the finals?". And he took a deep breath and said "yes".

I think he then went on to say "we have to believe that" and spoke about how getting some momentum of wins can turn a season around.

Yep. He can't come out and say the season's over and we should forfeit.

 

[batboy]

With the first grade team?
No one could do worse than Madge.

We're a bottom two team.

Same amount of wins as the Titans coach with a squad including Origin players...
One less win than the Knights coach with a squad including Origin Players