Wests Tigers Coaches

[earl]

Noff and Musgrove are maybe on a million combined.

I don't see this as a problem. I think you are probably exaggerating Musgrove's salary as well.

Put it this way bringing this up as a problem shows how good our cap really is.

 

[stryker 69]

Asiatia James is pretty decent also.

Where does he play?

 

[tony soprano]

Some bored smart person must have done a study on it? I remember years ago a bloke telling me that head gear does nothing to stop concussions but I thought it was just tough guy pub talk.

Most the difficult medical stuff noone has a clue.

But I guess you see less head injuries with the blokes that wear them.

 

[tony soprano]

Where does he play?

Hectic prop

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

MT, I'm sure nobody was expecting a total transformation of the side after only a week.
BUT . . . nothing changed. Absolutely nothing has changed. Except for even worse discipline.
5 one out hitups and a midfield bomb.
We can't expect them to have come out and put on razzle dazzle that we've never seen before . . . BUT there should have been identifiable improvements. They are first grade players, ffs. Why do they need 6 months to remove "poorly coached tactics" from their heads ?
This effort didn't show why Madge is gone, this effort showed the real reason we are like this.
It's either the coach or the players.
You removed the coach, yet the result is identical.
The players are the same, and the result is identical. Do the sums.
While of course a new coach can't transform a team completely in a week . . . there certainly are parts that can be immediately improved. These are NRL players. How hard is it to change the way they do one or 2 little things during 2 training sessions ?
It's not like we are trying to mould C Grade park players into NRL stars.
As an example . . . . if you were a qualified chef and I had only 3 hours to teach you how to make my magnificent 50 step lasagne . . . I'd hope that you would be able to get large parts of the process down pat in 3 hours.
If you had zero kitchen experience, then you ain't understanding much.

"Whoever becomes the new coach is going to have an ordinary 12-18mths with us as the squad gets worse next year & they get the joy of being stuck with Nofa & Musgrove for another few years. " . . . . as for this comment, I thought most of us were saying that this year was going to be ordinary, and next had some promise ?
Anyway, it's the players more so than the coach.
Yesterday's efforts will be repeated time and time again, and sooner or later everyone will realise that it wasn't Madge. Or Mick. Or Noddy. Or the next poor bastard.
It's the players and their attitude.

They had what a total of 2 training sessions
Kimmorley hasn’t been apart of any of their training prior

As to nothing changed in the 1st 20-25mins or so our attack absolutely changed. The second we got an advantage we went wide with some depth & the back got the ball more in that 25min period than most games.

Lids also had his best game for us, surprise surprise he was running which is his strength and getting a few penalties in doing so.

Our kicking game also involved kicks on the ground which has been rare for a long time

But its one game lets see if those suttle changes become bigger ones as the weeks move on.

Kimmorley didn’t pick the side, has had little involvement with NSW Cup (which also played a different style) so lets see over the next few weeks if our selections, rotations and structures change.

Players train all off season and half the season set ways under set structures, this team has been doing it for a few years now. To expect that to be broken down and chucked out the window in 2 training sessions let alone over a few weeks is totally unreasonable.

 

[tony soprano]

I don't see this as a problem. I think you are probably exaggerating Musgrove's salary as well.

Put it this way bringing this up as a problem shows how good our cap really is.

You'd have to think musgrove isn't happy about madge.

Madge signed him on a long deal

 

[earl]

You'd have to think musgrove isn't happy about madge.

Madge signed him on a long deal

Who cares ? Seriously these guys are professional footy players. They were so undisciplined yesterday. Musgrove wasn't terrible.

I don't see any coach turning us around but some quality players would do the job.

 

[Viking Warrior]

I'm all for Robbie as assistant coach hearing him in the blue shirt during the Tigers doco showed he knows the game.
Noddy said him self Sheens will be a sounding board for him it is great the club are supporting Noddy and having Sheens to run things by would be a big help to him. Have to remember Kimorley is a rookie

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

On Ciraldo watch his post match presser (not just the small coach question one) the way he answered a few of the Qs indicates to me he is leaning towards a head coaching gig.

I would be very surprised if he is a Panther next year. He is also very analytical & speaks in a clear structural way. He sounded like he was ready.

Interesting were he says they have an attacking, defensive, transition assistant coach with Cleary over seeing. Wonder if CC comes here if that is a formation he uses as well.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Long live the boys club. All that was missing was Benji. Maybe his suit was at the dry cleaners.

 

[tony soprano]

Who cares ? Seriously these guys are professional footy players. They were so undisciplined yesterday. Musgrove wasn't terrible.

I don't see any coach turning us around but some quality players would do the job.

Just speculating bit thought madge was like a dad to musgrove. He's a big dude has to be between the ears for him

Quality is coming through the pathways

 

[Go_You_Good_Things]

They had what a total of 2 training sessions
Kimmorley hasn’t been apart of any of their training prior

As to nothing changed in the 1st 20-25mins or so our attack absolutely changed. The second we got an advantage we went wide with some depth & the back got the ball more in that 25min period than most games.

Lids also had his best game for us, surprise surprise he was running which is his strength and getting a few penalties in doing so.

Our kicking game also involved kicks on the ground which has been rare for a long time

But its one game lets see if those suttle changes become bigger ones as the weeks move on.

Kimmorley didn’t pick the side, has had little involvement with NSW Cup (which also played a different style) so lets see over the next few weeks if our selections, rotations and structures change.

Players train all off season and half the season set ways under set structures, this team has been doing it for a few years now. To expect that to be broken down and chucked out the window in 2 training sessions let alone over a few weeks is totally unreasonable.

I get that we can't transform in a week.
And I hold hope that somehow we can get better.
I agree that we did give the ball a bit more air, but the second half was simply rinse and repeat.
If we somehow did come out and blast Manly off the park, we'd all be listening to " see . . . Madge was useless. Noddy's been here 5 minutes and look at us go !"
Anyway, we both want the same end result. Let's hope we get there !

 

[GNR4LIFE]

They had what a total of 2 training sessions
Kimmorley hasn’t been apart of any of their training prior

As to nothing changed in the 1st 20-25mins or so our attack absolutely changed. The second we got an advantage we went wide with some depth & the back got the ball more in that 25min period than most games.

Lids also had his best game for us, surprise surprise he was running which is his strength and getting a few penalties in doing so.

Our kicking game also involved kicks on the ground which has been rare for a long time

But its one game lets see if those suttle changes become bigger ones as the weeks move on.

Kimmorley didn’t pick the side, has had little involvement with NSW Cup (which also played a different style) so lets see over the next few weeks if our selections, rotations and structures change.

Players train all off season and half the season set ways under set structures, this team has been doing it for a few years now. To expect that to be broken down and chucked out the window in 2 training sessions let alone over a few weeks is totally unreasonable.

Mate, things aren’t going to change with a magic wand. This side is puss no matter who coaches. We might jag a win this week against the competition cellar dwellers, but we’re stilll destined to finish bottom 4.

 

[tony soprano]

Surely the true intention of Gould's bizarre comments on madge has come to light now

He led us to believe his interested in madge and players would leave out of his desperation for Ciraldo.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Surely the true intention of Gould's bizarre comments on madge has come to light now

He led us to believe his interested in madge and players would leave out of his desperation for Ciraldo.

He was worried by the threat of WTs. Two COEs, Campbelltown/Macarthur and Balmain juniors doing well, possibly Ciraldo threatens the Dogs. The big kicker will be if Laundy switches to WTs.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Mate, things aren’t going to change with a magic wand. This side is puss no matter who coaches. We might jag a win this week against the competition cellar dwellers, but we’re stilll destined to finish bottom 4.

Agree - I expect to see some subtle changes in structure, options and team lists over the 12weeks. I don’t expect wholesale massive differences. Results wise we won’t win many if any, if we do I will be surprised.

I have said a few times whoever is our coach will need 2-3yrs just to structure the side until these so called pathways deliver & even then it will take some years after that to group them how we need.

There is no quick win to make us competitive, just hope we actually put a plan in place and see it out this time for a change.

 

[tony soprano]

He was worried by the threat of WTs. Two COEs, Campbelltown/Macarthur and Balmain juniors doing well, possibly Ciraldo threatens the Dogs. The big kicker will be if Laundy switches to WTs.

Can't believe how desperate he was.

 

[stryker 69]

They had what a total of 2 training sessions
Kimmorley hasn’t been apart of any of their training prior

As to nothing changed in the 1st 20-25mins or so our attack absolutely changed. The second we got an advantage we went wide with some depth & the back got the ball more in that 25min period than most games.

Lids also had his best game for us, surprise surprise he was running which is his strength and getting a few penalties in doing so.

Our kicking game also involved kicks on the ground which has been rare for a long time

But its one game lets see if those suttle changes become bigger ones as the weeks move on.

Kimmorley didn’t pick the side, has had little involvement with NSW Cup (which also played a different style) so lets see over the next few weeks if our selections, rotations and structures change.

Players train all off season and half the season set ways under set structures, this team has been doing it for a few years now. To expect that to be broken down and chucked out the window in 2 training sessions let alone over a few weeks is totally unreasonable.

No one expected changes so quickly.
We expected the squad to continue digging in and scrapping as they have done all year.
More than half the team looked disinterested at best. At worst, they could be accused of not having a go.
That is a result of Madge’s sacking, and that is a problem. It was noted during the week that Sheens has failed to read the room on the issue and that seems evident so far.

 

[Bob]

Some bored smart person must have done a study on it? I remember years ago a bloke telling me that head gear does nothing to stop concussions but I thought it was just tough guy pub talk.

I remember reading once that it doesn’t stop concussions because concussions are caused to disruption to neural pathways.

Head gear more protects the ears and prevents cuts and abrasions.

There is some rubbish about it actually causes more concussions because it gives players a false sense of security. (I think that one’s a bit of a stretch)

 

[tony soprano]

No one expected changes so quickly.
We expected the squad to continue digging in and scrapping as they have done all year.
More than half the team looked disinterested at best. At worst, they could be accused of not having a go.
That is a result of Madge’s sacking, and that is a problem. It was noted during the week that Sheens has failed to read the room on the issue and that seems evident so far.

I don't understand why they went ahead with madge selected team, unless it was just an observation week.

But would hope they already know what the issues are