Wests Tigers Coaches

momo_amp_medo said:
Good to see.
He is there for support if Noddy asks for it.
Guys first game as the NRL coach.
Sheens doesn’t need an invite to coaches box during these transition times.
Its not like Noddy is going to score the gig.
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Fair enough, I didn't know Noddy had asked for it.
 
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TSP said:
No point having a public war with Gus.

Remember he was /is a good personal friend of Madge.
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I read the alleged comment from Gus that Barrett would be at the Dogs as long as he is there (22 May).

It's just a reflection that coaching and also signing of players is dynamic and ever changing.
 
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TIGERPOWER said:
This is nothing but Gus pretty much admitting that CC won’t be coming to the bulldogs. This is also his second shot at trying to sabotage our bid for him. If I was Lee I would speak about this and maybe put him in his place.
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Gus is playing dirty pool…and not very subtly.
Lee seems a likely candidate to fight fire with fire. He needs to go on the attack against competitors if they truly want Ciraldo.
 
@pawsandclaws1 , I didn’t know what Matt Johns said about it.

I rate Matt as a good comedian, he was a fair player although his off field behaviour was pretty rancid.

Virtually none of the former players are especially of influence to me in any way.

A couple of exceptions, surprisingly, Chris Walker was quite analytical when he was on the ABC.

Jimmy Graham started well but is plunging fast into the celebrity vortex.
 
Cobarcats said:
I'm wondering what people's reactions are after seeing Tim Sheens standing behind Noddy in the coaches box during the Manly game.
I got the impression from Noddy's countenance that he felt uneasy having someone looking over his shoulder.
I too felt it gave the wrong vibe, a lack of confidence in Noddy.
I know it could be the total opposite but it's the feeling I'm getting.
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About time. Although didn't help much.
 
stryker 69 said:
Mate sitting back, being the nice guys is what’s contributed to 20 years of failure at this club.
Gus is sabotaging us publicly.
Step 1 is to flog Canterbury next weekend.
Step 2 is to mock them when we do so.
Step 3 sit back and watch that fat tub of pig shit hang himself in the media.
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Lee and Justin v Gus?

He will off to warriors if this thing keeps blowing up.

Or the knights….
 
bigsiro said:
How so? If you admit that it is always going to be a gamble then you take the bad with the good. We just have seemed to get stuck with some rotten contracts, but surely we can't shy away just because we have been burned before. That cannot be the mentality.
Every club will generally have a few guns and a few regrettable others on big contracts. It happens. Viva la revolution!
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Sure but we have a history of stuffing it and just recently we haven't done this. We've been smart and signed Api and Papalli.

Paying overs gave us Mbye, Josh Reynolds and Packer.
 
stryker 69 said:
Gus is playing dirty pool…and not very subtly.
Lee seems a likely candidate to fight fire with fire. He needs to go on the attack against competitors if they truly want Ciraldo.
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Yes agree.

Gould said last week he had no resumes on his desk regarding the vacant coaching position. But what he didn't state was had he made approaches to any coaches, which I am sure he had i.e CC.

Kinda similar when Ivan was coaching the Tigers and Gould said he could see Nathan being coached by his dad, what was missing was that Gould was already in the process of getting Ivan to leave and coach his son at Penrith.

The man will manipulate anything and anyone to get what he wants, so take what he says with a grain of salt and basically don't trust him.
 
Muffstar said:
Yes agree.

Gould said last week he had no resumes on his desk regarding the vacant coaching position. But what he didn't state was had he made approaches to any coaches, which I am sure he had i.e CC.

Kinda similar when Ivan was coaching the Tigers and Gould said he could see Nathan being coached by his dad, what was missing was that Gould was already in the process of getting Ivan to leave and coach his son at Penrith.

The man will manipulate anything and anyone to get what he wants, so take what he says with a grain of salt and basically don't trust him.
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Exactly. Good points as well.
Gus stating it’ll be near impossible to get CC from Penrith to me, sets Gus up beautifully to toot his own horn once Cameron signs with him.
We need to win this weekend and then point out that our young up and coming team, playing through injury riddled adversity has beaten the dogs twice this year. Imagine how we will lift with a full squad next year welcoming Api and Papa with money to spend on potential recruits such as Burton….
 
jirskyr said:
Obviously everyone has their opinion, but there is no specific indicator that Bulldogs are more likely to win in the near to longer future than Tigers.

OK Dogs blooded some kids, but so have Tigers - our squad average age is exactly the same as teh Dogs (25.5 years old). Stefano is 22, Junior Tupou 19, To'a 21, Simpkin 20, Madden, AJ and Laurie 22. You might even argue that Tigers are a bit more advanced than Dogs, because our younger players have had more game time - around a half to full season more game time than those Dogs players you mentioned (apart from Averillo they are all < 20 FG matches).

I recall a lot of folks last year saying that Bulldogs were already set for a much-improved 2022 based on their recruitment, and that has not transpired at all. So predictions of future "win chance" are equally murky.

Fair enough to state it's your personal prediction, but it cannot be used as an unequivocal argument for why a coach would choose Dogs over Tigers.
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Agree. My context was more if that's his focus & belief on the roster. Gus is a salesman afterall.

They do have bigger names than us already with a few more additions coming but if you look at teams like the Broncos and Cowboys the game isn't all about big names these days it's moving more into the youth/speed game with the bigger names adding experience into the mix within key roles (Reynolds/Townsend + Haas/JT etc). There is always the next big thing on the door step, that's the evolution of the game.

Bulldogs have shown exactly why it's bloody tough to buy your way out of things hence why the focus on Pathways/Development is absolutely the right focus.

IMO we are moving in the right direction and just need the right person with a club committing to the plan with that coach over the next 3-5yrs.
 
jirskyr said:
I think they've done that to some extent, but it takes years to pay off - Penrith are an example.

For example the CoE was an initiative in response to our antiquated facilities. You have to respect that it's a very big coup to secure that much government funding for a sports facility in the Inner West, and it moves Tigers from bottom to the top for quality of facilities of NRL clubs.

There was big investment in the pathways, particularly last year when Matt Betsey and Noddy were brought in.

The Football Operations budget was significantly increased, in a response to request from the coaching staff. I was informed some of this stemmed from the question "the players generally perform well at training, why is this not translating to performance on-field?" So additional funds were provided as requested, to support the players.

Then obviously Sheens brought in as Head of Football at the end of last year. Pascoe totally stepped away from media.

I'm pretty sure the assistant coach appointments for 2022 were not Madge's sole selection, so whilst he had input, the club ultimately made it's own decision. Similarly with recruitment, where Madge was involved but since Cleary Tigers have used a recruitment committee to ensure no single voice has total sway over roster decisions.

I am informed that these initiatives were introduced in parallel to ongoing work with Madge, in recognition that the coach is not the sole arbiter of success.

With quite a few of these strategies being new within 1-2 years, they need time to mature and provide dividends. I think they are a sound foundation and you don't have too many other big levers you can pull; one they pulled just now to sack the coach... but what remains is possibly ousting the CEO (up to the Board) or the Board itself (up to themselves, so never going to happen).
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Thanks that was a very interesting response and one I had not totally considered.
I agree that the coe and the footy budget are huge steps in the right direction and a definite positive for this administration. The coaching stuff is questionable imo.
But its hard to cop a new 5 year rebuild from the group that gave us the last 10-year rebuild if that makes sense.
 
TSP said:
This is my current view:

Ciraldo wouldn’t be visiting other clubs if he had his mind set on staying at Penrith. That’s a preposterous proposition.

Ivan really fekked him over with his infinite contract.

Head coach is the most prized job in the NRL.

If CC wants to tuck his head under Ivans blanket, then he’s not a fit and proper person to lead our club. Not the temperament we need.

Gus and the dogs must be very concerned about their chances for Gus’s story to come out.

I think they know they’ve blown it and we are in the box seat. If not, we should be.

We just need to chill and keep Lee out of the media loop.

Respect Cameron’s wishes as to when he said he’d get back to us. That could be a test.
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I respect that he is doing his due diligence.

Its harder at times to be patient

I hope we get him (Not sure 5 years)...
 
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