Isaiah Papali’i #265

He could say I'm going to honour my contract like api
It was only 3 days ago that he supposedly assured the WT that he would be coming but after fridays Warriors game he doesn't sound to be so assured?

The WT would not be too disturbed by this, it's him or those who could be creating this problem that should be very worried.

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By the Mole 3 days ago.

The Mole: Isaiah Papali'i assures Wests Tigers he will honour contract​

"We spoke to the player and he is fine - there is no way he is not coming," a Tigers source told Wide World of Sports.
"He is a man of his honour and he has signed a good contract with us - he is happy to be coming."
 
There are 2 separate issues
1. Legal - for a valid contract you need an offer, an acceptance of that offer and consideration meaning $ specified .if he signed contract and didn't honour it he is in breach of contract and liable for damages which might be difficult to put a figure on
2. Practical - If a contracted player is forced to play for team he is contracted to then all he has to do is play like shit and will get release
For this reason clubs need protection and NRL can ensure this by making players sit out season in this type of situation
 
Hopefully but hard to prove
Depends on the contract he signed.

Should be a clause for damages if he renegs.

He was a Madge fellow.

If I was Tim, I’d go out and see him and tell him everything that was said to him by Madge, every promise and all of that, was all Tim’s thoughts.

And if I was Tim I’d tell paps that Madge never wanted him, “ it was me Paps, it was always me”.

“ Madge lied to you then, and if you ring him, he will keep lying.”

“ I bet you didn’t know, Bea Arthur has many bad hidden fetishes ask Stefano”

Tell him anything, whatever it takes lads.

We’ve tried honesty with players, we are in the crafty sheens era now.
 
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Papalii is after a deal for his house mate Hayze Perham.

Just release Pauga and sign Hayze.
Move em over to C-town so they can remain house mates..

Hayze probably walks into our top 17 anyway.

Keep the man happy.
 
Yes, correct. We do. I don't know how you Luciano example applies? That was best for both parties.

You could argue brooks somewhat when newy tried to grab him.

But any other time someone wanted out of a contract, we've caved.
Luciano asked Tigers for a release at the time he signed with Nth QLD. Tigers said no and Luch said OK.

Then Tigers approached Cowboys many months later to see if a release was still desired.

There will be very many more examples of players who were refused a release.

What I think you are finding is not just an example of "caving in", but of particularly unscrupulous footballers making it near impossible for their incumbent to retain them.

For example Marty Taupau asked for an early release to Manly, because of the money he was being offered, and Tigers agreed, but he finished out the current season properly. So that's a reasonable arrangement between both parties. Blake Austin the same.

But Matterson, Moses and Aloiai forced their way out of the club. What are the management supposed to do in that case, where a player starts to ferment a toxic environment.

I will never forget or forgive Moses, the first one to do this against Tigers, and after being declined a release he basically threw the following match against Rabbits. My brother in law is a Rabbits man and he texted me during the game - "your boy is throwing this match". Go back and watch the highlights, anyone who needs to be reminded of that atrocity.

And then in that context, I cannot reasonably describe Tigers as "caving in" when the player made it impossible to reach an agreement, it was evident he'd already negotiated an agreement with Parramatta outside of his contract and the NRL rules, his uncle / manager had enormous sway as a player manager (since taken down), and the new coach didn't really prioritise retaining Moses anyway.
 
There are 2 separate issues
1. Legal - for a valid contract you need an offer, an acceptance of that offer and consideration meaning $ specified .if he signed contract and didn't honour it he is in breach of contract and liable for damages which might be difficult to put a figure on
2. Practical - If a contracted player is forced to play for team he is contracted to then all he has to do is play like shit and will get release
For this reason clubs need protection and NRL can ensure this by making players sit out season in this type of situation
#2 - well not exactly, he plays badly and you put him in reserve grade. You make him train every day on his own, and if he faults in any way (late to training, failure to train adequately etc) you give him a breach notice and withhold pay.

To get his money he would have to turn up to training every day, same as everyone else, for 3 years, and you grind him into the dirt for it.

I don't honestly think / guess that IP has that little honour that he would not do his best once he's at Tigers. I don't know the man of course.
 
Benji Marshall has revealed the context of his SOS call to star recruit Isaiah Papali’i, who is refusing to quell Wests Tigers’ fears that he wants out of his $1.9 million contract.

Meanwhile, Papali’i’s high-profile Eels teammate Mitchell Moses has admitted he hasn’t given up hope that the Kiwi International will remain in blue and gold.

As first revealed by The Daily Telegraph on Tuesday, Papali’i has cold feet about linking with the Tigers next year, with his priority to stay at Parramatta.

After a starring performance against the Warriors on Friday night, Papali’i had the chance to kill the issue.

But he didn’t.

“For me, I’m pretty focused on this season that I have here and what I can offer the Eels so I want to make sure that I finish this season strong, and I’ll worry about that when it comes to it,” Papali’i said.

“I have no comment on that stuff. It’s not my focus at the moment and I want to make sure that I put my best foot forward in the season that I have here.

“That’s playing week to week and worrying about my job.”

Papali’i was then asked if Tigers fans could relax knowing that he’d join the club in 2023.

“There’s nothing for me to say there and I just want to make sure that I can finish this season strong,” he said.

“Whatever happens, happens.”

The 23-year-old New Zealand international was quizzed on whether his bond with Marshall would be enough to sway him.

“He’s a good mate,” he said.

“Obviously I’ve been on some camps with him with the Kiwis. That’s all I have to say at the moment.”

As for Sheens taking over next year?

“That’s great for the club,” he said.

“Everyone was wondering who the coach would be, so knowing their plans going forward is something good for the club.”

The questions won’t go away for Papali’i until he gives definitive answers, so for now, he’s going into lockdown.

“I’ll keep my circle tight and make sure I’m performing week to week,” Papali’i said.

“I’ve got to stay away from social media because that’s the biggest thing that gets in your head for everyone. I’ve got to stay away from that, enjoy my footy and stay with my mates.”

Papali’i’s comments are of a different tone to what Marshall explained to The Sunday Telegraph.

Just hours after being appointed as the Wests Tigers long-term coach, Marshall was on the phone to Papali’i.

“Yeah, I called him,” Marshall said.

“I told him what was happening, I told him I was coaching. He said it was a breath of fresh air to hear that.”

Papali’i’s appetite to join the Tigers has been soured by the departure of axed Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire, who had coached the backrower for New Zealand.

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A key figure in Papali’i signing with the Wests Tigers was also former head of recruitment Adam Hartigan.

However, he has also been moved on from the last-placed club.

Papali’i has made it clear to his Parramatta teammates and coaching staff that he wants to stay in blue and gold.

It’s understood the Eels have salary cap space to retain the Kiwi International.

Interestingly, Moses also understood that there was a clear issue with Papali’i going to the Tigers when asked about his teammate’s predicament on Triple M on Saturday.

“Hopefully he stays with us,” Moses said.

“He’s a quality player. Where he has come from, the quality of stuff he does on the field, but off the field as well, he’s such a good person, which makes it even better.

“He’d be a big loss.’’

Asked if he had given up hope of keeping Papali’i, Moses replied: “Never. Hopefully he can stay.’’

Aware of their star recruit’s anxiety, the Wests Tigers recently took Papali’i on a guided tour of the club’s $75 million Centre of Excellence.

Tigers officials left the meeting confident Papali’i was committed to the club.

The Tigers are on firm legal ground to ensure the contract stands with Papali’i unable to tread down a path used by other disgruntled players in the past, who have broken a contract on the basis of compassionate grounds.

 
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