Wests Tigers Coaches

Cultured_Bogan said:
Listened to Sheens' interview on ABC Grandstand with Moore and Lewis, aside from stating the glaringly obvious that we don't have points in us, he has a worrying amount of blind faith in Marshall being able to take over from him after two years as an assistant coach. The two most recent graduates into NRL that I would consider successful, both Fitzgibbon and Payten, have done extensive apprenticeships leading in to their promotions. Unless Marshall is leaning toward being a man manager Bennettesque type coach and expects to have a roster that requires minimal coaching, he will be an abject failure I believe.
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I think he'll be as Bennettesque as they come.

But I agree, roster is everything. Modern coaching is essentially about having a capable squad and instilling self-belief in that squad. You can have one or the other, but without both, I think teams don't reach the heights. Tactics and structures are so ubiquitous and derivative that they're not a point of difference any more, but rather the execution of them, which is again, down to talent and/or self-belief.

Get some talent, keep 'em happy and confident and that goes a long way in the modern game.

I've got no doubt he can do the second. Question will be can he do the first.
 
Cultured_Bogan said:
Listened to Sheens' interview on ABC Grandstand with Moore and Lewis, aside from stating the glaringly obvious that we don't have points in us, he has a worrying amount of blind faith in Marshall being able to take over from him after two years as an assistant coach. The two most recent graduates into NRL that I would consider successful, both Fitzgibbon and Payten, have done extensive apprenticeships leading in to their promotions. Unless Marshall is leaning toward being a man manager Bennettesque type coach and expects to have a roster that requires minimal coaching, he will be an abject failure I believe.
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Good post.

If we are having to good faith compare one of the greatest rugby league coaches of all time to a person who has never uttered a “f&$k” in anger, we are in really deep.

And in all seriousness, it reflects the underlying problem with the club in that the task of success appears to be beyond the actual ability of the board and officialdom. Not being rude, this is entirely fact based.

It seems to be beyond their competency and they haven’t or refuse to recognise their shortcomings.

They line up for yet another stab in the dark, when they should concede and give others the opportunity to move us forward.

The players in this fiasco are wealthy enough, it’s about power and influence.

Rugby League Sri Lanka.
 
Cultured_Bogan said:
Listened to Sheens' interview on ABC Grandstand with Moore and Lewis, aside from stating the glaringly obvious that we don't have points in us, he has a worrying amount of blind faith in Marshall being able to take over from him after two years as an assistant coach. The two most recent graduates into NRL that I would consider successful, both Fitzgibbon and Payten, have done extensive apprenticeships leading in to their promotions. Unless Marshall is leaning toward being a man manager Bennettesque type coach and expects to have a roster that requires minimal coaching, he will be an abject failure I believe.
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I have the same feeling tbh.
The one hope I have to hang my hat on is that he's spent a lot of time under both Sheens and Bennett, two of the defining coaches of the last few decades. It'll be a hell of a learning curve for him, especially if/when we're struggling at the wrong end of the table again.
I do suspect he'll have some sway in attracting players though, so hopefully we've got some solid purchases alongside more developed in-house talent come 2025 when he's taking over.
 
Cultured_Bogan said:
Listened to Sheens' interview on ABC Grandstand with Moore and Lewis, aside from stating the glaringly obvious that we don't have points in us, he has a worrying amount of blind faith in Marshall being able to take over from him after two years as an assistant coach. The two most recent graduates into NRL that I would consider successful, both Fitzgibbon and Payten, have done extensive apprenticeships leading in to their promotions. Unless Marshall is leaning toward being a man manager Bennettesque type coach and expects to have a roster that requires minimal coaching, he will be an abject failure I believe.
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I didn't hear the interview but it is a huge concern if Sheens honestly believes that.
 
jadtiger said:
I didn't hear the interview but it is a huge concern if Sheens honestly believes that.
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It’s obvious he does. He wouldn’t be rolling with it if he didn’t. There was also an interview of his with Rothfield posted the other day where he was saying the exact same things it sounds like he was saying in that radio interview.
 
Considering we look so rudderless out there now, is there any reason why we persist with Kimmorley rather than give Sheens an extra few months to start the rebuild? Is there really a benefit to keeping an interim coach in there when his replacement is already at the club.
 
GarryOwen said:
I have the same feeling tbh.
The one hope I have to hang my hat on is that he's spent a lot of time under both Sheens and Bennett, two of the defining coaches of the last few decades. It'll be a hell of a learning curve for him, especially if/when we're struggling at the wrong end of the table again.
I do suspect he'll have some sway in attracting players though, so hopefully we've got some solid purchases alongside more developed in-house talent come 2025 when he's taking over.
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He might have some sway initially (I doubt it, but who knows), but If we’re losing, the appeal will soon disappear.
 
balmain boy said:
Considering we look so rudderless out there now, is there any reason why we persist with Kimmorley rather than give Sheens an extra few months to start the rebuild? Is there really a benefit to keeping an interim coach in there when his replacement is already at the club.
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Sheens doesn’t wanna be associated with this mess. At least he can move players on at the end of season and sign a few.
 
GarryOwen said:
I have the same feeling tbh.
The one hope I have to hang my hat on is that he's spent a lot of time under both Sheens and Bennett, two of the defining coaches of the last few decades. It'll be a hell of a learning curve for him, especially if/when we're struggling at the wrong end of the table again.
I do suspect he'll have some sway in attracting players though, so hopefully we've got some solid purchases alongside more developed in-house talent come 2025 when he's taking over.
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Bennett did say that Benji has been coaching for years and is a great student of the game etc.
Has always backed him but coaching a FG side under the scrutiny of media and fans is where the real test lies.
 
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GNR4LIFE said:
Sheens doesn’t wanna be associated with this mess. At least he can move players on at the end of season and sign a few.
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Yep. It's all about positioning himself to look good next year. Releasing Mikaele and Leilua and blooding youngsters is about going downhill this year in the hope to be in a better position for next year.
 
SeanT said:
Doesn't matter who the coach if we have rubbish players.

I haven't seen any improvement from any player apart from Offa to be honest.

Going to be interesting if we lose every game the rest of the year.
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I would go as far as to say, almost all players have regressed under Madge, Stef showed some promise after going in to origin camp last year, but it disappeared. Off the top of my head, Laurie, Toa, Kepoa, Brooks, Hastings, Liddle, Simpkin, Musgrave, Tuilagi, Lucy and Mikaele have all gone backwards, there are probably more
 
balmain boy said:
Considering we look so rudderless out there now, is there any reason why we persist with Kimmorley rather than give Sheens an extra few months to start the rebuild? Is there really a benefit to keeping an interim coach in there when his replacement is already at the club.
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Think sheens just planning for next year. Also 3 coaches in a season probably not best for the players.
 
GNR4LIFE said:
It’s obvious he does. He wouldn’t be rolling with it if he didn’t. There was also an interview of his with Rothfield posted the other day where he was saying the exact same things it sounds like he was saying in that radio interview.
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Let me put my tin foil hat on before I lay out this clearly left field potential theory. Could this entire thing be Tim Sheens evil plan to gain control of the club through gaining the trust of the board, CEO and any other “powerbrokers” to then make a series of decisions to drive the whole place into the ground as an up yours for his original sacking and subsequent legal battle. It would be the best case of revenge I’d ever seen. That’s a theory for the anti Sheensy’s to run with. I don’t usually partake in conspiracy theories but this coaching decision has thrown me and whilst Benji might end up being a good head coach, the whole thing is quite unbelievable.
 
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