WT Ownership, The Board & Senior Management - MEGA Thread
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tig_prmz
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I think this stuff up will go in the Hall Of Fame as the "Stuff Up that was the final nail in the coffin to the existence of Western Suburbs Magpies and Balmin Tigers in the NRL".
Stick a fork in the Tigers, I think they're done!
Stick a fork in the Tigers, I think they're done!
BlackWhiteGold
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Wasn't sure which discussion to post this in so thought Front Office stuff ups to to give them some suggestions to improve.
A couple of things have stood out to me from a member & fan communications perspective this past month ...
1 - Lack of information on who is signed to the Club on Top 30, Train & Trial, NSW Cup & Pathways (however these contracts are termed i.e. Flegg contract, Ball contract, Cubs contract, Pathways contract, Elite Development Squad contract).
2 - Where our Pathways/Cubs are playing outside of NSW Cup, JF, SG & HM. For example, if our juniors are playing on Sunday for Campbelltown East magpies in the Macarthur A grade.
What I would like our media/comms team to do is:
1 - Re-format the Players Profiles section on the website to break down which players are in which squad & some profile information on each. All this takes is a block of time in the pre-season to do this plus regularly update through the season as players are signed/depart etc.
2 - A news story on website each Friday to say these players will be lining up for Ryde Eastwood in the Ron Massey Cup, Camden Rams in the ..... etc etc. All this requires is communication between the Football/Development staff who know the movements of our Cubs & the Media team.
It's not that hard. I have worked in communications in national sporting organisations (including clubland for a rival football code) for 20+ years so I know how this can be done.
A couple of things have stood out to me from a member & fan communications perspective this past month ...
1 - Lack of information on who is signed to the Club on Top 30, Train & Trial, NSW Cup & Pathways (however these contracts are termed i.e. Flegg contract, Ball contract, Cubs contract, Pathways contract, Elite Development Squad contract).
2 - Where our Pathways/Cubs are playing outside of NSW Cup, JF, SG & HM. For example, if our juniors are playing on Sunday for Campbelltown East magpies in the Macarthur A grade.
What I would like our media/comms team to do is:
1 - Re-format the Players Profiles section on the website to break down which players are in which squad & some profile information on each. All this takes is a block of time in the pre-season to do this plus regularly update through the season as players are signed/depart etc.
2 - A news story on website each Friday to say these players will be lining up for Ryde Eastwood in the Ron Massey Cup, Camden Rams in the ..... etc etc. All this requires is communication between the Football/Development staff who know the movements of our Cubs & the Media team.
It's not that hard. I have worked in communications in national sporting organisations (including clubland for a rival football code) for 20+ years so I know how this can be done.
Some very positive suggestions,
This thread acts as some direct fan feedback.
Lots of areas to learn from past mistakes
Well the obvious subtext there is the board and pascoe wont do anything because they dont give a rats what the fans think (chatter), until it starts to show up on the bottom line.
balmain boy
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Time for a bump as this is still a massive ongoing issue for the club. The way the board operates is scandalous. Leaks every which way, board members like Lee over-stepping their marks into matters which don't involve them.
The amateur behaviour of our board and their complete lack of accountability is THE biggest issue WT face, everything else stems down from the top. Why isn't Pascoe scrutinised more? Because the people he reports to don't ask more questions. Why don't the board ask more of him? Because they're not accountable for their actions (or lack thereof).
Most Sydney based clubs who run under a league club model allow financial members (of 3 years) the right to vote for the board of the Football Club. (Eels, Sharks, Dragons, Penrith
This article is a few years old now but provides a decent summation of the different models the clubs in the NRL have in terms of the makeup of their board. Many clubs offer Leagues Club members the ability to vote for the football club board, other clubs charge an extra $30 for memberships if you want to have a vote which helps weed out those turncoats who call for change after every loss.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/th...-your-voice-can-be-heard-20150515-gh27o9.html
Souths actually have a very inventive and inclusive Member Co paid option, whereby you can't vote for the Football club board members appointed by the league club, but the members get 2 seats on the board via the Members Co (currently Nick Pappas has one of these). I really like this model as it gives members who desire to be involved in the nitty gritty levels of the club the ability to do so, without being swamped by the emotions of those without the business acumen to make sound decisions.
So the question is how do we enact change at WT? We've failed since our inception due to the lack of accountability of our Executive and their poor decision making. We need a groundswell of member support to say that their continued lack of performance can no longer be tolerated and nor can the continued lack of accountability to members. With the wheels of change coming through the club now is the perfect time to make some meaningful changes to our club. Winning the spoon is the perfect time to admit things aren't working and we need to look at how other clubs operate and manage change. The current business model simply doesn't work, and hasn't worked for decades.
I don't personally have a line to the club but I know the Ambush does to an extent. Maybe that's the first step? If Wests Ashfield are so afraid of being held accountable for their actions then they probably aren't the right people to be running this club. Other clubs allow members to have their say, that should be our right too. The board make us a laughing stock and we're supposed to just cop it on the chin? No more..!
Keen to hear others thoughts on this.
https://www.change.org/p/wests-ashfield-give-wests-tigers-members-the-right-to-vote-for-the-wt-board
The amateur behaviour of our board and their complete lack of accountability is THE biggest issue WT face, everything else stems down from the top. Why isn't Pascoe scrutinised more? Because the people he reports to don't ask more questions. Why don't the board ask more of him? Because they're not accountable for their actions (or lack thereof).
Most Sydney based clubs who run under a league club model allow financial members (of 3 years) the right to vote for the board of the Football Club. (Eels, Sharks, Dragons, Penrith
This article is a few years old now but provides a decent summation of the different models the clubs in the NRL have in terms of the makeup of their board. Many clubs offer Leagues Club members the ability to vote for the football club board, other clubs charge an extra $30 for memberships if you want to have a vote which helps weed out those turncoats who call for change after every loss.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/th...-your-voice-can-be-heard-20150515-gh27o9.html
Souths actually have a very inventive and inclusive Member Co paid option, whereby you can't vote for the Football club board members appointed by the league club, but the members get 2 seats on the board via the Members Co (currently Nick Pappas has one of these). I really like this model as it gives members who desire to be involved in the nitty gritty levels of the club the ability to do so, without being swamped by the emotions of those without the business acumen to make sound decisions.
So the question is how do we enact change at WT? We've failed since our inception due to the lack of accountability of our Executive and their poor decision making. We need a groundswell of member support to say that their continued lack of performance can no longer be tolerated and nor can the continued lack of accountability to members. With the wheels of change coming through the club now is the perfect time to make some meaningful changes to our club. Winning the spoon is the perfect time to admit things aren't working and we need to look at how other clubs operate and manage change. The current business model simply doesn't work, and hasn't worked for decades.
I don't personally have a line to the club but I know the Ambush does to an extent. Maybe that's the first step? If Wests Ashfield are so afraid of being held accountable for their actions then they probably aren't the right people to be running this club. Other clubs allow members to have their say, that should be our right too. The board make us a laughing stock and we're supposed to just cop it on the chin? No more..!
Keen to hear others thoughts on this.
https://www.change.org/p/wests-ashfield-give-wests-tigers-members-the-right-to-vote-for-the-wt-board
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balmain boy
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When has anyone asked them to change? How often do rulers abdicate voluntarily? If enough members demand change it will be very hard for them to say no given how poorly they've operated.
find it ludicrus that there is no way at them,even a long game.the door to them is via the clubs they are /should be elected from under Australian tax laws,fair governance etc.
They own the joint mate - they don’t serve us at all…. We’re customers
The title of the petition is spelt wrong…
Makes it even more invalid
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Bus 2 Terrigal
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Just to make it clear, the much maligned Wests Tigers Board is ever evolving. I read and hear supporters criticise “the Board” as if it’s the same group who were there when we last tasted semi final footy. Marina Go, Rosemary Sinclair, Mick Liubinskas, and Mike Bailey (deceased) have all departed in fairly recent times. And a load more have left over the past ten years.
While it‘s true that fans have no mechanism with which to vote off members, to suggest the Board are not accountable is wrong.
I also sense the frustration of the clubs continued on field struggle is manifesting an anti Wests narrative among some old Balmain supporters - who like to point the finger at Wests Ashfield for all of our modern day ills.
The Wests people have to fight with the Balmain people right?
- It's the only thing that stops them bickering amongst themselves.
Wests Ashfield have no interest in selling the Wests Tigers - Yet also have no interest in them succeeding.... I won't forget about 10 years ago, When WA and Balmain put 150k toward football operations each - And the Dogs had 4 mill contribution from their club.
I've seen Parras' numbers recently with as much as 8-9 mill from the club toward Football Operations.... Where's WA commitment to the their Football Club?
And why isn't it that much - They're more than happy to tell us how well they're doing...
Blokes wonder why we can't compete.
The Wests Group treat the Football club like the Sunday Races - Dress up with the missus and head out for a day on the Champers... Then do it all again next month.
It's a joke - An old Joke!!
You're right - We're not happy with our board - Never have been....
When you see the media publicly laughing at them, Maybe you'd have to think why?
They don't laugh at the blokes on the Roosters board...
There's blokes on that Board that are as clueless as you'll find....
Roosters board, Storm Board - All full of winners - Big time Winners from different fields
- Smart People...
WT's board is full of half baked fans or old players who stuck around long enough to worm their way into a job.
liltiger
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The nrl own the licence, Wests and Balmain through the joint venture are allowed to participate in the nrl through the licence, though the funding comes through Wests Ashfield, the nrl annual grant, sponsorship and membership money. Unless I'm wrong aren't we still owned by the nrl.
balmain boy
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Of course that's clear, but why shouldn't members have a say? We are the only Sydney based club run by a Leagues Club which doesn't allow members to have a say! And we're the most dysfunctional club in the league. Co-incidence? Most clubs give a certain group of members the right to vote, the other offers members 2 seats on the board!
The board are not accountable. Board members can't be challenged and removed from the WT board for making bad decisions and are free to do what they want for as long as they want. Why would anyone think this is acceptable?
When Parra or the Dogs were in a mess over the past decade a rival consortium could challenge the incumbent leadership for control of the board. Club legends or fresh blood who want a change in direction. All candidates pitch why members should vote for them and then democracy works and whomever gets the most votes gets the power to control the direction of the club.
Why can't we have this too?
This is nothing to do with Balmain v Wests. Please do not mention that in this thread. FYI I have also been a member of Wests Ashfield for several years.
balmain boy
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No, you're wrong.
The NRL does hold and issue the licenses for all NRL clubs, but they don't own any of them.
innsaneink
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We used to be able to vote for half the board... Join Balmain FC and after 3 years get a say on their board but NOT who's the WTrep (I think) .... Same for Wests...
Season ticket holders only
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liltiger
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So are we owned by wests Ashfield exclusively or do Balmain have a stake, pretty sure Wests Campbelltown cut they're contributions
tony soprano
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Pissing in the wind here.
jirskyr
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Your first two paragraphs are valid, but this last paragraph is unnecessary.
I have not seen anybody suggest any kind of anti-Wests or pro-Balmain action based on current affairs. The history of Wests Tigers is full of decisions supported by Balmain and Wests Ashfield and Wests Campbelltown, but Balmain no longer exists as a truly separate entity and Wests Campbelltown have reduced themselves to sponsorship-only involvement.
That means no matter your history, for the past several years and for the future, Wests Ashfield are the almost complete owners of Wests Tigers, and therefore they are in fact to blame for some proportion of the current ills. And even if you are a diehard Magpie lunatic it doesn't change the fact that Wests Ashfield are indeed calling the shots. The Balmain involvement is officially 10%, which in itself is a token gesture from Ashfield in recognition of the origin of the merger.
There's no narrative here, it's just the facts of who owns the club.
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