NRL admits bunker mistake

[Tiger_Fanatic3]

Wests dont get the points, Klein has a week off. How's that for justice?

A weak guttered dog statement released by a weak guttered dog person.

 

[Tigerdave]

Reasons why people are turning away from the game.

 

[innsaneink]

Hagipentillis needs to be asked did we get the audio transcript between ref and bunker...he stated publicly we wanted to obtain that....now no mention at all of it

 

[jirskyr]

Unfortunately and predictably, a backlash of comments against the club for not pursuing FRUITLESS litigation.

The Tigers even provide the special counsel advice - that there isn't a sufficient case to mount in court, and even if you won a case, Tigers are still second-last.

It would cost Tigers hundreds of thousands of dollars to pursue legal action. I wonder then if fans would still be upset if Tigers lost the court case, perhaps suggest that the lawyers hired were amateurs etc. etc.

Tigers have done the best we could hope for - extract a very public apology and a commitment to fix the rule that stole the match from us.

But no, all these fans in a hurry to burn the clubs limited funds on pointless legal action.

 

[stryker 69]

How hard is it for the NRL to retract a club licence?
Have we been threatened to back off?
Fanciful I know, but….

 

[jirskyr]

Tigers have no chance of winning in court, I don't know what legal precedent or argument you guys think Tigers could make.

A mis-application or misinterpretation of the rule book, i.e. a mistake, is not sufficient grounds for legal action resulting in an overturned result.

PVL is correct that if such a thing were true, the clubs would be in court every week to try and undo some injustice.

Let me just quote myself here - I warned to have low expectations about what legal action the Tigers could take.

Anyone who truly thought this was going to court, or that Tigers could win, was deluded, I'm sorry you wasted your energy.

 

[NT_Tiger]

How hard is it for the NRL to retract a club licence?
Have we been threatened to back off?
Fanciful I know, but….

Too much money at stake

 

[BAGNF05]

Let me just quote myself here - I warned to have low expectations about what legal action the Tigers could take.

Anyone who truly thought this was going to court, or that Tigers could win, was deluded, I'm sorry you wasted your energy.

Nobody actually thought that. We all knew Mr Gadget is nothing but a big mouth.

 

[jirskyr]

Nobody actually thought that. We all knew Mr Gadget is nothing but a big mouth.

Nobody thought Tigers would go to court? I must have substantially misread the large number of posts on the topic this afternoon.

 

[Dennisspicer1]

Weak as piss, but did we really expect anything different.

It should of all been about the tapes, it all looks so obvious that the NRL are hiding something.

Wouldn't surprise me if this gutless mob fold on the Papali'i contract as well.

I heard Papali on the 9news tnte, as far as I am Concerned tear his contract up, Parra have obviously updated there offer to him, he would be great to have, but not if his forced to play for us, he wont give his best to us, and the fact he has stated on the news, basically that we would have to wait for parra to finish their games this year before he decides what he is going to do.

Stay with parra, or come to WEST TIGERS.

AND THATS A LOAD OF CRAP.

 

[BAGNF05]

Nobody thought Tigers would go to court? I must have substantially misread the large number of posts on the topic this afternoon.

If you go back in my posts you will find a direct quote from me stating that Lee is all talk. Anyone who thought differently hasn’t followed his fumbling, bumbling stupidity as WT Chair. Needs to just pay his sponsorship and find someone with some actual power to run the club.

 

[TurnStyle]

Bunker Gate - in the original Watergate the president resigned rather than make the tapes public . Keep the points just play the tapes for all to hear

They be released after 50 years... Full of redactions!

 

[TurnStyle]

Let me just quote myself here - I warned to have low expectations about what legal action the Tigers could take.

Anyone who truly thought this was going to court, or that Tigers could win, was deluded, I'm sorry you wasted your energy.

I don't see being passionate about seeking justice as a waste of energy.

And as one of those who still does believe they would have had an extremely strong case, I don't appreciate being called delusional.

I hoped for the best possible outcome for the tigers and to maybe in the process give the nrl the comeuppance I believe they deserve.

I call that supporting the club; I always knew no court was the most likely outcome, but I don't immediately give up all hope and then feel satisfied with being right despite a bad outcome.

I'd rather be wrong with a good outcome.

You were right that it didn't go to court, but are you 100% sure your reasoning is why?

Where is the audio and what was on it? Why has it not been released, and why has it been conveniently omitted from the resolution statements from both parties?

If the content supported the nrl it would've been released and the matter solved 2 weeks ago.

Maybe this didn't go to court because it was the nrl who would've got their arse kicked and it led to revelations of deep seated corruption? Not saying this is likely, but no main piece of evidence revealed is questionable at the very least.

Maybe it could've been an unmitigated disaster for the nrl.

Until the authentic, original audio is released for public use there will always be questions and not you or anyone else not directly involved will be able to stop them.

 

[diedpretty]

Get real people - court action was never going to happen. As well as admitting that WT won the game except for a referee stuff up the NRL are also going to review the captains challenge and its application which also suggests they know it should never have been allowed.

 

[jirskyr]

If you go back in my posts you will find a direct quote from me stating that Lee is all talk. Anyone who thought differently hasn’t followed his fumbling, bumbling stupidity as WT Chair. Needs to just pay his sponsorship and find someone with some actual power to run the club.

I try to avoid going back through your posts.

But I am glad we are clear that anyone who thinks Tigers were actually going to end up in court was misguided. Not because Lee is a bumbler, because there's no case to be heard and it would be a waste of money.

There is no precedent for taking the NRL or NSWRL to court over a ref's decision. Not Nick Politis, not Phil Gould, not Harry Bath, Jack Gibson, Craig Bellamy or any other "powerful" rugby league person.

I doubt there are many cases worldwide, in any sport, where a ref's decision was overturned without evidence of fraud or malpractice. Even in the case of proven fraud (e.g. Hansie Cronje match-fixing, Melbourne Storm salary cap cheating) the actual results of the matches/seasons in question were not reversed.

 

[earl]

there's no case to be heard and it would be a waste of money.

There is the law and there are emotional people. It's best when dealing with the law not to listen to emotional people.

 

[jirskyr]

I don't see being passionate about seeking justice as a waste of energy.

And as one of those who still does believe they would have had an extremely strong case, I don't appreciate being called delusional.

I hoped for the best possible outcome for the tigers and to maybe in the process give the nrl the comeuppance I believe they deserve.

I call that supporting the club; I always knew no court was the most likely outcome, but I don't immediately give up all hope and then feel satisfied with being right despite a bad outcome.

I'd rather be wrong with a good outcome.

You were right that it didn't go to court, but are you 100% sure your reasoning is why?

Where is the audio and what was on it? Why has it not been released, and why has it been conveniently omitted from the resolution statements from both parties?

If the content supported the nrl it would've been released and the matter solved 2 weeks ago.

Maybe this didn't go to court because it was the nrl who would've got their arse kicked and it led to revelations of deep seated corruption? Not saying this is likely, but no main piece of evidence revealed is questionable at the very least.

Maybe it could've been an unmitigated disaster for the nrl.

Until the authentic, original audio is released for public use there will always be questions and not you or anyone else not directly involved will be able to stop them.

Passion for justice and actually expecting the club to go to court are two separate things. One is worthy of energy, one is not.

The NRL itself did not decide for the ref to make a mistake, they didn't do it on purpose. Same as a club is not primarily responsible for the dumb decisions of its players.

Yes I am pretty confident my reasoning - that there is no legitimate legal grounds to challenge the result - was why Tigers did not proceed. Lee H confirmed as much yesterday when Tigers released the statement of the special counsel's legal advice.

You would think - if Tigers had a case that was a decent chance of winning, would they not have gone to court? I don't believe Tigers decided against legal action solely on the terms of some "gentleman's agreement" with the NRL. I am pretty certain the NRL knew they had no case to answer, even if they didn't want to actually go to court to have to prove that, and waste everyone's time and money.

This audio clip thing - it's too much of a smoking gun for some people. I would not keep going on about it as some kind of hidden evidence.

There are no questions left - the refs were wrong, the NRL admits that, but they won't overturn on-field decisions. Unless you are suggesting that Klein and/or the main ref Butler were corruptly conspiring to rob the Tigers of a win - which is a very Trumpian conspiracy theory that you would never substantiate.

 

[jirskyr]

At the least they can make a new Jersey out of it or take a knee out of protest.

I still think Tigers should, if challenges remain available at fulltime, spend those challenges on fruitless / stupid challenges, to continue to ram home the point.

Challenge an obstruction in the final play, where there was no such thing.

 

[tigertragic]

Get real people - court action was never going to happen. As well as admitting that WT won the game except for a referee stuff up the NRL are also going to review the captains challenge and its application which also suggests they know it should never have been allowed.

Didn’t stop our chairman from beating his chest and suggesting otherwise 🙄

 

[TurnStyle]

I try to avoid going back through your posts.

But I am glad we are clear that anyone who thinks Tigers were actually going to end up in court was misguided. Not because Lee is a bumbler, because there's no case to be heard and it would be a waste of money.

There is no precedent for taking the NRL or NSWRL to court over a ref's decision. Not Nick Politis, not Phil Gould, not Harry Bath, Jack Gibson, Craig Bellamy or any other "powerful" rugby league person.

I doubt there are many cases worldwide, in any sport, where a ref's decision was overturned without evidence of fraud or malpractice. Even in the case of proven fraud (e.g. Hansie Cronje match-fixing, Melbourne Storm salary cap cheating) the actual results of the matches/seasons in question were not reversed.

I accepted not going to court was the most likely outcome, but did remain hopeful it would.

If I have a choice, can I be misguided rather than delusional?! 🤣

Again though, I don't see precedent as being relevant whatsoever. If this was essential for every case there would never have been a first case!

Anyway, this whole thing has really annoyed me and I'm glad it's over with. As I've said, I guess the best we could expect is the nrl practically admitting the tigers should have won, so there's at least that.