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WT2K said:
Looking forward to this one.

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Interesting. I liked Gotham.

We are watching Black Snow and Tulsa King. They are both okay.

Next up for the family (which is really wifey and the youngest kid) will be Vox Machina Season 2 and for my and the wifey Happy Valley. My expectations are that these are both going to be really good.

Happy Valley is quality but the first season of VM was really good. If you have young kids it mightn't be for you. We let our 12 yo watch it but I'm sure he doesn't get all the jokes.
 
If you like stories about human endeavour, search for excellence then this inspiring movie is for you. It centres around an aspiring Jazz drummer and a coach who tries every trick in the playbook to help him achieve his full potential.
“Whiplash”
 
twentyforty said:
If you like stories about human endeavour, search for excellence then this inspiring movie is for you. It centres around an aspiring Jazz drummer and a coach who tries every trick in the playbook to help him achieve his full potential.
“Whiplash”
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It’s funny how we see things differently. Some see it how you have described.

I saw it as a study in abuse and how it effects everyone.
The conductor was a clear psychopath, who enjoyed belittling and bullying his musicians. He was on a massive power trip.
One thing I think a lot miss about this film is that they think he was just picking on the drummer. Not true. The story is told from the drummers perspective but make no mistake, he was treating ALL the musicians like this. I reference the lack of eye contact from any of them, the run in with the “out of tune” wind musician at the start, and the suicide of the former student.

The drummer believes he is chasing excellence and as such, he absorbs and accepts the abuse, ridicule and punishment of the conductor. He sees it as being pushed to be better, but I think he is acting like all abuse victims, be they domestic or professional, who defend the actions of the abuser, stating their intentions are good. They rarely ever are….

The father recognises this early on and upset at watching his son destroy every other relationship around him to make the abuser happy, reports the conductor, convincing his son to provide witness testimony against him. This is exactly what a father tries to do when his child is in an abusive domestic relationship.

A lot of people see the ending of the film as a triumph for the drummer. He becomes great. Whilst I somewhat agree, and think it’s a superb ending full of tension and drama, I don’t see it as a victory for the drummer. For starters, the conductor tricks him and sets him up to fail in front of his peers - effectively destroying his career. He leaves the stage and his father consoles him, attempting to take him away and once again work on picking up the pieces. Unfortunately, the drummer returns to the stage, and for the rest of the film, impresses the conductor with a solo that only the greatest could achieve. He plays that solo for the conductor only and thoroughly ignores everyone else. A lot of people describe the look on his fathers face as he watches on as one of pride. I don’t. I think it was a look of absolute sheer horror and sadness. His son has returned to his abuser and judging by his smile, thinks he has gotten back into the abusers good books. The cycle will continue and as we all know, abusive relationships tend to end in tragedy, ala the former student who the conductor drove to suicide.

It’s a brilliant film, but harrowingly sad.
 
Tucker said:
It’s funny how we see things differently. Some see it how you have described.

I saw it as a study in abuse and how it effects everyone.
The conductor was a clear psychopath, who enjoyed belittling and bullying his musicians. He was on a massive power trip.
One thing I think a lot miss about this film is that they think he was just picking on the drummer. Not true. The story is told from the drummers perspective but make no mistake, he was treating ALL the musicians like this. I reference the lack of eye contact from any of them, the run in with the “out of tune” wind musician at the start, and the suicide of the former student.

The drummer believes he is chasing excellence and as such, he absorbs and accepts the abuse, ridicule and punishment of the conductor. He sees it as being pushed to be better, but I think he is acting like all abuse victims, be they domestic or professional, who defend the actions of the abuser, stating their intentions are good. They rarely ever are….

The father recognises this early on and upset at watching his son destroy every other relationship around him to make the abuser happy, reports the conductor, convincing his son to provide witness testimony against him. This is exactly what a father tries to do when his child is in an abusive domestic relationship.

A lot of people see the ending of the film as a triumph for the drummer. He becomes great. Whilst I somewhat agree, and think it’s a superb ending full of tension and drama, I don’t see it as a victory for the drummer. For starters, the conductor tricks him and sets him up to fail in front of his peers - effectively destroying his career. He leaves the stage and his father consoles him, attempting to take him away and once again work on picking up the pieces. Unfortunately, the drummer returns to the stage, and for the rest of the film, impresses the conductor with a solo that only the greatest could achieve. He plays that solo for the conductor only and thoroughly ignores everyone else. A lot of people describe the look on his fathers face as he watches on as one of pride. I don’t. I think it was a look of absolute sheer horror and sadness. His son has returned to his abuser and judging by his smile, thinks he has gotten back into the abusers good books. The cycle will continue and as we all know, abusive relationships tend to end in tragedy, ala the former student who the conductor drove to suicide.

It’s a brilliant film, but harrowingly sad.
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Are you channeling Bill Collins, very impressive synopsis of the movie? I thoroughly enjoyed the movie as did my son.
 
TopTiger said:
Are you channeling Bill Collins, very impressive synopsis of the movie? I thoroughly enjoyed the movie as did my son.
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Some stories just click with you eh?
My wife sees it along the lines of how twentyforty described it. She thinks it’s good.
If you watch it through the lens I described here, it goes up another level. I love it. Definitely a top 10 in any genre for me.
 
Tucker said:
It’s funny how we see things differently. Some see it how you have described.

I saw it as a study in abuse and how it effects everyone.
The conductor was a clear psychopath, who enjoyed belittling and bullying his musicians. He was on a massive power trip.
One thing I think a lot miss about this film is that they think he was just picking on the drummer. Not true. The story is told from the drummers perspective but make no mistake, he was treating ALL the musicians like this. I reference the lack of eye contact from any of them, the run in with the “out of tune” wind musician at the start, and the suicide of the former student.

The drummer believes he is chasing excellence and as such, he absorbs and accepts the abuse, ridicule and punishment of the conductor. He sees it as being pushed to be better, but I think he is acting like all abuse victims, be they domestic or professional, who defend the actions of the abuser, stating their intentions are good. They rarely ever are….

The father recognises this early on and upset at watching his son destroy every other relationship around him to make the abuser happy, reports the conductor, convincing his son to provide witness testimony against him. This is exactly what a father tries to do when his child is in an abusive domestic relationship.

A lot of people see the ending of the film as a triumph for the drummer. He becomes great. Whilst I somewhat agree, and think it’s a superb ending full of tension and drama, I don’t see it as a victory for the drummer. For starters, the conductor tricks him and sets him up to fail in front of his peers - effectively destroying his career. He leaves the stage and his father consoles him, attempting to take him away and once again work on picking up the pieces. Unfortunately, the drummer returns to the stage, and for the rest of the film, impresses the conductor with a solo that only the greatest could achieve. He plays that solo for the conductor only and thoroughly ignores everyone else. A lot of people describe the look on his fathers face as he watches on as one of pride. I don’t. I think it was a look of absolute sheer horror and sadness. His son has returned to his abuser and judging by his smile, thinks he has gotten back into the abusers good books. The cycle will continue and as we all know, abusive relationships tend to end in tragedy, ala the former student who the conductor drove to suicide.

It’s a brilliant film, but harrowingly sad.
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Tuck, I saw it exactly as you described it. I was being lazy, and not wanting to give too much away, with my description, but agree, the conductor was a sole destroying bastard. His manipulation of everyone in the band wasn't necessary but still, isn't it amazing what people can achieve when their life hangs in the balance?

When I turned up as a fill in coach many years ago for an under 16s team, one of the first things I asked them was what do you expect of me? Why are you here? What do you hope to achieve? And be sure about your answer, because I will train you accordingly.
 
Tucker said:
It’s funny how we see things differently. Some see it how you have described.
It’s a brilliant film, but harrowingly sad.
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A great description Tuck, maybe needed a spoiler alert at the start 🙂
Seriously though, I wish more members would do this because it can change people's minds into watching something that they have flicked past in the menu.
I'm forever doing this, but after reading this wonderful critique, I'm going to watch it now.
Well done. 👍
 
Cobarcats said:
A great description Tuck, maybe needed a spoiler alert at the start 🙂
Seriously though, I wish more members would do this because it can change people's minds into watching something that they have flicked past in the menu.
I'm forever doing this, but after reading this wonderful critique, I'm going to watch it now.
Well done. 👍
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😂 maybe I could have done more to sell it 😂
 
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