Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Tucker]

I doubt Sheens got us the spoon, the side was shot a long time ago. Judge the coaching in 6 mths..

It is disingenuous to state Sheens did not get us the spoon.
As the head honcho of the football department he sacked our entrenched coach, who had prepared the squad all off season, mid year. He then engaged in a highly publicised chase for Ciraldo which ended in tears, that I’m sure emboldened the entire squad to believe in the joint. This was further strengthened by his failure to find a suitable coach for the one he had sacked, so he took the job himself with a caveat that an uber extreme greenhorn would be prepared to take over from him in 2025. Whilst all of this was going on, he installed another greenhorn as our interim coach and not only provided little support, but he threw him to the wolves by letting healthy players walk out of their contracts and loaning others to rival clubs, during one of our worst injury hit seasons in history.

Not his fault my arse mate. He was the culprit.

 

[2041]

Have heard plenty of coaches talk up young blokes. Believe it when I see it.

That's fair enough coming from a fan, but it's pretty clear the only way the club is going to get out of this mess is to identify and prioritise talent early. That means no more losing players like Addo-Carr and Papenhuysen because their path to first grade is blocked by older players who are either no good or not going to hang around.

 

[old_man_tiger]

It is disingenuous to state Sheens did not get us the spoon.
As the head honcho of the football department he sacked our entrenched coach, who had prepared the squad all off season, mid year. He then engaged in a highly publicised chase for Ciraldo which ended in tears, that I’m sure emboldened the entire squad to believe in the joint. This was further strengthened by his failure to find a suitable coach for the one he had sacked, so he took the job himself with a caveat that an uber extreme greenhorn would be prepared to take over from him in 2025. Whilst all of this was going on, he installed another greenhorn as our interim coach and not only provided little support, but he threw him to the wolves by letting healthy players walk out of their contracts and loaning others to rival clubs, during one of our worst injury hit seasons in history.

Not his fault my arse mate. He was the culprit.

It's very easy to be painted as pro or anti this guy or that, I agree with you but I'll add 3 things:

1. Madge should have been fired end of 21
2. 3/4 weeks the squad at least tried under Madge, we may have got the spoon, but I really doubt we would have had 70 put on us which is the type of humiliation that honestly hurts just as much as just being the worst team in a given year.
3. I blame Sheens for most of what happened in 2012 and immediately after, it put us on a trajectory that didn't have a serious inflection until Cleary joined. I also agree with you that last year is his spoon. On this year - I hope he has a crazy professor moment or 2 and I've come around to supporting the coaching set up for now, because honestly if I don't try and be positive my fan status will be the next thing I revoke (already cancelled membership). I'm not trying to be dramatic, but this is the only time of the year we can be hopeful most seasons so I think I'll enjoy it while it lasts haha.

In short, If WT were my wife we'd be divorced for sure.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

tell that to the seven NRL clubs after him sweetheart

Clubs in race for 'brilliant' English young gun

'The guy has been unbelievable'

wwos.nine.com.au

they also thought Brooks was moving too...
Just a BS article no way St Helens will release Welsby

 

[Tiger-ferret]

It is disingenuous to state Sheens did not get us the spoon.
As the head honcho of the football department he sacked our entrenched coach, who had prepared the squad all off season, mid year. He then engaged in a highly publicised chase for Ciraldo which ended in tears, that I’m sure emboldened the entire squad to believe in the joint. This was further strengthened by his failure to find a suitable coach for the one he had sacked, so he took the job himself with a caveat that an uber extreme greenhorn would be prepared to take over from him in 2025. Whilst all of this was going on, he installed another greenhorn as our interim coach and not only provided little support, but he threw him to the wolves by letting healthy players walk out of their contracts and loaning others to rival clubs, during one of our worst injury hit seasons in history.

Not his fault my arse mate. He was the culprit.

Agree with you here. I can only think that Sheens thought “it was the spoon we had to have”

 

[Camel2281]

It is disingenuous to state Sheens did not get us the spoon.
As the head honcho of the football department he sacked our entrenched coach, who had prepared the squad all off season, mid year. He then engaged in a highly publicised chase for Ciraldo which ended in tears, that I’m sure emboldened the entire squad to believe in the joint. This was further strengthened by his failure to find a suitable coach for the one he had sacked, so he took the job himself with a caveat that an uber extreme greenhorn would be prepared to take over from him in 2025. Whilst all of this was going on, he installed another greenhorn as our interim coach and not only provided little support, but he threw him to the wolves by letting healthy players walk out of their contracts and loaning others to rival clubs, during one of our worst injury hit seasons in history.

Not his fault my arse mate. He was the culprit.

Madge built and prepared that team and they were dreadful before he got the boot. He was a terrible coach for the Tigers. 4 years of dross getting worse each year. Sheens played a role last season but it wasn't a major one

 

[hank37w]

Clubs in race for 'brilliant' English young gun

'The guy has been unbelievable'

wwos.nine.com.au

So will a few other clubs though... if Welsby is plan B then we would want to move quickly before Moses stalls longer before saying "No" to us.

Lock Welsby in while he is over here and just get him to stay on as an illegal.

Would be much easier than getting a visa like Bateman has been trying to do.

Part of the problem could be that Immigration are not sure whether he is John or Jason.

 

[Halbrowne61]

Agree with you here. I can only think that Sheens thought “it was the spoon we had to have”

Always good to step into a key new role when things at a very low ebb, even small improvements stand out.
We’ll improve this year, how much is very debatable based on a whole myriad of factors.
As I always say, only time will tell.

 

[balmain boy]

Isaac Moses waiting until we extend Brooks before pulling the rug from under us and getting Mitch to re-sign with Parra.

Told us we needed to strengthen our forward pack to have any chance of signing Mitch (Klemmer and Bateman, 2 x Moses’ clients) and extend Brooks (another Moses client) because that was the big draw card for Mitch to come here.

Moses 2 Wests Tigers 0.

If Brooks was to re-sign we'd invite him in with Moses to sign in person on the same day. That was it can all be managed, anyone pulls out and the meeting gets postponed.

 

[Tucker]

Madge built and prepared that team and they were dreadful before he got the boot. He was a terrible coach for the Tigers. 4 years of dross getting worse each year. Sheens played a role last season but it wasn't a major one

I’m no Madge fanatic, but had Sheens not interfered as he did last year, I doubt we come last and that is the point being made.

 

[innsaneink]

tell that to the seven NRL clubs after him sweetheart

Clubs in race for 'brilliant' English young gun

'The guy has been unbelievable'

wwos.nine.com.au

Several nrl clubs

 

[Tito Santana]

Lock Welsby in while he is over here and just get him to stay on as an illegal.

Would be much easier than getting a visa like Bateman has been trying to do.

Part of the problem could be that Immigration are not sure whether he is John or Jason.

Actually quite a good idea. He can sleep at mine.

 

[Harvey]

Easy fix….add a condition Moses will sign at the same time or Brooks’ contract can be terminated.

Give him the same document Addo-Carr signed. They don't appear to have any substance to them

 

[Harvey]

With Moses delaying his announcement... I am sure Sheens and Benji are not just sitting twiddling their thumbs waiting for an answer. They would be proactive approaching player managers and organising plan "B" through to plan "Z".
If he says "yes", then great! If he says "no", then I still have no doubt that come 24/25, we will still be excited by the massive improvements made of our roster... In "Shenji" we trust 🙂

Hopefully Wakeham & Will Smith were Y & Z

 

[jadtiger]

Hopefully Wakeham & Will Smith were Y & Z

Sadly they are starting to look like Plan A

 

[Stevec]

The way I see it Brooks with the new coaches and forward pack is going to turn into the great half we always hoped he would be or he won't. If he does we don't need ( or afford )
Moses . If Brooks is same old same old we should end his tenure mid season .
We offer Moses $1.3 mill pa for 5 years and Douehi has only been offered a ONEyear extension beyond this year ? Not sure this creates a happy camp
Of all the players still not signed for 2024 I would like Herbie Farnworth we need at least one class center

 

[sleeve]

I've said this before but we were 13th when Madge was sacked, and we finished 4 points below the second last team. Releasing Luciano, Mikaele, Nofa as well as moving Hastings from 7 all contributed to getting the spoon. If we were a possibility of getting the spoon with Maguire, we made certain of it with Sheens' decisions.

Anyway, my point was when you've run a distant last the previous year, it doesn't put you in a strong negotiating position.

It's like the ugliest guy chatting up the hottest girl at the bar. She won't bat an eyelid if you give her an ultimatum.

Nofa,going hurt no-one. Lucy was not happy after his brother got the axe, and wanted more dollar. Mikaele has been replaced by better. Hastings was a good footballer , but too slow for a half, i doubt he will be a half in any side next year. These players were moved on to create space for future quality players,which will happen.

 

[Demps]

Nofa,going hurt no-one. Lucy was not happy after his brother got the axe, and wanted more dollar. Mikaele has been replaced by better. Hastings was a good footballer , but too slow for a half, i doubt he will be a half in any side next year. These players were moved on to create space for future quality players,which will happen.

It's all business eh 👨🏻‍⚖️

 

[Spartan117]

I’m no Madge fanatic, but had Sheens not interfered as he did last year, I doubt we come last and that is the point being made.

Totally agree,
The Club gave up and then hobbled the the team in 2022.

 

[sleeve]

It's all business eh 👨🏻‍⚖️

Demps, the only people who really knows the full story is the club, and they are tight lipped. I think we kept players that i would have let go, just like many on here. As for the spoon, most clubs have had it, get over it , we deserved it. Yeah it's all business, and about time!