The new coaching experiment....

Nothing will change while we can’t sign players, retain our best youngsters or identify junior talent.

We got some good players over the off-season, but really need to improve the spine and outside backs.
 
If we're 0-8 I think Sheens will go. Whatever he's doing it's not connecting to the players. He's confusing their simple minds.
 
Looking ahead (yeah it's not too much better there either), is anyone else worried that we have Benji waiting in the wings as our next coach? Benji, who was a half during his playing career, and one of the most exciting attacking players certainly this club has ever seen.. But ironically our halves are currently the worst they have ever been, with an attacking structure to match.

Now I'm not sure what the exact coaching setup is - maybe Sheens is the one predominately calling the shots when it comes to attack, but I can't help thinking we're headed for more pain when Benji takes over.

You could at least say at this point that he is certainly not a natural coach. If he was, you would think he'd have had some sort of positive effect on our halves or our attack, which clearly isn't happening - it's the opposite.

There's that, and then you also need to ask, as Sheens' apprentice, how much could he actually develop under him when the coaching in general is looking this bad?
 
BAGNF05 said:
Benji’s legacy as a coach will depend on his ability to attract players who can improve our roster, which is still a bottom four squad.
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That may be, but it’s a much better rounded squad than last year, with no improvement, arguably going backwards. I’m also not 100% sure that Benji is a calling card for players to join. I still think the club as a whole (the opportunity the player has for their future) and of course remuneration have a greater impact. Could be wrong, hopefully Benji does have some influence in attracting quality players to the club.
 
TrueTiger said:
Like many on here I have been very dubious of Sheens coming back into this club after his somewhat diabolical exit many years ago...We are now suffering through a period of promises of better performances,a great recruitment drive and some promising youth coming into the NRL side..
What gets my attention and probably many others is the team has absolutely no cohesion,is error riddled,has no competent structure and can not convert field position into points hence we are 0/4...
Why can Sheens take over from Madge and then instate Marshall and Farah as his coaching team to take over in 2 years time as head coaching,when they have absolutely no coaching experience at NRL level ??
Sheens HAS BEEN a reasonable coach over the years BUT hasnt coached in the NRL for over 10 years..
Farah and Marshall were great players for the club and respected for that,but to put them into the coaching realm without any coaching experience of at least 5/6 years at any level is unbelievable to me...
I will also give this experiment time to manifest itself,however the club may be non existent of supporters,fans and members if it remains a losing formula and no wins are recorded soon...
I can recall the big statement Farah made that Potter cant coach,a man willing to try and get results and a positive outcome for the club only to be back stabbed by the person who is on the coaching team of an NRL standard team at this very time with a win rate of 0%,a mate he played in the 2005 GF with and a seasoned coach who hasnt had success in quite a long time...
Iam quite willing to state that therein lies the problem,great success to deliver us a premiership so many years ago,but in this point in time will deliver us another wooden spoon if they cant get this team of new hard working forwards,youth and some ordinary backs to combine and perform at NRL level...not all teams in the NRL have 17 topline players sometimes only some,but can get wins with great coaching,the thing that we are lacking atm.....
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Good post @TrueTiger 👍
 
Honkylips said:
Ive been saying for years that weird as it sounds 2005 has been more of a hindrance then help. The sooner this club rids itself from everything 2005 the sooner the club will improve.

I really thought we were on our way until we practically brought back everything from that era in one fell swoop. Sheens has no business being anywhere near this club after what transpired with his sacking all thise years ago. Marshall, Farah and co also need to p155 off. No experience whatsoever. To think people laugh at the Walker brothers situation as coaches. Look what we have to look forward to...

Brooks is here to stay in the No7 jersey whether we like it or not. Sheens is to blame along with Pascoe for this. He will never be dropped whilst contracted no matter how much we carry on about him. Our only way to be rid of him will be if he asks for a release. Sheens has done wrong by the club and wrong by Brooks keeping him here.

The talk about us not getting Bateman if Hastings stayed is garbage. You get both in a room to sort it out. If Bateman still declined then we let him go and move on. For too long we have let the players have too much say in this club. Look at the way Farah carried on in the twilight of his career. I wouldn't have let him step one foot back in the joint because of this alone.

2023 will be a disaster and then what?? Marshall is not and will never be the answer.

I usually end rants like this by saying that I hope I'm proven wrong. I can 100% assure you I won't be. If this club was your pet you would humanely put it down.
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G'day @Honkylips ...As you know you only put a pet down when there is no way it will get better.
Wests Tigers can and will get better, much better.

If our players respect Tim Sheens, they will listen and learn lots from him.
He's done well in the past and there is no reason why he cant do well again.

We probably wont make the eight this year, but I predict we at least wont win the spoon again.
We have a good forward pack now, and with the purchase of 2 or 3 quality backs in the near future,
We Will Get Better, Much Better.
 
TrueTiger said:
Like many on here I have been very dubious of Sheens coming back into this club after his somewhat diabolical exit many years ago...We are now suffering through a period of promises of better performances,a great recruitment drive and some promising youth coming into the NRL side..
What gets my attention and probably many others is the team has absolutely no cohesion,is error riddled,has no competent structure and can not convert field position into points hence we are 0/4...
Why can Sheens take over from Madge and then instate Marshall and Farah as his coaching team to take over in 2 years time as head coaching,when they have absolutely no coaching experience at NRL level ??
Sheens HAS BEEN a reasonable coach over the years BUT hasnt coached in the NRL for over 10 years..
Farah and Marshall were great players for the club and respected for that,but to put them into the coaching realm without any coaching experience of at least 5/6 years at any level is unbelievable to me...
I will also give this experiment time to manifest itself,however the club may be non existent of supporters,fans and members if it remains a losing formula and no wins are recorded soon...
I can recall the big statement Farah made that Potter cant coach,a man willing to try and get results and a positive outcome for the club only to be back stabbed by the person who is on the coaching team of an NRL standard team at this very time with a win rate of 0%,a mate he played in the 2005 GF with and a seasoned coach who hasnt had success in quite a long time...
Iam quite willing to state that therein lies the problem,great success to deliver us a premiership so many years ago,but in this point in time will deliver us another wooden spoon if they cant get this team of new hard working forwards,youth and some ordinary backs to combine and perform at NRL level...not all teams in the NRL have 17 topline players sometimes only some,but can get wins with great coaching,the thing that we are lacking atm.....
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Madge had plenty of coaching experience. He started last year 0-5 and contributed heavily to our first spoon. It's the players.
 
jadtiger said:
Agreed,it is very easy to blame a coach like we ALWAYS do but this side has more talent than any we have had in a decade.It is true the coaching is poor but the people who make the decisions are untouchable and that is where the major problem lies.
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Is it really true that the coaching is poor @jadtiger.

Tim Sheens has said in interviews that he wants our blokes to give things a go during the game, and I doubt he would ask them to do stuff he didn't believe they were capable of.
In the 'heat of battle' atm some of them may be making the wrong decisions at the wrong time.
Give em time to get used to their new way of playing.
That's my theory anyway 🤔 🙂.
 
Harvey said:
Nothing will change while we can’t sign players, retain our best youngsters or identify junior talent.

We got some good players over the off-season, but really need to improve the spine and outside backs.
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Yep and anyone with a brain knew this in the preseason. This is why I don't relaly understand the hysteria around our first 4 weeks. Our backline were a major reason we finished last. We have played exactly like a team with a horrible 1-7 and decent forwards. We were never going to come out and be able to score points because we couldn't last year either and nothing has changed in those positions. Our halves and backline are diabolical.
 
hammertime said:
I agree that we look horrendous. But the lads haven't played eyes-up footy for a long time and it's showing.

Madge had 3+ years. At least give Tim more than 4 rounds.
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Have you seen a block play or a player running a decoy? Andrew Webster at the warriors is looking like Wayne Bennett compared to these guys.
 
TIGERPOWER said:
Have you seen a block play or a player running a decoy? Andrew Webster at the warriors is looking like Wayne Bennett compared to these guys.
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100% agree - I cannot even tell you what we are trying to accomplish during a set apart from not dropping the ball.
We do not isolate or move defenders around, our halves do not engage the defenders and pass so far back that the defense just slides off and moves across to the player with the ball.
We lack creativity in our attack and lack of desire in our defense.
I do not have any faith in this coaching staff.

Andrew Webster, on the other hand, has made smart recruitment choices, playing a style that works towards his players strengths and his own coaching philosophy and also has the players bought into his vison for success. You can tell how much the players love playing for him and when they talk about him and what he has bought to the club.
Andrew has always been the type of coach that players want to play for throughout his coaching career.
Fun fact - Andrew was part of the coaching staff for both Justin Morgan and Richard Agar in England at the start of his coaching career. Both are now his assistant coaches.
 
No idea why they put Sheen's on for two years. Benji is going to lash with him etc.

I also dislike Benji running in the drills with the boys. As a soon to be head coach you need to seperate mateship for more of a boss figure. Just can't see the next 2 years working at all.
 
SeanT said:
No idea why they put Sheen's on for two years. Benji is going to lash with him etc.

I also dislike Benji running in the drills with the boys. As a soon to be head coach you need to seperate mateship for more of a boss figure. Just can't see the next 2 years working at all.
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Agree also with Benji running drills.
Either he cannot get his point across as a coach or he feels he has to prove something to the players.
Sure show the players how to complete the drill but to actually be in the drill the whole time doesn't make any sense.
I also think he was there as they didnt have enough play makers to do the said drills in pre-season. Wakeman arrived a couple of weeks before trials and Brooks was injured all pre-season.
Just another example of poor recruitment from Ronald McDonald and co.
 
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