Commemorative jersey

[Tiger-ferret]

I am a 35 year veteran and questioned the design when I first saw it; however, when the club stated that they had engaged with Army and mentioned Holsworthy, I was OK with it as I assumed that the images were of special forces soldiers using non standard equipment. Not the route I would have taken; however, I also assumed that it was approved by Defence PR.

ANZAC Day for a returned sailor, soldier or airman/women is personal. The personal emotion reflects their deployed experiences. Some experience loss, grief and detachment - others not so much. Soldiers don't expect the public to understand, nor do they seek recognition for their service or glorification of the events that they experienced. It is simply about a bond with fellow service personnel; both living and dead.

To find that WT have blatantly lied about this incident is, to me, beyond appalling. It may not be that way for you and that is OK. That is the right you have because of the sacrifice of others.

The ANZAC tradition is about loyalty, courage, sacrifice and mateship. Our CEO and Chairman have demonstrated by their actions that they seriously lack loyalty to the players, club and fans, moral courage and do not have the intestinal fortitude to make the hard right decision. They have demonstrated an ineptness in handling this matter that is beyond belief.

Will our CEO, Chairman or the board have the courage to do the right thing?

Firstly, thank you for your service.

Secondly, thank you for your post. Getting a POV from someone who this actually affects is important. As I’ve previously posted, both tigers and Kent could be telling the truth but the facts are probably somewhere in between and it’s all he said she said.

Don’t take this the wrong way, I believe tigers supporters and the general public are being gaslighted to generate interest/clicks for the weekend at the expense of the people and families who matter. Anzac Day was high jacked by big business years ago. I don’t agree with it.

The lack of leadership at tigers does not in anyway detract from your contribution to our great nation. I hope it doesn’t reduce your support for watching the tigers on field. If it has then shame on tigers. They need to do better.

 

[BAGNF05]

All it shows is that a graphic designer didn’t do his job properly.
Probably a kid.
Seems nobody, from the Defence Force (if that’s to be believed), the Tigers or the NRL thought to check they grabbed an Australian pic.
I would think this would have to be approved at a higher level than the club.

So you presume the club said to some kid, “just pick an army picture and whack it on the front”

Probably a safe assumption given it’s Wests Tigers. Not very respectful to the service men, women and animals though is it.

 

[hammertime]

while the selection of the image was a forgiveable offence, what has happened in the hours that have followed is not.

just a reminder:

- we released a statement effectively pointing the finger at Holsworthy and the ADF
- our players were sent out to explain the mistake
- 6:30 rolls around and it turns out Kent has made calls to the ADF who have claimed there was no involvement
- there has been complete and utter radio silence from our typically chirpy CEO and Chairman

I've defended Pascoe from time to time but this is deplorable. I can forgive onfield results and the performances of players, but this coupled with being on his phone at half time speaks to the character he is. he must go.

Well said. I'm in the same boat in defending JP at times. But the evidence is there that his commentary around "excellence as culture" doesn't extend to the front office.

There were the excuses for the game days mistakes on tigertown, the typo debacle with the COE, the Robbie Farah contract, sitting on the phone in the change room, and now this. Plus, I've had my own personal ones detailed before on the forum.

The culture starts at the top and I'm not seeing it. I'm seeing an insecure leader who can't accept responsibility and needs to assert his authority through ego trips like "ask the boss". If he can't accept his shortcomings, how can the playing group??

Pascoe needs to go.

 

[Pascoes_barber]

All it shows is that a graphic designer didn’t do his job properly.
Probably a kid.

That's not quite right.

The graphic designer (likely an outside contractor) can only create something based on what's been requested and then submit this for the customer (ie Wests Tigers) to approve/ask for re-work.

 

[Snoz]

The only positive that has come out of this is that the culture of mediocrity that permeates through this club has finally been recognised at the source.
For too many years the deflection, blaming, finger pointing and general lack of accountability has put us in the position we are currently in.
The teflon 'powers that be' have been able to squirm and weave past every controversy, mainly because they have been able to deflect accountability onto player performance, 5 year plans, a succession of coaches etc etc etc.
The excuse that we are financially strong does not cut it anymore - how are we financially stronger than any other club? Most NRL clubs have their front office and finances in order, and plenty of them still are better off than us.
Case in point - a merged entity has to work harder to obtain and maintain an identity, a culture, a vision. What do we do? We become the nomad club with 5 home grounds. This is unforgivable and has directly impacted team performance for years.
The jersey stuff up clearly indicates that the organisation has no accountability structures - a project starts at the ground level, then gets approved through a chain of leadership that are employed with greater levels of expertise to ensure things are done right. The same applies for all we do - coaching decisions, player selection and retention, home ground game experiences, etc.
How Leichhardt Oval is one of the most expensive grounds to watch a game blows my mind. Why is this so? Why were players sent to front the media to explain the club's mistake? Surely that's not in their contract? Who supports the players in these situations? Where is the RLPA?
Yes, the club made a mistake. Yes, it was highly disrespectful. If the stories are true and the Defence Force weren't consulted and someone lied, heads must roll.
I hope NRL 360 push this one for all it's worth.
We need a Shane Richardson type into the club ASAP. Also, the board must fall on its sword and acknowledge their lack of success in their roles.

 

[BAGNF05]

We'll said. I'm in the same boat in defending JP at times. But the evidence is building that the excellence he is preaching as culture, doesn't extend to front office.

There was the excuses on the game days mistakes on tigertown, the typo debacle with the coe, the Robbie Farah contract, sitting on the phone in the change room and now this. Plus, I've had my own personal ones detailed before on the forum.

The culture starts at the top and I'm not seeing it. I'm seeing an insecure leader who can't accept responsibility and needs to assert his authority through ego trips like "ask the boss". If he can't accept his shortcomings, how can the playing group??

Pascoe needs to go.

Good to see many people beginning to see the light.

 

[cktiger]

That's not quite right.

The graphic designer (likely an outside contractor) can only create something based on what's been requested and then submit this for the customer (ie Wests Tigers) to approve/ask for re-work.

I also said in the same post I would think it would have to be approved by someone at a higher level than the WestsTigers.

 

[ElleryHanley]

I am a 35 year veteran and questioned the design when I first saw it; however, when the club stated that they had engaged with Army and mentioned Holsworthy, I was OK with it as I assumed that the images were of special forces soldiers using non standard equipment. Not the route I would have taken; however, I also assumed that it was approved by Defence PR.

ANZAC Day for a returned sailor, soldier or airman/women is personal. The personal emotion reflects their deployed experiences. Some experience loss, grief and detachment - others not so much. Soldiers don't expect the public to understand, nor do they seek recognition for their service or glorification of the events that they experienced. It is simply about a bond with fellow service personnel; both living and dead.

To find that WT have blatantly lied about this incident is, to me, beyond appalling. It may not be that way for you and that is OK. That is the right you have because of the sacrifice of others.

The ANZAC tradition is about loyalty, courage, sacrifice and mateship. Our CEO and Chairman have demonstrated by their actions that they seriously lack loyalty to the players, club and fans, moral courage and do not have the intestinal fortitude to make the hard right decision. They have demonstrated an ineptness in handling this matter that is beyond belief.

Will our CEO, Chairman or the board have the courage to do the right thing?

Great post. Thanks for the input.

 

[The Ladies Man]

You wouldn’t put anything past these morons currently.
I wouldn’t be surprised if some brainiac at HQ has come up with the idea to have these special event rounds sponsored. I can picture them all excitedly locking in:
Rookwood Cemetry for ANZAC Round,
Centrelink for Indigenous Round,
Tesla for Retro Round and
Only Fans for Women in League Round.

Still chuckling at only fans women round 🤣

 

[The Ladies Man]

Now they're having a whinge that Bateman modelled it and he's a Pom.
We got to start winning ay🤣

 

[coivtny]

If all this comes out in the wash and it is proven that the club lied about discussing the jersey with the defence force, then someone has to go....fingers crossed it's Pascoe but unfortunately it will be some poor behind the scenes battler....
Fair dinkum this place gets more comical.

Mate, the first casualty should be where the buck stops and that’s the CEO.

 

[coivtny]

Well said. I'm in the same boat in defending JP at times. But the evidence is there that his commentary around "excellence as culture" doesn't extend to the front office.

There were the excuses for the game days mistakes on tigertown, the typo debacle with the COE, the Robbie Farah contract, sitting on the phone in the change room, and now this. Plus, I've had my own personal ones detailed before on the forum.

The culture starts at the top and I'm not seeing it. I'm seeing an insecure leader who can't accept responsibility and needs to assert his authority through ego trips like "ask the boss". If he can't accept his shortcomings, how can the playing group??

Pascoe needs to go.

Spot on mate. This bloke has done nothing to promote a positive culture since he’s been here. And that’s his bloody job.

 

[Tiger_Fanatic3]

I am a 35 year veteran and questioned the design when I first saw it; however, when the club stated that they had engaged with Army and mentioned Holsworthy, I was OK with it as I assumed that the images were of special forces soldiers using non standard equipment. Not the route I would have taken; however, I also assumed that it was approved by Defence PR.

ANZAC Day for a returned sailor, soldier or airman/women is personal. The personal emotion reflects their deployed experiences. Some experience loss, grief and detachment - others not so much. Soldiers don't expect the public to understand, nor do they seek recognition for their service or glorification of the events that they experienced. It is simply about a bond with fellow service personnel; both living and dead.

To find that WT have blatantly lied about this incident is, to me, beyond appalling. It may not be that way for you and that is OK. That is the right you have because of the sacrifice of others.

The ANZAC tradition is about loyalty, courage, sacrifice and mateship. Our CEO and Chairman have demonstrated by their actions that they seriously lack loyalty to the players, club and fans, moral courage and do not have the intestinal fortitude to make the hard right decision. They have demonstrated an ineptness in handling this matter that is beyond belief.

Will our CEO, Chairman or the board have the courage to do the right thing?

Good post
Well said

 

[Bula]

 

[Zulaid2019]

For those complaining about the term Commmemorative Jersey - Dragons among others are doing the exact same.

 

[tig_prmz]

You wouldn’t put anything past these morons currently.
I wouldn’t be surprised if some brainiac at HQ has come up with the idea to have these special event rounds sponsored. I can picture them all excitedly locking in:
Rookwood Cemetry for ANZAC Round,
Centrelink for Indigenous Round,
Tesla for Retro Round and
Only Fans for Women in League Round.

You're an idiot.

 

[OzLuke]

For those complaining about the term Commmemorative Jersey - Dragons among others are doing the exact same.

to be fair that jersey looks like someone coloured it in with a crayon

 

[hank37w]

Pretty sure this is the end for Pascoe.

Could be but I would not be too sure.

Would have thought he would get the bullet after his ban, fine and cap penalty but he's still here.

Wonder what this jersey fiasco will do to the fiscally responsible bottom line.

 

[hank37w]

Alex Twal as spokesperson. Also doubles as fifth tackle settler guy.

I though using Alex as spokesperson was just another one of our crash plays.

 

[hank37w]

Hope they get the pride jersey right. This is catastrophic. Unparalled. How did it get to this. On a positive note - it at least takes the focus away from the football. They can blame the Parramatta loss on the jersey. I mean - there is a silver lining to all this. Brought Manly to their knees.

But Manly were going ok before that, what does all this mean for Wests Tigers?