Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

Lukic said:
It's not a "Wests Tigers" problem that players come here and look worse and then our players leave and look better elsewhere.

It's a coaching problem.

Meaney always had bits about him that looked good at the Bulldogs. Plenty of speed and not a bad ballplayer from fullback. He wasn't consistent sure, but also clearly first grade quality. Another problem was his lack of size - he was simply too skinny to be effective, unless he made clean breaks he wouldn't bust a tackle. He's clearly been told to bulk up and is now being used in a way which utilises his speed and support play ability. Bellamy has changed what he wants out of his 1 with Meaney in there compared to Papenhuyzen who has a heavier ball playing load and is given more early ball with space.

That's what separates guys like Bennett and Bellamy. They identify the strengths and weaknesses in players and put them in situations where their strengths are magnified and weaknesses masked. They identify players who fit their system and where they get talented players who don't fit their system, do their best to accommodate them.

Cleary is a great coach too as much as it pains me to say it. Guys like Liam Martin and Dylan Edwards are average players. Nothing special physically and limited skillsets. But they are relentless, have great motors and a great work ethic. Cleary has identified that and given them roles in the team that mask their deficiencies and maximise their skills. Dylan Edwards can't break the line or pass very well, so trying to make him play like he's Trbojevic or Latrell would be stupid. What can he do well? Take a million hit-ups and get a quick play the ball whether it's the 1st minute or 79th minute. Why does Penrith dominate field position? Edwards makes 10m on 4th tackle, gets a quick play the ball and lets Nathan hoof it down field. Then guys like Liam Martin who offer effort in buckets lead the defensive line and compress opponents.

Look at the team he got to 9th in 2018. My god that was a miserable team. He's the one coach who managed to make Brooks look like a first grader (albeit a below average one, but nonetheless he looked like he belonged). Guys like Marsters, Naiqama, Fonua, Thompson, Rochow, Eisenhuth, Malakai Watene-Zelezniak, Godinet, McIlwrick. Some of those lineups read like NSW cup teams and yet he managed to extract every last bit of ability from these average players to have us finish 9th.

On the flip side, you have Sheens. Sheens will always try and meddle with players and force them to do what he wants.

Our halfback position is a great example: Morris at 7, Benji at 7, Farah at 7, Lui at 7, Brooks at 7. Two hookers and 3 5/8ths he's forced to play 7. Tim Moltzen, who we actually looked great with in that 2009-2011 period with at 7, is then forced to play 1. Hastings who is the best genuine 7 we've had since Scott Prince is forced out because Sheens thinks he's a lock. Makes no sense.

Isaiah Papali'i wins second rower of the year playing on the right edge? Let's move him to the left edge. John Bateman wins second rower of the year on the right edge? Let's try and turn him into a ball-playing lock. There's countless examples throughout his tenure of him taking what's not broken and breaking it.

In a salary cap competition, the path to sustained success comes from identifying value where others aren't able to see it. A player can be worth more or less to a team than their contracted value based on how they're utilised. If you continue to pay overs for talented players and misuse them, you'll never get anywhere. If you build a team around a core group of stars and a successful system then supplement it with underrated and undervalued players, you build dynasties like the Storm, Roosters and now Penrith.
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Well said, I couldn't explain it any better.
 
Mighty_Tiger said:
Red88_Tiger said:
If the tigers were to benefit signing the same time as storm is key. Had time in firsts and development at dogs. Was reasonably safe but not spectacular. All storm have done is polish the one percenters
Don’t recall being linked to him apart from when he was going to dogs
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Meaney isn’t as bad as some here put him as.
The kid has game but he doesn’t have another step up level as a match winner. He is a safe week to week fullback. I don’t think he is the right fit for us but if Staines moved on and the market is bare I would grab him because he would add some value over playing AD
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Let's forget about meaney anyway , seriously storm got him which obviously is what was needed to help him achieve. I think for the next 5yrs we need to recruit a new no. 9, 6 & 7 preferably men in their early twenties, how does the NSW CUP, SG BALL sides look? Any stars on the rise?
 
426Tlgerland said:
It’s a RUMOUR. So what if it’s not true , yes we all would like 100% spot on news and rumours but that won’t happen never gona happen , people need to relax a bit
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I couldn't care less either way. I didn't mind him, don't miss him either. But he didn't put this across as a rumour. He said he had been sacked. Of course he was gonna cop it when it didn't happen
 
1nOnlyJoey said:
Let's forget about meaney anyway , seriously storm got him which obviously is what was needed to help him achieve. I think for the next 5yrs we need to recruit a new no. 9, 6 & 7 preferably men in their early twenties, how does the NSW CUP, SG BALL sides look? Any stars on the rise?
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Do we need to get a new 9?
Jake had huge raps in QLD and has Robbie/Api around him. He has stepped up as he is a more attacking style player. He is still one of the youngest hookers in the NRL. I have faith in him.

The other positions agree.
 
gallagher said:
When you say the CEO has got the arse and will be gone this afternoon then it doesn't come true your gonna cop some shit over it.
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Like that's the only time he copped shit on here from people?!

He's better off not being on here. Misery loves company and there are some really negative people on here. Those people are quiet when Pom or anyone is right but loud when he's not.
 
diedpretty said:
Yea you are wrong - according to NRL stats he has 1 try assist, 3 linebreaks and 5 tackle breaks and has 85 post contact metres and has run for 629 mtrs over 5 games. The messiah Jackson Hastings on the other hand has had 1 try assist, 0 linebreaks and 2 tackle breaks 34 post contact mtrs and run for 402 mtrs.
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Yeah ... but he's dragged his team to 5 points and we're on a duck egg.
 
rihannafan1 said:
Like that's the only time he copped shit on here from people?!

He's better off not being on here. Misery loves company and there are some really negative people on here. Those people are quiet when Pom or anyone is right but loud when he's not.
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Oh well, as long as he's happy.
 
Roar_Power said:
Completely agree, the coaching as far as I am concerned is atrocious. Sheens way past his use by date.
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It is clear as day that players are still unsure of how we want to attack and defend. That is coaching. You don't leak that many points nor score them if you have clear, simple systems in place.

It is early but I am really questioning the adequacy of the attacking drills we must be doing at training.
 
rihannafan1 said:
It is clear as day that players are still unsure of how we want to attack and defend. That is coaching. You don't leak that many points nor score them if you have clear, simple systems in place.

It is early but I am really questioning the adequacy of the attacking drills we must be doing at training.
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Sheens will adjust his thinking a little so that we will do 205 passes at training.Problem solved
 
Roar_Power said:
Where did this Trindall talk come from? I can't see any reason why the Sharks would want that swap deal.
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I don't think they would be keen for that deal either. However I can see why they would want a player like Laurie, at least for this season.

They released Miller (back up fullback) to the Knights as they had Dykes who can play fullback and 5/8. He is now injured for the rest of the year.

Laurie could be a back up half, 5/8 and fullback for the sharks and likely Tigers would chip in salary for this year.

Likely deal breaker for Sharks would be that we are asking for Trindall in return.
 
Masterton said:
Roar_Power said:
Where did this Trindall talk come from? I can't see any reason why the Sharks would want that swap deal.
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Hard to see how Sharks would benefit
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The Sharks would not benefit...except freeing cap space.

But it would be a case of them deciding to do the right thing for Trindall.

He is on back up money and stuck behind Hynes.

Kade Dykes is their long term 6.

I.e. there is no spot for him.

They could force him to stay and have great depth (well within their rights as he extended) OR his manager could go to them and say "he can start at the Tigers and double his deal".

Some clubs won't stand in the way of a back up who can get a much better offer elsewhere and a starting spot.
 
Mighty_Tiger said:
Do we need to get a new 9?
Jake had huge raps in QLD and has Robbie/Api around him. He has stepped up as he is a more attacking style player. He is still one of the youngest hookers in the NRL. I have faith in him.

The other positions agree.
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Jake has improved heaps this year, I wouldn't be surprised to see the broncos have a go at him after November seeing as he's from qld. I have no doubt he'll turn out to be a really good player as he matures.
 
We should approach the Sharks to loan Trindall for the rest of the year .. put a clause in the contract where they can have him back if Hynes / Moylan cops a long term injury
 
1nOnlyJoey said:
Let's forget about meaney anyway , seriously storm got him which obviously is what was needed to help him achieve. I think for the next 5yrs we need to recruit a new no. 9, 6 & 7 preferably men in their early twenties, how does the NSW CUP, SG BALL sides look? Any stars on the rise?
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Why do we need a 9, we have Api and DeSilva his successor signed up, plus Simpkin
 
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