Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

I raise you Addo-Carr, Tedesco and paps
You stick any player in a stronger squad and of course they look better. The three players you have listed are all origin class players, whereas if you look at Eisenhuth, Garner, Brown, Woods, M'Bye......none of these players have performed any better IMO than they did for us. They are solid and not so solid first graders.

We need a few players a class above these. However, I take your point that our coaching staff don't seem to be able to improve players - which is a coaches job. I believe Sheens will improve the players in this squad, he already has with Simpkin, but it will take time when we all have waited long enough.
 
Cleary took that team to 9th, should have made the 8, Madge took that team to 9th again in his first season, also should have made the 8, and Cleary took the Warriors to the grand final, I would say his record in New Zealand was pretty good
Cleary is the best coach we had since Sheens left, unfortunately we couldn't keep him. He always managed to squeeze that extra bit of juice out of the orange. Cleary leaving was the end of Luke Brooks.
 
It's not a "Wests Tigers" problem that players come here and look worse and then our players leave and look better elsewhere.

It's a coaching problem.

Meaney always had bits about him that looked good at the Bulldogs. Plenty of speed and not a bad ballplayer from fullback. He wasn't consistent sure, but also clearly first grade quality. Another problem was his lack of size - he was simply too skinny to be effective, unless he made clean breaks he wouldn't bust a tackle. He's clearly been told to bulk up and is now being used in a way which utilises his speed and support play ability. Bellamy has changed what he wants out of his 1 with Meaney in there compared to Papenhuyzen who has a heavier ball playing load and is given more early ball with space.

That's what separates guys like Bennett and Bellamy. They identify the strengths and weaknesses in players and put them in situations where their strengths are magnified and weaknesses masked. They identify players who fit their system and where they get talented players who don't fit their system, do their best to accommodate them.

Cleary is a great coach too as much as it pains me to say it. Guys like Liam Martin and Dylan Edwards are average players. Nothing special physically and limited skillsets. But they are relentless, have great motors and a great work ethic. Cleary has identified that and given them roles in the team that mask their deficiencies and maximise their skills. Dylan Edwards can't break the line or pass very well, so trying to make him play like he's Trbojevic or Latrell would be stupid. What can he do well? Take a million hit-ups and get a quick play the ball whether it's the 1st minute or 79th minute. Why does Penrith dominate field position? Edwards makes 10m on 4th tackle, gets a quick play the ball and lets Nathan hoof it down field. Then guys like Liam Martin who offer effort in buckets lead the defensive line and compress opponents.

Look at the team he got to 9th in 2018. My god that was a miserable team. He's the one coach who managed to make Brooks look like a first grader (albeit a below average one, but nonetheless he looked like he belonged). Guys like Marsters, Naiqama, Fonua, Thompson, Rochow, Eisenhuth, Malakai Watene-Zelezniak, Godinet, McIlwrick. Some of those lineups read like NSW cup teams and yet he managed to extract every last bit of ability from these average players to have us finish 9th.

On the flip side, you have Sheens. Sheens will always try and meddle with players and force them to do what he wants.

Our halfback position is a great example: Morris at 7, Benji at 7, Farah at 7, Lui at 7, Brooks at 7. Two hookers and 3 5/8ths he's forced to play 7. Tim Moltzen, who we actually looked great with in that 2009-2011 period with at 7, is then forced to play 1. Hastings who is the best genuine 7 we've had since Scott Prince is forced out because Sheens thinks he's a lock. Makes no sense.

Isaiah Papali'i wins second rower of the year playing on the right edge? Let's move him to the left edge. John Bateman wins second rower of the year on the right edge? Let's try and turn him into a ball-playing lock. There's countless examples throughout his tenure of him taking what's not broken and breaking it.

In a salary cap competition, the path to sustained success comes from identifying value where others aren't able to see it. A player can be worth more or less to a team than their contracted value based on how they're utilised. If you continue to pay overs for talented players and misuse them, you'll never get anywhere. If you build a team around a core group of stars and a successful system then supplement it with underrated and undervalued players, you build dynasties like the Storm, Roosters and now Penrith.
That's one of the best posts I've read for some time. You obviously watch and analyse the game closely. Spot on with all your assertions. Well done.
 
That's one of the best posts I've read for some time. You obviously watch and analyse the game closely. Spot on with all your assertions. Well done.
It sure is! Sliding door moment when we had both Madge & Bennett looking to coach us. We ended up with Madge and the rest is history, but what could’ve been if it was Bennett who took over.
 
Meaney was always an under rated player even as far back as Newcastle. Remember him having a blinder at Cambo for the dogs against us a few years backs. I thought we should have chased him back then. Of course it’s highly unlikely he would have climbed the same heights with us. We can make any player look average
Meaney signed on to come to the Tiger's then was let go because Clearly got his man in Mbye
 
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It sure is! Sliding door moment when we had both Madge & Bennett looking to coach us. We ended up with Madge and the rest is history, but what could’ve been if it was Bennett who took over.
Another Pascoe Fiasco. He wanted Cleary gone asap. Cleary could've stayed for 2019 and Bennett join in 2020, our Recruitment would've included Latrell and The Fox if we had Bennett. But but but were doing well financially.
Also note that Pascoe sacked Scarecrow in Rd3 of 2017 because "he wasnt prepared to let another year slip by" 6 years later, he still hasnt overseen a side in the top 8. FKN fraud of a CEO.
 
Has the Pom posted anything on here recently, I can't be bothered reading through pages of dreams to find anything of a y substance.
 
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