OFFICIAL Pathways - KOE General Discussion

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If Laurie is going to be a half he needs to engage the line a lot more, rather than just catching and passing miles away from the defence.
From memory he improved on that slightly late in the game but really needs to improve.
A kicking game would help too
 
softlaw said:
If Laurie is going to be a half he needs to engage the line a lot more, rather than just catching and passing miles away from the defence.
From memory he improved on that slightly late in the game but really needs to improve.
A kicking game would help too
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Agree on your latter point. The last thing we need is to promote a half who has no kicking game
 
Luke Heartbreaker Brooks said:
It's hard to be upbeat and it's only round 8.
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This season was never going to be a results year and next year was meant to be a step stone year ready for Benji to start successfully.

The large benefit we have is more cash to splurge and roster spots than anyone else. The issue is lack of top line talent on the market.

I cannot see how we get better unless some kid’s really get going or we snag someone.
 
softlaw said:
If Laurie is going to be a half he needs to engage the line a lot more, rather than just catching and passing miles away from the defence.
From memory he improved on that slightly late in the game but really needs to improve.
A kicking game would help too
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Laurie would be a good kicker if he was playing force them back.
 
Mighty_Tiger said:
This season was never going to be a results year and next year was meant to be a step stone year ready for Benji to start successfully.

The large benefit we have is more cash to splurge and roster spots than anyone else. The issue is lack of top line talent on the market.

I cannot see how we get better unless some kid’s really get going or we snag someone.
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100%.

I bolded the key parts. We need some special players to come into the team. Until that happens I can't see significant improvement.
 
boonboon said:
Laurie played his first game in the halves since under 15s and
23 runs for 204 meters
2 line breaks, 2 line break assists, 2 try assists
5 tackle breaks
2 offloads
20 tackles at 84% efficiency
Only made 1 error and gave away 1 penalty

That's a huge performance in his first game in the halves
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Yes Laurie was busy and had some real classy touches but played as the 6 (even though he wore the 7) so barely kicked. Laidback, half paced style always hard to read. Played predominantly left side too.

I thought Laurie’s performance showed the benefit it could do Brooks to have a couple of weeks at that level.
 
balmain boy said:
They have players with the potential to go much further. We have players who are already as good as they ever be, and that's NSW cup at best. Just because you win it doesn't mean we're developing players.

Weekes was much better than Ogden Nof and Scolari. Humphries was better than Smith and Laurie. Yes Latu was error prone but he's also a youngster playing his first NSW cup game, playing up a few grades
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Rant warning!

Well I’m sorry @balmain boy but some of you guys need horsewhipping even though I respect your views mostly. Not sure what game you blokes are watching.

REAL STATS:

Nofoaluma (winger) 132 ARM.66% tackle efficiency. He did his best given the circumstances which was pleasing to see.

Scolari (winger) 140 ARM 100% tackle efficiency.

Both bagged as ordinary compared to the opposition.

Neither player was passed the ball once when they had an overlap (several times). We may as well have had forwards sitting on the wings to hit things up from our try line.

Both had to barge out from the 22 which they both did well, time and time again. They did the hard yards - enormous spirit really

Kayo Weekes (fullback) 182 ARM 75% tackle efficiency - got passed the ball in space, regularly and his metres included kick returns

He is a good player for sure and most likely better but your comments are negative and quite frankly offensive. Had heaps more opportunity.

As a coach, not hard to see that our centres do not or don’t know how to pass the ball. Our halves in both grades struggle to create opportunities for the outside backs.

Ogden though, pleasantly surprised me. Fair play to him - another one regularly written off here.

Same in first grade except one instance for Staines who did sensationally well to score. The coaches need to point this out. Either opposing sides have better defence but isn’t it amazing we can’t get the ball out wide in space for the outside backs to score? Why do most sides seem to be able to create chances out wide?

KOE encourages selfish play but Mansfield - heaps of potential. I really like him. However, went for the glory 3rd try from dummy half when we had 4 more tackles in the last few minutes to win and then dropped the ball - inexcusable. If he’s honest, it was a selfish play. I don’t understand that good players can do these things unless of course the pressure to get to NRL is more alluring. I’m going to back his potential & give him the benefit of the doubt. Great chance to be a very good, if not great first grader.

Most importantly, we won the game.

Not the players’ fault the so called “supporters” think they are ordinary.

You guys need to get a grip.

Rant over.
 
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Thaiger said:
Rant warning!

Well I’m sorry @balmain boy but some of you guys need horsewhipping even though I respect your views mostly. Not sure what game you blokes are watching.

REAL STATS:

Nofoaluma (winger) 132 ARM.66% tackle efficiency. He did his best given the circumstances which was pleasing to see.

Scolari (winger) 140 ARM 100% tackle efficiency.

Both bagged as ordinary compared to the opposition.

Neither player was passed the ball once when they had an overlap (several times). We may as well have had forwards sitting on the wings to hit things up from our try line.

Both had to barge out from the 22 which they both did well, time and time again. They did the hard yards - enormous spirit really

Kayo Weekes (fullback) 182 ARM 75% tackle efficiency - got passed the ball in space, regularly and his metres included kick returns

He is a good player for sure and most likely better but your comments are negative and quite frankly offensive. Had heaps more opportunity.

As a coach, not hard to see that our centres do not or don’t know how to pass the ball. Our halves in both grades struggle to create opportunities for the outside backs.

Ogden though, pleasantly surprised me. Fair play to him - another one regularly written off here.

Same in first grade except one instance for Staines who did sensationally well to score. The coaches need to point this out. Either opposing sides have better defence but isn’t it amazing we can’t get the ball out wide in space for the outside backs to score? Why do most sides seem to be able to create chances out wide?

KOE encourages selfish play but Mansfield - heaps of potential. I really like him. However, went for the glory 3rd try from dummy half when we had 4 more tackles in the last few minutes to win and then dropped the ball - inexcusable. If he’s honest, it was a selfish play. I don’t understand that good players can do these things unless of course the pressure to get to NRL is more alluring. I’m going to back his potential & give him the benefit of the doubt. Great chance to be a very good, if not great first grader.

Most importantly, we won the game.

Not the players’ fault the so called “supporters” think they are ordinary.

You guys need to get a grip.

Rant over.
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I usually enjoy your posts but fail to see what you're getting at here.

Nof was rubbish as a 150+ NRL player. Lazy and useless. Scolari first game back, Rusty, tried hard but with no impact and bad mistakes. We have terrible halves and centres.

Weekes rarely had an opportunity but still managed to make a 50m kick return. And

Again my point is manly had players playing who have the potential to move up the grades and we didn't. The fact we won doesn't change the fact that this team is not creating future first graders for Wests Tigers, which is it's ultimate purpose.

If players from this team want to push for first grade they should be standing out. Mansfield barged over from close range a couple of times which is good but as you said he's a hog and didn't show any skill in scoring, just big man in smaller man. Can he keep that going against bigger and better opponents?
 
balmain boy said:
I usually enjoy your posts but fail to see what you're getting at here.

Nof was rubbish as a 150+ NRL player. Lazy and useless. Scolari first game back, Rusty, tried hard but with no impact and bad mistakes. We have terrible halves and centres.

Weekes rarely had an opportunity but still managed to make a 50m kick return. And

Again my point is manly had players playing who have the potential to move up the grades and we didn't. The fact we won doesn't change the fact that this team is not creating future first graders for Wests Tigers, which is it's ultimate purpose.

If players from this team want to push for first grade they should be standing out. Mansfield barged over from close range a couple of times which is good but as you said he's a hog and didn't show any skill in scoring, just big man in smaller man. Can he keep that going against bigger and better opponents?
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As I've said before Balmain Boy is Mr negative
 
balmain boy said:
I usually enjoy your posts but fail to see what you're getting at here.

Nof was rubbish as a 150+ NRL player. Lazy and useless. Scolari first game back, Rusty, tried hard but with no impact and bad mistakes. We have terrible halves and centres.

Weekes rarely had an opportunity but still managed to make a 50m kick return. And

Again my point is manly had players playing who have the potential to move up the grades and we didn't. The fact we won doesn't change the fact that this team is not creating future first graders for Wests Tigers, which is it's ultimate purpose.

If players from this team want to push for first grade they should be standing out. Mansfield barged over from close range a couple of times which is good but as you said he's a hog and didn't show any skill in scoring, just big man in smaller man. Can he keep that going against bigger and better opponents?
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I don’t think you really analysed the game or understand backline plays when making your sweeping statement that our players are average. Maybe you don’t like stats.

Hard to have an impact when neither player is passed the ball and just doing hit ups. In fact, Scolari was third in post contact metres & Nofa 5th. Their impact was quite good given the circumstances. Errors? Scolari 1 (a kick) and Nofa 2. You make it sound like that they had plenty. Hardly lazy 140 & 132 ARM. Both are proven good finishers but how could anyone possibly know?

Defensively they also did well.

Weekes hardly much better with much more opportunity. I expected more from him. In fact, Ogden outplayed him.

Our outside men are starved when it comes to their inside players in open play and yet our opposition seem to be able to do it at will.

At least the team overall showed heart & most importantly they won.
 
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Thaiger said:
Rant warning!

Well I’m sorry @balmain boy but some of you guys need horsewhipping even though I respect your views mostly. Not sure what game you blokes are watching.

REAL STATS:

Nofoaluma (winger) 132 ARM.66% tackle efficiency. He did his best given the circumstances which was pleasing to see.

Scolari (winger) 140 ARM 100% tackle efficiency.

Both bagged as ordinary compared to the opposition.

Neither player was passed the ball once when they had an overlap (several times). We may as well have had forwards sitting on the wings to hit things up from our try line.

Both had to barge out from the 22 which they both did well, time and time again. They did the hard yards - enormous spirit really

Kayo Weekes (fullback) 182 ARM 75% tackle efficiency - got passed the ball in space, regularly and his metres included kick returns

He is a good player for sure and most likely better but your comments are negative and quite frankly offensive. Had heaps more opportunity.

As a coach, not hard to see that our centres do not or don’t know how to pass the ball. Our halves in both grades struggle to create opportunities for the outside backs.

Ogden though, pleasantly surprised me. Fair play to him - another one regularly written off here.

Same in first grade except one instance for Staines who did sensationally well to score. The coaches need to point this out. Either opposing sides have better defence but isn’t it amazing we can’t get the ball out wide in space for the outside backs to score? Why do most sides seem to be able to create chances out wide?

KOE encourages selfish play but Mansfield - heaps of potential. I really like him. However, went for the glory 3rd try from dummy half when we had 4 more tackles in the last few minutes to win and then dropped the ball - inexcusable. If he’s honest, it was a selfish play. I don’t understand that good players can do these things unless of course the pressure to get to NRL is more alluring. I’m going to back his potential & give him the benefit of the doubt. Great chance to be a very good, if not great first grader.

Most importantly, we won the game.

Not the players’ fault the so called “supporters” think they are ordinary.

You guys need to get a grip.

Rant over.
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Like your rant being a winger in Tigers side NRL or CUP comes with some difficulties where the ball never gets to you not with any overlap or room to move . Our backline plays tend to breakdown before the ball gets that far .A half or center of edge forward will hesitate and cut back inside . The concept should be for our playmakers DRAW & PASS ! not just pass
Alex Johnson for Souths gets a lot of tries but with most he is put into space
Nofo was at least a year or two ago good at making something out of nothing .in other words scoring with little room to move
 
Last 3 games for Brandon Mansfield (NRL Dev.):

3 tries
2 line breaks
10 tackle breaks
6 offloads
105 metres per game
35 tackles per game (94% efficiency)

Has played all but 15 mins (HIA)

This kid is finally finding his feet after a period of injury lay-off.

Hopeful he debuts this season. Personally really like him. Plays a different style to Kautoga but has NRL potential.

Well Done.
 
Buttface said:
Yes he can be a bit negative but makes a fair point at times.
Can be a bit a of a downer after a win but we haven’t had a win in so long it’s just a downer anyway.
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Winning is not the primary point of reserve grade!!! It's a bonus and obviously points that things are going in the right direction, but a win can also paper over the cracks which is usually the case for us.

the magpies are a disorganised mess, lacking talent and structure, with very few genuine prospects for first grade, hence they are failing. we have put all our eggs in the 15-18 year old bucket, and that's just wrong, amateur and frankly embarrassing
 
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