WT Ownership, The Board & Senior Management - MEGA Thread

[Telltails]

Disagree with your first point. If a team gets 40 people to every game, has 60 members and 100 supporters who buy merchandise I doubt they'd be too successful as a club.

It certainly helps a lot, but there's moreto it than simply winning games.

You could easily be successful as a team and a failure as a club.

Saying all clubs rely on NRL funding kind of contradicts yourself.

It is in the NRL's interest to ensure the best teams remain in the game. History will show winning teams generate fans losing teams dont - and in more recent times attract players up and coming and quality who want to play for them. The NRL backs teams financially to grow their product both as a live spectator sport at games and for TV. If WTs as part of that product continually fail - in Sydney where there already plenty of teams to support - and interest in them from fans and sponsors deteriates the WTs become a bad investment for the NRL - which places the club at risk despite having a financial leagues club.

 

[davey_farrell]

Nothing too contentious there, Jones is, and always has been an egomaniac so I’m letting the free coaching through to the keeper.
What else is not exactly what everyone is thinking ?
For my 20 cents worth I think that Sheens original role as GM of football was a great move. Of course now the coaching aspect has come in he has no one overseeing him.
Part of the solution would be to make Benji coach in 24, revert Sheens back to GM of football and conduct the role as it should be.
The board would then have 2 major management reviews each year, Pascoe for finance/admin and Sheens for football. No necessity for the board to be involved more than that.
If either are not meeting their objectives then remove and recruit. Same applies further down the line eg if Pascoe had anvery we accountant or Sheens had a coach, who weren’t meeting their objectives then remove and recruit.
What we dont know is the actual details of this coaching agreement. Yes, I know broad based it’s a 3 year deal for Benji but based on what criteria ? Improved table position, appropriate recruitment ?
It’s all a little bit cosy don’t you think? And has Sheens formally announced if he is going to stay in as GM of football or not ? My
Suggestion would be, if not, then we start recruiting now for a replacement and give Tim a quiet office somewhere or buy him and his family a nice ticket back to the Uk.

 

[davey_farrell]

very well said

 

[NT_Tiger]

Anyone got the actual transcript of this?

My understanding is that Sampson just asked a routine question just like she'd ask Siro, Blocker, Skando etc about the club. Unless anyone has the actual question she asked, you shouldn't be pinning anything on her.

Jones is the prick who turned the event into this. Lee is also a prick but smaller prick for walking out. Difference though is Jones represents no one whereas Lee represents us.

What a shitshow.

The one thing Wests Tigers excel at is shitshow. I'm not talking about the players.

 

[TurnStyle]

that's not a transcript from the event, that's what he said to media afterwards

Oh okay, I should've known that from the opening sentence: "Alan Jones' comments"....

 

[TurnStyle]

It is in the NRL's interest to ensure the best teams remain in the game. History will show winning teams generate fans losing teams dont - and in more recent times attract players up and coming and quality who want to play for them. The NRL backs teams financially to grow their product both as a live spectator sport at games and for TV. If WTs as part of that product continually fail - in Sydney where there already plenty of teams to support - and interest in them from fans and sponsors deteriates the WTs become a bad investment for the NRL - which places the club at risk despite having a financial leagues club.

Okay

 

[The Chad]

Yvonne Sampson was one of the producers of Tales of Tigertown.

The show that 360 then used to basically bag the Tigers & call them a circus for the remainder of the season.

Anyone believe in agendas?

 

[Eternal Tiger]

Yvonne Sampson was one of the producers of Tales of Tigertown.

The show that 360 then used to basically bag the Tigers & call them a circus for the remainder of the season.

Anyone believe in agendas?

Do you believe that if JUST FOR ONCE, this Board and CEO could give us a decent Season, the media pile on would stop?
It shouldn't be this hard. They've missed the top half of the Comp 12 years in a row. They are the easiest targets

 

[Fallen Angel]

Yvonne Sampson was one of the producers of Tales of Tigertown.

The show that 360 then used to basically bag the Tigers & call them a circus for the remainder of the season.

Anyone believe in agendas?

Always everyone else’s fault. That’s why we’re flying so high

 

[The Chad]

Do you believe that if JUST FOR ONCE, this Board and CEO could give us a decent Season, the media pile on would stop?
It shouldn't be this hard. They've missed the top half of the Comp 12 years in a row. They are the easiest targets

Probably. But it suits the journo's to have issues at a club for them to highlight.

Don't worry- I'd suggest if Anasta wasn't such a strong believer of the Bulldogs they would cop equal amounts of media schtick.

I'm all for negative press when it's deserved. Some of what you hear (and what many then believe) is pure narrative with no substance.

Case in point- James Hooper constantly calls the Tigers a "circus'. Great.

But only last week he was asked what he meant by 'circus'.

"Umm, well, you know...they are a shambles"

That's not reporting. That's just saying something because it gets a reaction.

 

[The Chad]

Always everyone else’s fault. That’s why we’re flying so high

Not blaming anyone.

Just pointing out the same person who put Alan Jones in the spotlight at a charity event, who then called for the Tigers board to be removed, is the same person who produced a show that her own network used to bag the club on another show on the same channel.

 

[Finger]

Let it go mate. That was 30 years ago.
Alan Jones is just saying what most have been on the forum. Lee and board need some accountability.
Someone had to say it ro their face and I don't care who the messenger is.

👌

 

[Eternal Tiger]

Probably. But it suits the journo's to have issues at a club for them to highlight.

Don't worry- I'd suggest if Anasta wasn't such a strong believer of the Bulldogs they would cop equal amounts of media schtick.

I'm all for negative press when it's deserved. Some of what you hear (and what many then believe) is pure narrative with no substance.

Case in point- James Hooper constantly calls the Tigers a "circus'. Great.

But only last week he was asked what he meant by 'circus'.

"Umm, well, you know...they are a shambles"

That's not reporting. That's just saying something because it gets a reaction.

Make no mistake, NRL media are putrid, nothing more than gossip mongers. I just wish we would take the heat off ourselves

 

[diedpretty]

Same could be said for any ex magpies or Balmain players then.
They have nothing to do with Wt's.
Are they stuck in the past?

Yawn. Maybe if you read what was said. My point was why ask Alan Jones anything about WT. he never has and never will have anything to do with them.

 

[bathursttiger1]

Probably. But it suits the journo's to have issues at a club for them to highlight.

Don't worry- I'd suggest if Anasta wasn't such a strong believer of the Bulldogs they would cop equal amounts of media schtick.

I'm all for negative press when it's deserved. Some of what you hear (and what many then believe) is pure narrative with no substance.

Case in point- James Hooper constantly calls the Tigers a "circus'. Great.

But only last week he was asked what he meant by 'circus'.

"Umm, well, you know...they are a shambles"

That's not reporting. That's just saying something because it gets a reaction.

At least 100% Footy Had enough guts to ask Gus about the Dogs and not go after the Tigers without mentioning the Dogs.

 

[Halbrowne61]

Same could be said for any ex magpies or Balmain players then.
They have nothing to do with Wt's.
Are they stuck in the past?

Of course they are. Look at the way guys like Roach are referred to, former Tigers great, not former Wests Tigers great. Was TommyR. a former Wests Tigers great, of course not.
What they should do with those people is clearly define them ( too late for dear old Tom) coz there are 3 entities.
1. Wests Magpies
2. Balmain Tigers
3. Wests Tigers
Eg Hey Blocka, how do you rate the current WT pack v the Balmain Tigers packs of your era ?
No one ever says that it’s just all lumped into one basket.
Same with St George/ Illawarra. And guess who’s last and second last in the comp. I say part of its because we can’t let go of the past and develop new identities for the future.

 

[Halbrowne61]

All good exposure for Brydens.

Especially if he slaps a slander lawsuit on
Jones ?
You know how these high profile guys love a legal stoush !!

 

[Halbrowne61]

Your point is valid and well said. It was tasteless and egocentric. However I am not at all disappointed that this occurred. While I avoid Alan Jones at all costs and generally do not value anything he has to say, he has sent a thunderbolt straight to the person who needs to hear it most, true or not. Perhaps this will result in some introspection on Lees part.

Alan Jones has probably done more than the rest of the people in that room for both individuals and charitable causes. It wouldn’t surprise me, if behind the scenes, he has done or arranged something amazing to assist Anderson( that won’t come out in public for years to come).
Did you read the story about Stuart and how Jones organised Packers private plane to get him to hospital urgently.
The guy is definitely egocentric but in HIS book of life he obviously figures the outbursts are outweighed by the good things he does.
Now I am not suggesting for one minute that’s correct, but I believe that’s how guys like him think.
It was inappropriate but he wouldn’t see it like that. Yvonne asked the question, the target was in full sight, so away we go. I’m sure he would have had a word in Andersons ear later apologising for the railroading.
The question now is what happens next, Lee comes out and defends himself and the board, life goes on OR does it become a catalyst for change. Probably doubtful.

 

[innsaneink]

Yawn. Maybe if you read what was said. My point was why ask Alan Jones anything about WT. he never has and never will have anything to do with them.

Come on... We all know Balmain /Wests Tigers often gets clouded.
Not right but it happens as they're related

 

[SeanT]

Management spout that they have a plan to raise Wests Tigers out of the doldrums. They hire three people from the golden year of Wests Tigers as coaches and tell the punters to have faith. Like dopes, we buy into their 'vision'.
Inexplicably they trade away a halfback that can lead. They undermine the remaining halfback by shopping around all over the place for a halfback, while reassuring the one they have that they really want to keep him. Then they lowball an offer to him to keep him here. As a result that half leaves, leaving us without a half for next year. They trade away a good forward that wants to stay and is valued by his team mates and then don't replace him, leaving us short. And although they stay out of football decisions, they then undermine the coaches by hiring a recruitment manager without reference to them.
Is there any reason for anyone in the playing group or coaching staff to trust Management? Is there any reason for the playing group to believe in the (spin) plan, or for that matter even to believe there is one?
This management has done just about everything in its power to destabilise the club environment for the football team. If any of us believed they were intelligent enough, it could almost be seen as deliberate, however my guess it is simply gross incompetence.
I call BS on their plan.

The issue in all that is that the hierarchy is getting directly involved in the football department.

I.liked how we had a GM of football who answers to the hierarchy but keeps them far away from the football side of things. Instead we get rid of the GM, put him in the head coach role, then gets blindsided by an appointment he had no idea about by the hierarchy who have said and I quote 'Pascoe doesn't get involves in the football department business' (Lee).

You can't make this up honestly.

Sheens isn't up to it but how we got to this stage is staggering in its ineptitude.