WT Ownership, The Board & Senior Management - MEGA Thread

[LeichhardtTiger]

No idea and I don't care.

But even still you are over-dramatising: "secretive hiring". This is not Women's Day or Bold And The Beautiful and you are imagining up scenarios that you don't know to be true.

Consider this: there is this running narrative now that Sheens and maybe Benji are offside with Fulton, that Fulton was rushed and is an instrument of some kind of Pascoe/Hagipantelis pact to re-gain control of operations and sideline Sheens. To go as far as to create suggestions that Sheens might leave early or Benji walk away from the deal.

It's gotten to the point where there cannot even be a disagreement within the club without someone saying "factions". Tim Sheens denying any knowledge of a Tommy Talau mid-year swap (which he always does) and people start saying "ooh that's SUGGESTIVE".

What a load of horseshit. They are grown men and there have been egos in rugby league since Day Dot, so I'm both not surprised if strong personalities can grate a little, but also I fully expect as pros and grown men that they figure out a way to make it work.

So literally, your previous post was that because Lee no longer appears to say "great man" that this has some deeper meaning. What are you, 5 days out of a girl's high school?

Love the passion but a pathetic, digressive response to a genuine question. Meanwhile, Dominic Perrotett is angling for the next Board / Chair spot apparently. As you say you don't care...plenty of us do.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

Love the passion but a pathetic, digressive response to a genuine question. Meanwhile, Dominic Perrotett is angling for the next Board / Chair spot apparently. As you say you don't care...plenty of us do.

Thank you for the clarity. Pathetic isn't he? Lucky we have people like you to remedy this. Pathetic. What's his name?

 

[jirskyr]

Why do you have a need to end your post with a derogatory remark directed at @twentyforty when he asked a perfectly sensible question.
I thought you were better than that.

Because I was annoyed? I also used the word horseshit.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

Because I was annoyed? I also used the word horseshit.

He didn't mean it. Leichhardt Tiger is one of us. Tired of losing.

 

[jirskyr]

Love the passion but a pathetic, digressive response to a genuine question. Meanwhile, Dominic Perrotett is angling for the next Board / Chair spot apparently. As you say you don't care...plenty of us do.

It's not a genuine question. It's a request to speculate on rumour and my answer was honest and blunt.

The rest of my comment wasn't a digression, it was bringing the discussion back to my original point, where the OP said something silly like "why did Lee stop calling Sheens "the great man", I think it's because of a power struggle" and I said it sounded overly dramatised.

 

[SeanT]

Pascoe has done a pretty decent job with the financial side of the business, please just keep him away from the football department.

Yeah but at what cost? 5 home grounds a year? No wonder the team can't win if we have to play at different stadiums all the time.

 

[Chipofftheoldblock]

Their continued interference with the football department muddies the waters far too much for the blame to be solely apportioned to that department.

100% agree this comment ....although they did appoint the current coaching staff which in my opinion has the worst attack structure i have seen for the past 20 years.

 

[coivtny]

I don't think WA contribute any funds to WT anymore. They pay for junior footy comps, but the WT use their own revenue and the NRL grant currently

According to WA financial statements they gave WT $1.1m for the year ended 31 October 2021 and $1.85m the following year.

 

[twentyforty]

It's not a genuine question. It's a request to speculate on rumour and my answer was honest and blunt.

The rest of my comment wasn't a digression, it was bringing the discussion back to my original point, where the OP said something silly like "why did Lee stop calling Sheens "the great man", I think it's because of a power struggle" and I said it sounded overly dramatised.

Speculation is all you have when there is no clarity or transparency surrounding decisions from the board which override positional authority of the coach.
I thought the Fulton hiring was odd and the fallout of the decision wasn’t or hasn’t proven helpful so far.
We’ve had Macca sacked, a record loss, and we’ve lost key players.
While the Chair has this to say..
“It just wasn’t good enough and completely unexpected. I did not see that coming.
“The result was embarrassing and unacceptable but we will own it.

 

[twentyforty]

Has he?

We have people telling us that a petition is going to jeopardise sponsorships.

Performance is harming the bottom line.

To be fair to Pascoe, it would be one of the toughest jobs, but lets not get carried away when heaping praise on his achievements.
I think WT is close to fully supported by the NRL, with the salary cap and associated allowances, plus the $5m to cover costs of the Football department.
Interestingly the 2 poorest clubs in the NRL are at the bottom of the ladder.

 

[twentyforty]

Some lively debate about the muppets after they talk about CBA.

Robust discussion. Webster and Chammas really fired up.

 

[hammertime]

I've just had a look at Wests Ashfield latest financial statements. I was looking for a valuation of Wests Tigers as a financial asset of Wests Ashfield. While there are plenty of references to Wests Tigers in the statements and accompanying notes they are not listed as an asset.
I'm not an accountant but was wondering if any forum members who are financially literate might be able to explain why they aren't listed as an asset. My thinking is that, if they were an asset of Wests Ashfield their valuation would have dropped significantly over the last 5 years and there's nothing more likely to galvanise an owner into action than to see their net asset position take a substantial hit.
I just can't understand why Wests Ashfield have allowed this situation to drift along for years without taking serious remedial action.

It might be through a holding company or subsidiary mate. So may not be called Wests Tigers.

 

[matchball]

Pascoe will be the sacrificial lamb. Lee won't go let's face it. He will punt Pascoe to quietly calm the rowdy mob aka us.
Lee is a clubs terminal disease. A parasite always targets a weak host.

 

[tiger_one]

Pascoe will be the sacrificial lamb. Lee won't go let's face it. He will punt Pascoe to quietly calm the rowdy mob aka us.
Lee is a clubs terminal disease. A parasite always targets a weak host.

It's the old story: he who has the gold, rules.

 

[balmain boy]

According to WA financial statements they gave WT $1.1m for the year ended 31 October 2021 and $1.85m the following year.

Well yes covid years would have cut out clubs ability to make game day revenue, ticket sales, corporate suites etc so extra funds may have evidently been required to balance things out during those crazy years

 

[balmain boy]

Pascoe will be the sacrificial lamb. Lee won't go let's face it. He will punt Pascoe to quietly calm the rowdy mob aka us.
Lee is a clubs terminal disease. A parasite always targets a weak host.

This is the thing, the board need to go first. They appoint the CEO, therefore before we sack Pascoe we need to sack those who've supported him all this time, get competent people in who can then make the call on whom the new ceo should be.
It's not as simple as 'sack pascoe'

 

[matchball]

This is the thing, the board need to go first. They appoint the CEO, therefore before we sack Pascoe we need to sack those who've supported him all this time, get competent people in who can then make the call on whom the new ceo should be.
It's not as simple as 'sack pasoce'

I agree but Lee isn't leaving. Tripping Dennis you'll have to pry his skeleton out of that board seat.

 

[jirskyr]

Speculation is all you have when there is no clarity or transparency surrounding decisions from the board which override positional authority of the coach.
I thought the Fulton hiring was odd and the fallout of the decision wasn’t or hasn’t proven helpful so far.
We’ve had Macca sacked, a record loss, and we’ve lost key players.
While the Chair has this to say..
“It just wasn’t good enough and completely unexpected. I did not see that coming.
“The result was embarrassing and unacceptable but we will own it.

McDonnell wasn't sacked, he decided to leave.

What decisions were made by the board that override the personal authority of the coach? What is the personal authority of the coach? What are the limits of his authority?

You say since Fulton joined we've had a record loss and lost key players. And what about before Fulton joined, what about the 7 straight losses to start 2023 (or 12 straight including 2022)? What about the 72-6 loss to Roosters and 56-10 loss to Raiders at the end of 2022?

Did something change since Scott Fulton arrived? Or are Tigers just continuing a very bad run of form that has a long precedent from several previous seasons?

You may as well stop after your first few words "speculation is all you have". On that we can agree.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I think we should look at Laundy's comments about big name players willing apparently to stay at the powerful clubs for less. He has come up with an idea to attempt to circumvent this and I read WTs were mentioned by him as another club suffering from an inability to recruit top players because of this reality. Instead of infighting, we should at least applaud Laundy for coming up with a solution to the imbalance and see with our own benefactors whether we have a solution. We bridge the gap and this infighting ends.

 

[twentyforty]

McDonnell wasn't sacked, he decided to leave.

What decisions were made by the board that override the personal authority of the coach? What is the personal authority of the coach? What are the limits of his authority?

You say since Fulton joined we've had a record loss and lost key players. And what about before Fulton joined, what about the 7 straight losses to start 2023 (or 12 straight including 2022)? What about the 72-6 loss to Roosters and 56-10 loss to Raiders at the end of 2022?

Did something change since Scott Fulton arrived? Or are Tigers just continuing a very bad run of form that has a long precedent from several previous seasons?

You may as well stop after your first few words "speculation is all you have". On that we can agree.

What do you mean by personal authority? You understand what positional authority is right?
It’s possible that the head coach’s PA was modified, I don’t know? I just assume that the HC was responsible for hiring and firing his own team? Isn’t that the case at other clubs?