PETITION LINK External Review

[mike]

Sounds like you and certain others have taken it upon yourselves to introduce an ongoing disruption to the club at a critical time. You know a plan" B, C & D."

Seen it posted elsewhere here. "Anarchy, precarious position if they refuse to act" etc.

Well this is your prerogative and your decision.

Trouble is I and probably most other supporters don't wish to see the club attacked in this way because despite perhaps the best intentions of the organisers it may well make a bad situation worse.

One thing calling for improvements and another calling for disruption.

Always your prerogative to take a different view. I am calling for improvement. It’s time for a change after 12 yrs. I worry about the future of the club. How is asking for an external review attacking the club? This could only benefit the club and is normal business practice. The petition will be presented to the Holman Barnes Group the owners of the Wests Tigers not the Wests Tigers Board. The governance of the Wests Tigers is broken. There is no accountability for their actions. We keep lurching from one disaster to another. When would it be enough to take action? At what point does it become irrecoverable?

This is not an attack in the club, I love the club, I am a Wests Tiger, and I want to make sure the club continues. To do that changes need to be made.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

You are literally the only person in this entire thread bringing up Wests v Balmain

Not me, others have only responded to that.

with your insane imagined conspiracy theory

are you serious , what a pathetic and unsubstantiated attempt of total BS

that Cochise has started this petition to kill of Wests somehow. Nobody else raised it.

You have successfully derailed an important thread about an important petition to try to force the club to conduct an independent review to fix the joint with imagined conspiracies. Bravo.

Bullocks.

Your useless spin and and innuendo show the weakness of your arguments.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

Always your prerogative to take a different view. I am calling for improvement. It’s time for a change after 12 yrs. I worry about the future of the club. How is asking for an external review attacking the club? This could only benefit the club and is normal business practice. The petition will be presented to the Holman Barnes Group the owners of the Wests Tigers not the Wests Tigers Board. The governance of the Wests Tigers is broken. There is no accountability for their actions. We keep lurching from one disaster to another. When would it be enough to take action? At what point does it become irrecoverable?

This is not an attack in the club, I love the club, I am a Wests Tiger, and I want to make sure the club continues. To do that changes need to be made.

But your plans for further disruption.

I can't see constant organised innuendo against the club being positive.

Also it isn't standard business practice for businesses to respond to petitions from customers calling for a review.

 

[Mistymuzzle]

But your plans for further disruption.

I can't see constant organised innuendo against the club being positive.

Also it isn't standard business practice for businesses to respond to petitions from customers calling for a review.

Someone had better tell KPMG and Deloittes to close up shop.

Not much self awareness to call it BS when I call you out for imagined conspiracies and then in the very next post literally imagine that Mike has a conspiracy to organise innuendo and disruption. Hilarious if it wasnt stinking up an important thread.

 

[innsaneink]

Over 1600 angry upset pissed off fans/members have now signed.

The efforts been picked up by 9 WWOS also

Just ignore the troll

 

[mike]

But your plans for further disruption.

I can't see constant organised innuendo against the club being positive.

Also it isn't standard business practice for businesses to respond to petitions from customers calling for a review.

But your plans for further disruption.

I can't see constant organised innuendo against the club being positive.

Also it isn't standard business practice for businesses to respond to petitions from customers calling for a review.

You are reading too much into it. Further actions may be necessary if the fans continue to be ignored. An external review resolves this.

It’s not innuendo, the list of stuff ups by the club in the past 12 years is a long one. As fans should we just accept this? Or should we pushing for a club to be run along best practices?

Correct, petitions are not standard practice but customer reviews are. Enough bad customer reviews and they often lead to changes in a company. Asking for an external review is not unreasonable, that’s why I signed the petition. I consider it my bad review of the club,

 

[Magpie_Magic]

Someone had better tell KPMG and Deloittes to close up shop.

Not much self awareness to call it BS when I call you out for imagined conspiracies and then in the very next post literally imagine that Mike has a conspiracy to organise innuendo and disruption. Hilarious if it wasnt stinking up an important thread.

Seriously, your imagining stuff.

Mike posted that there are further plans lest the club doesn't respond to a review.

Mike just clarified above that" further actions may be necessary. "

 

[Magpie_Magic]

You are reading too much into it. Further actions may be necessary if the fans continue to be ignored. An external review resolved this.

It’s not innuendo, the list of stuff ups by the club in the past 12 years is a long one. As fans should we just accept this? Or should we pushing for a club to be run along best practices?

Correct, petitions are not standard practice but customer reviews are. Enough bad customer reviews and they often lead to changes in a company. Asking for an external review is not unreasonable, that’s why I signed the petition. I consider it my bad review of the club,

Your prerogative.

Can't see the club agreeing to a review this way so if some fans plan further actions then the club is in for a long potentially destabilising period.

Not good news.

 

[mike]

Your prerogative.

Can't see the club agreeing to a review this way so if some fans plan further actions then the club is in for a long potentially destabilising period.

Not good news.

The club is already in a long destabilising period. Has been for at least 12 years. It’s time to put an end to it.

 

[The Fresh Oil]

You are literally the only person in this entire thread bringing up Wests v Balmain with your insane imagined conspiracy theory that Cochise has started this petition to kill of Wests somehow. Nobody else raised it.

You have successfully derailed an important thread about an important petition to try to force the club to conduct an independent review to fix the joint with imagined conspiracies. Bravo.

Yup 100%

 

[Halbrowne61]

My good friends @jadtiger and @Jedi_Tiger havr from memory called for the team to play all home games at LO.

Let’s hope we can encourage more patrons at CS and that won’t ever be considered.
South West locals need to share ways and means of getting decent crowds in, especially if we plan 5 games there next year.
At present it’s Death Valley in both crowds and results ( not that LO has been much better) it’s just that even when hope seems lost, people still turn up to LO.
And also, we are the Wests Tigers so that stats whatever slant you are putting on it.

 

[mike]

Seriously, your imagining stuff.

Mike posted that there are further plans lest the club doesn't respond to a review.

Mike just clarified above that" further actions may be necessary. "

Just to be clear, what I post here are entirely my ideas and opinions. I have had no direct contact about the petition with the creators of the petition other than signing it and my comments on various social media sites, including this one, to support it.

 

[TieDye]

Not true. Your take.

If some younger people don't care about the identity this club is forged on others do.

And the rest of us only follow this club due to the legacy clubs. Mightn't be important to you but it is to others.

As for @TieDye and @Tim Sheens comments re a Wests v Balmain thing or @cochise mentioning the Magpies supporters are pushing for a return of the Magpies...this in untrue. Over the last few years on this forum fans from the Magpies side of the JV are not welcomed with the same enthusiasm as those from the Balmain side.

Most move on.

What most from the Wests side want is no dilution of our identity within the JV.

At least I don't bother posting under multiple accounts trying to chip away at the edges.

Many have called on here fo the club to be just called the Tigers playing out of LO.

Call out a post of mine which pushes for that type of BS in reverse.

Mate, please. I truly care and may/may not have my allegiances but don’t let it phase me.

HB Group seems like it may not want the limelight which I’ll fully understand, however, you have to understand this is our only option as mere supporters to support this inquisitive, fully fleshed out review of the CLUB’S performance on and off field - which if it were to be successful would change necessary things to have us pushing for a premiership - in hopes of finally bringing this fan base together.

It’s legitimately not an issue of Magpies vs Balmain, however I sympathise with the long and strong fight you’ve put up! There’s no attempt at creating division from everything I’ve seen and heard around especially the Roar/podcast guys (was unsure which is which).

 

[Magpie_Magic]

Mate, please. I truly care and may/may not have my allegiances but don’t let it phase me.

HB Group seems like it may not want the limelight which I’ll fully understand, however, you have to understand this is our *only* option as mere supporters to support this inquisitive, fully fleshed out review of the CLUB’S performance on/off field - which if it were to be successful and changed necessary things to have us pushing for a premiership - in hopes of finally bringing this fan base together.

It’s legitimately not an issue of Magpies vs Balmain, however I sympathise with the long and strong fight you’ve put up! There’s no attempt at creating division from everything I’ve seen and heard around especially the Roar/podcast guys (was unsure which is which).

The post you quoted me on was a response to another forumer bringing up those topics.

With regards possible reviews what are the necessary changes you speak of?

And why would it make the club more successful?

Given Gus Gould's recent reviews of both the Bulldogs and Saints have led to them being engaged in a fight for the woodwork with us.

And prior reviews at this club have not worked either.

 

[TieDye]

The post you quoted me on was a response to another forumer bringing up those topics.

With regards possible reviews what are the necessary changes you speak of?

And why would it make the club more successful?

Given Gus Gould's recent reviews of both the Bulldogs and Saints have led to them being engaged in a fight for the woodwork with us.

And prior reviews at this club have not worked either.

I would suggest that it can be kept entirely internal. The outcome being the only necessary thing to provide communication and maybe some documentation on.

Dragons are also in the same boat where their problems aren’t essentially on-field development but the hymn book sung by MGMT.

Notice Phil didn’t want a bar of that… not sure any of us have the answers but some solutions regarding KPI’s off the field (pathways, retention, etc.) and a bit more of a PR campaign with some public persona other than the chairman desirable.

It’s not his fault but if HBG wasn’t to act I fear that their own asset, being WT loses viability.

If there’s no financial focus to the review then I’d say you’re very likely in unearthing the root problem.

 

[BZN]

My good friends @jadtiger and @Jedi_Tiger havr from memory called for the team to play all home games at LO.

My good friends @jadtiger and @Jedi_Tiger havr from memory called for the team to play all home games at LO.

Yes, I feel you are correct M_M.
As soon as I read your post it rang a bell, and it has been stuck in my mind ever since.
I feel pretty sure I gave it a 😲 or a 🙁 at the time.
It's pretty easy for the written word to be taken the wrong way though, especially with a contentious issue like this with a throwaway line where the writer 'may have' just been trying to pull someone's leg, and hopefully that's all it was.

 

[BZN]

You are literally the only person in this entire thread bringing up Wests v Balmain with your insane imagined conspiracy theory that Cochise has started this petition to kill of Wests somehow. Nobody else raised it.

You have successfully derailed an important thread about an important petition to try to force the club to conduct an independent review to fix the joint with imagined conspiracies. Bravo.

Wow Mm, your name reminds me of a very scary movie called "play misty for me".

There's no 'insane imagined conspiracy theory' here by M_M or me.

We all follow Wests Tigers but M_M and I are looking at things from a Wests Magpies perspective which we are entitled to do, surely.
But for some insane [your word] reason we get jumped on from a great height for having that perspective.

As another poster said that he/she had a look at one of the Wests Magpies sites, there's just as much anti Balmain stuff on there as there is anti-Magpies stuff on here, but that is disguised as accusations and criticism against M_M and me for looking at things from a Magpies pov.

Neither of us have said we want the Balmain Tigers side kicked out due to the Tigers only having a 10% stake in our club.
But I can imagine the angst that fact must have on a lot of supporters from the Balmain side of our JV.
Just imagine what would happen if a benefactor aligned with the Magpies materialized and said "off with the Tigers heads, Magpies only from now on"
I can imagine the upRoar that would cause, and it would be justified imo.

I can also imagine the angst those from the Magpies side would have when a group headed by Benny Elias, or another group aligned with Balmain Tigers puts in an offer to take over WT.
Is Bdb's offer the last time something similar to this will happen?

I accept the fact we are now WT, as the NRL own the name and therefore our name can never be changed, as far as I know.
But that may not stop someone trying to change the equilibrium if they think it is a chance of happening.
And 'maybe' the current petition is the 1st step in trying to change that equilibrium.

I'm pretty sure If Helmesy and Cochise were to say on here that they respect the fact the Magpies own 90% of our JV and will not try to change that, all this current bickering will stop, and we can all get back to enjoying WT actually winning a game or 3 more in 2023, due to this petition having the power to get our board to pull their fingers out and work effectively together.

 

[Joel Helmes]

We’ve asked for a review, there’s no desire for an ownership change in this action.

 

[Fallen Angel]

I like the passion, but i doubt this goes anywhere. You want to make a statement? Don’t renew memberships, don’t go to games, don’t buy merch. Hurt them in the hip pocket. Petitions won’t do that.

 

[Todd Packer]

We’ve asked for a review, there’s no desire for an ownership change in this action.

Hi Boys.
Long time listener first time caller.
Boys can I ask if it must be a bad week to be a death riding, negative ,agitating, podcasting petitioner?
What with all the good news this week and everything .
Do you think this might reduce your listening audience by 25% down to 3?
Love the show boys, keep up the good work.