I agree, coaching fail, but only from an outsider's perspective. I don't know what was going on in the background. There were a number of indications he wasn't happy here. Pity WT didn't take advantage of his skills earlier though.
Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion
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Eternal Tiger
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Brooks and Talau go in next year and they are Moses clients, and the Assistants Jim Dymock and Peter Gentle are also Moses clients. Seibold is a slave to his Manager, it cost him his job at Brisbane and will again at Manly.Ha, I think I have fallen for some fake news.
The Daily telegraph (man they are Horrible for accuracy, seriously dumb). said that 19/30 of their players were managed by Issac Moses.
Sea Eagles' Player management list for 2023
Manly Warringah Sea Eagles would like to clarify the list of player management agencies the Club is using in season 2023.www.seaeagles.com.au
clearly it is only 5.
Funny too how Manly have been bagged over clearing up the situation which was made by the Fake daily telegraph.
We can fill a spot if we want to but we don't have to, because Ofa counts if we want him to. But if you have different information I'd love a link to it, always good to keep up to date.
Tigers_Wests
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Liking the addition of the Fainu brothers for 2024 and hopefully we can land Sezer too for that experienced 7 to begin with.
I feel getting Sullivan would be good for a 3rd half and he could potentially be our 14 next year. I know we have TDS, but Api should be playing big minutes most weeks and the best thing for TDS will be getting more minutes and experience in Cup most weeks in 2024. I still think we will keep Wakeham on a 2nd tier contract next season, more so due to lack of availability out there. Hopefully he remains in Cup most of the year anyway.
With Daine gone, we need to think about a backup fullback, as there is currently no one contracted for 2024 who can really play that role. I would love for us to keep Staines and have him as our right winger, and as our back up fullback. Maybe try to pickup Kaeo Weekes to fill the role in 2024.
Our outside backs still worry me...
-AJ, Reilly and Naden have not filled me with any confidence that they will be any type of solution moving forward.
-Nofa getting moved on would be good for both parties I reckon.
-Tupou is a keeper with plenty of potential (just very hot and cold at this point of his career).
-To'a is also hot and cold. Needs some pressure in the centre position so his spot isn't guaranteed. Happy to keep him, but still need to see him become more consistent.
-Feledy also still has some developing to do on his game. Needs to be in Cup now to start helping him transition into 1st grade sooner rather than later.
Hopefully we can offload a few contracts between now and November 1 and replace them with some quality.
I feel getting Sullivan would be good for a 3rd half and he could potentially be our 14 next year. I know we have TDS, but Api should be playing big minutes most weeks and the best thing for TDS will be getting more minutes and experience in Cup most weeks in 2024. I still think we will keep Wakeham on a 2nd tier contract next season, more so due to lack of availability out there. Hopefully he remains in Cup most of the year anyway.
With Daine gone, we need to think about a backup fullback, as there is currently no one contracted for 2024 who can really play that role. I would love for us to keep Staines and have him as our right winger, and as our back up fullback. Maybe try to pickup Kaeo Weekes to fill the role in 2024.
Our outside backs still worry me...
-AJ, Reilly and Naden have not filled me with any confidence that they will be any type of solution moving forward.
-Nofa getting moved on would be good for both parties I reckon.
-Tupou is a keeper with plenty of potential (just very hot and cold at this point of his career).
-To'a is also hot and cold. Needs some pressure in the centre position so his spot isn't guaranteed. Happy to keep him, but still need to see him become more consistent.
-Feledy also still has some developing to do on his game. Needs to be in Cup now to start helping him transition into 1st grade sooner rather than later.
Hopefully we can offload a few contracts between now and November 1 and replace them with some quality.
Tom Shines
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Gotta start thinking of AJ as a second rower and depth only… he doesn’t have the smarts to play in the backs
Why he was extended I will never know… but I think we are stuck with him as why would anyone else want him?
Reilly is the invisible man… which is a worry given the state of our backline this year and still can’t get a run? ( is he injured?)
Naden is here another two years … not the worst in the team but lacks discipline
liltiger
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Think the whole issue is that next year it's supposedly 7. The bigger problem is though all the coaching staff are Moses clients. The media are saying when Seibold signed there was only 1 Moses player on the books, there is a trajectory Manly will want to keep an eye on.Ha, I think I have fallen for some fake news.
The Daily telegraph (man they are Horrible for accuracy, seriously dumb). said that 19/30 of their players were managed by Issac Moses.
Sea Eagles' Player management list for 2023
Manly Warringah Sea Eagles would like to clarify the list of player management agencies the Club is using in season 2023.
clearly it is only 5.
Funny too how Manly have been bagged over clearing up the situation which was made by the Fake daily telegraph.
liltiger
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Apparently According to SEN if we don't make finals next year Steph becomes a free agent
liltiger
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With our defence though, it's like beating a one legged bloke in an arse kicking contest.
earl
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That is definitely a non issue.
Red88_Tiger
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Isn’t he able to negotiate from November next year anyway. Would only be 6 months earlier unless we climb the ladder to 9th then it’s 3 months. Not really a big issue imo as if he’s unhappy he would only be waiting until November anyway
He has plateaued unfortunately since his return from his ankle injury last year.
Atasi James looks more dominant at the moment. With Pole, Klemmer and Twal plus juniors coming through he may not be a priority.
Saturnalia
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Lomax salary check in.
Still at $700k.
Still at $700k.
earl
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I meant we are definitely making the finals next year. Stef was really good against the Dragons but he hasn't been good this season. He plays a couple of good games a season and that doesn't really cut it.
I think he is a prop we can build around but he is a work in progress and I'm not sure he will be better than Pole.
liltiger
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Wish I had your confidence
FrodoTBaggin
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Interesting, seems like the 2 I am missing are TDS and Mansfield. Neither have actually been confirmed anywhere though like Galvin has. I would expect TDS in the top 30 but honestly doubt Mansfield is there, I just checked zero tackles list and they have Mansfield as a ? for 2023 and 2024. Faagutu is the forward we should upgrade. We have 6 second rowers for 24 as it is.
supercoach
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Well if we need to make eight next year in order to keep the big fella’s contract, looks like he will be a free agent.
You don’t go from stone motherless last to eight in a season without signing a couple of elite players who are at the top of their games. I expect a climb up the ladder but not nine places. Of course we don’t know what signings we may get, but with limited available roster spots I don’t think things are going to change greatly
You don’t go from stone motherless last to eight in a season without signing a couple of elite players who are at the top of their games. I expect a climb up the ladder but not nine places. Of course we don’t know what signings we may get, but with limited available roster spots I don’t think things are going to change greatly
Mansfield will be in the Top 30 next year unless things change.
Was a part of his Development Contract that he automatically enters the 30 in 2024.
Same situation as Lomi Saukuru heading into this season.
CornerPost
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Just looking at your post JB - As it stands for 2024..
Tuki- Wakeham - Talau- Saukuru - Ma'anamai- Laurie - Camroux- Brooks - Seyfarth & Smith... Are either gone or haven't been offered a contract .. if we could find a club to take on Nofa, kepeoa, Reilly and Nagatikaura's( only because I don't think we need 4 hookers) contracts.. Then, if we could Jag ,Tass.. Tracey.. Sami and Sullivan ( all seem to be achievable)..resign Staines.. include all the upgraded players.. this could be our list next year.. I've just put them in approximate positions, obviously a fair few can cover multiple positions..
Fullback-
Bula
Wingers-
Tupou- Staines- Sami-
Centres-
Tass- Toa- Naden- Feledy
5/8-
Tracey- Fainu- Doueihi- Galvin
1/2-
Sezer- Sullivan
Props-
Klemmer- Steff- James- Pole- Twal- Sione Fainu
Hookers-
Api- Da Silva- Simpkin
Backrowers-
Papali'i- Bateman- Blore- Sam Fainu- Mansfield- Matamua- Tumeth
That's 30 players..
We've also got both Laulili'i brothers- Miller- Craig and anyone else they may have there eyes on that wasn't on the current list..
Presuming we don't Jag Lomax( personally I think we'd be a great signing) I wouldn't mind this team for round 1 2024..
1- Bula
2- Tupou-
3- Tass
4- Sami
5- Staines
6- Tracey
7- Sezer
8- Stef
9- API c
10- Klemmer
11- Papali'i
12- Blore-
13- Bateman
14- Da Silva
15- James
16- Pole
17- Sam Fainu
18- Twal
19- Sullivan
20- Naden
21- Latu Fainu
22- Matamua
23- Simpkin
24- Toa
25- Faaguta
26- Feledy
27- Mansfield
28- Doueihi
29- Galvin
30- Sione Fainu
Tigers_Wests
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They have stuffed AJ around playing too many positions. Needed to pick and stick. We will have 2nd rower depth ahead of him next year you would think (Papali'i, Bateman, Blore, Samuela Fainu, Tumeth, Mansfield). I reckon he would be free to leave if someone does actually want him.
Reilly should be given the last 6 games of the year instead of Talau. In cup he seems good enough with the ball, but is let down defensively at times. At least see what he can do in the NRL.
Naden should be have locked in a centre spot, but I agree...discipline lets him down. Ok for depth, but would prefer a consistent performer ahead of him.
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