Referendum 2023

[Magpie_Magic]

The constitution is just vague. I think in keeping with the constitution this proposal must provide framework but not necessarily details:

2. The constitutional design

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"Constitutions explain only a fraction of how democratic governments actually work, but they do provide the organizational and procedural framework for government action. There are two aspects of the Australian Constitution that make it particularly interesting. One is the way in which it attempts to combine responsible government with strong bicameralism. The other is the number of critically important provisions that cannot be found in the Constitution—or that can be found only by implication, and then only by those who know where to look and how to read between the lines."

Some highlights from the Constitution. Have any of you read this stuff? I find it pretty interesting. We are 100% a colony:

61. The executive power of the Commonwealth is vested in the Queen and is exercisable by the Governor-General as the Queen’s representative, and extends to the execution and maintenance of this Constitution, and of the laws of the Commonwealth.

62. There shall be a Federal Executive Council to advise the Governor-General in the government of the Commonwealth, and the members of the Council shall be chosen and summoned by the Governor-General and sworn as Executive Councillors, and shall hold office during his pleasure.

63. The provisions of this Constitution referring to the Governor-General in Council shall be construed as referring to the Governor-General acting with the advice of the Federal Executive Council.

64. The Governor-General may appoint officers to administer such departments of State of the Commonwealth as the Governor-General in Council may establish.
Such officers shall hold office during the pleasure of the Governor-General. They shall be members of the Federal Executive Council, and shall be the Queen’s Ministers of State for the Commonwealth.
After the first general election no Minister of State shall hold office for a longer period than three months unless he is or becomes a senator or a member of the House of Representatives.

And later from that article:

'Nowhere does the Constitution mention the prime minister, the Cabinet, or the concept or practice of responsible government by which the prime minister and Cabinet continue in office only so long as they continue to enjoy the confidence of a majority of the Members of the House of Representatives. The only hint of such things is the requirement that each minister must be, or soon become, a member of the House or Senate.'

Just a reminder that this was not set up to be truly anybody's country, not for the Aboriginals not for colonisers, not for later migrants or the most recent ones.

Just set up to be exploited if your lucky and that way inclined. The country has seemingly always been governed this way as a colony without a clear identity.

The constitution is clear........it's just an angloshere establishment controlled continent.

At least the original authors seemed to have projected this in the Constitution.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

And wear sheep wool on their head without looking stupid as the cross the traffic streets. Only in the CBD. Not suburbs. The Working Class Man.

Maybe his trying to pull the wool over our eyes.

 

[LeichhardtTiger]

I agree that a treaty would be preferable.

I think the concept of a voice is a good idea in that obviously (and despite the money being thrown towards it) current attempts to address disadvantage are not working. Perhaps a voice will lead to an overhaul of these failing attempts and establish some useful ones.

However I believe in reality a voice will achieve very little and despite obviously being very Pro-Indigenous reparations I'm borderline anti-Voice due to my pessimism of the whole thing.

$34bn a year is being "thrown" at about 350K people who are legit indig. They have a dedicated Federal Minister to oversee that Spend. Why can't the Minister perform her job? Sadly she is a Gucci Indig? There are over 100 Indig agencies plus every Govt (Fed & State) has specific Indig welfare roles. Unfortunately, the remote indig are cannon fodder for the left BS over the voice. It should be called The VICE! Labor Scum = Communism,

 

[Spartan117]

Why should people who were not alive during colonisation sign a treaty with other people who were not alive during colonisation?

Great post!

This is a money grab.

 

[Spartan117]

Look up on YouTube

Lydia Thorpe insulting Australia

Noel Pears

Marcia langdon

And the communist lover Thomas Mayo.

These are that activists that will benefit from the voice.

After 200 years, we are all Australians.

 

[Mistymuzzle]

Good summary

 

[Siberian Kitten]

What if The Voice is taken over by just a few powerful tribal groups who help themselves and neglect others, as happened with ATSIC? However, since ATSIC was not in the Constitution, a body that had clearly become corrupt was able to be disbanded.

What happens if the Voice committee becomes corrupt? It can never be scrapped for poor performance, so the The Voice is unaccountable. Hagipantelis and Pascoe have shown us what happens when there no formal accountability.

 

[Kaito]

What if this, what if that.

the voice vote is pretty straight forward if you've done your
research and haven't given in to the scare mongering.
nobody is coming for your land or your hip pockets.
Funny how the liberals are so concerned about
corruption now in 2023. Give me a damn break lol

 

[Tucker]

What if The Voice is taken over by just a few powerful tribal groups who help themselves and neglect others, as happened with ATSIC? However, since ATSIC was not in the Constitution, a body that had clearly become corrupt was able to be disbanded.

What happens if the Voice committee becomes corrupt? It can never be scrapped for poor performance, so the The Voice is unaccountable. Hagipantelis and Pascoe have shown us what happens when there no formal accountability.

I think it is a definite possibility.
Albanese has committed to the Uluṟu Statement in full.
The moron has stated he hasn’t read it, but has committed to it in full!
There are videos out there containing leading figures who helped create the statement directly contradicting his message about the Voice and the limited impact it will have. They are on record stating it is a document with over 15 pages plus annexes - he is condescendingly yelling that it is 1 page long.
They are saying the Voice will be the first step in their plan for treaty and reparations. They have not hidden their intentions.

Albanese has been so blasé about everything to do with this…the guy cried when he announced the referendum FFS. He has run around the country and drummed up support for a yes campaign including big end of town, unions, celebrities and sporting organisations, has a huge war chest for marketing and is attacking his opponents with fury….yet he apparently HAS NOT READ the entire Uluṟu Statement from the Heart!

This has a huge stench to it. We had a blowup yesterday on here that got a bit out of hand surrounding concerns of corruption. The ones who will get themselves appointed to the Voice commission will not be everyday citizens. They will be these same activists. They will introduce “Truth Telling” which will be a distorted history of the country that will favour their narrative only. They already do it in schools up here. It’s “their truth” and it’s dangerous. From there, they’ll embark upon implementing the worst parts of the Uluṟu Statement….the one Albanese hasn’t read but SUPPORTS IN FULL!!!

The more you look into it, the worse this gets.

 

[Tucker]

What if this, what if that. he voice
vote is pretty straight forward if you've done your
research and haven't given in to the scare mongering.
nobody is coming for your land or your hip pockets.
Funny how the liberals are so concerned about
corruption now in 2023. Give me a damn break lol

This is such a naive statement.
Go and do some actual research.
Talk to people outside of your city bubble.

 

[yeti]

That's a mixed bag comment. Honestly it sounds like you want the LIdia Thorpe solution to the problem.

You may have a case " Cook planted the flag and declared it 'for King and Country', (under terra nullius), he committed an illegal act, as the land was already inhabited."... The land was inhabited. Who are we to tell people what to do or how to live on land they inhabit?

All said this referendum has about absolutely zero with Soverign citizens loading guns and shooting up cops that want to do welfare checks on them. Some people really write some BS on the internet and when you hear someone BS'ing you, know that they are doing so to keep you down.

The people that are going to take your regional land are the Mining companies. They just need to say they have "found minerals" and will execute a mining license. If not on your property, on your incoming water. ...

What are you talking about? "Sovereign citizens loading guns and shooting up cops..."?
Firstly, its an oxymoron to suggest Citizens can't be sovereign. By definition its not possible - yet more B.S. coming from media and politicians. And I'm not sure why you brought up the shooting in Qld. That has nothing to do with any point I was making - not that I can see, anyway.
And I could care less about Lidia Thorpe or what she stands for. So don't try and tell me what I want.
This is a politically initiated referendum which in itself is unconstitutional.
We already have 3278 Aboriginal corporations
243 Native title bodies
48 land councils
35 regional councils
122 Aboriginal agencies
3 advisory bodies
145 health organisations
11 indigenous federal MPs
$33 billion annually in funding
If the indigenous folk who need the help aren't getting it, then serious questions should be asked of the existing organisations tasked with providing it. Enshrining yet another level of bureaucracy over the top of what is already there is madness.

 

[The Chad]

What are you talking about? "Sovereign citizens loading guns and shooting up cops..."?
Firstly, its an oxymoron to suggest Citizens can't be sovereign. By definition its not possible - yet more B.S. coming from media and politicians. And I'm not sure why you brought up the shooting in Qld. That has nothing to do with any point I was making - not that I can see, anyway.
And I could care less about Lidia Thorpe or what she stands for. So don't try and tell me what I want.
This is a politically initiated referendum which in itself is unconstitutional.
We already have 3278 Aboriginal corporations
243 Native title bodies
48 land councils
35 regional councils
122 Aboriginal agencies
3 advisory bodies
145 health organisations
11 indigenous federal MPs
$33 billion annually in funding
If the indigenous folk who need the help aren't getting it, then serious questions should be asked of the existing organisations tasked with providing it. Enshrining yet another level of bureaucracy over the top of what is already there is madness.

I had no idea that there were already this many layers of existing organisations available.

 

[shiretiger]

A treaty will bankrupt the country

Treaties are between Sovereign States.

Australia is a Sovereign State.

Which Aboriginal Sovereign State does Australia enter a Treaty with?

 

[Tucker]

What are you talking about? "Sovereign citizens loading guns and shooting up cops..."?
Firstly, its an oxymoron to suggest Citizens can't be sovereign. By definition its not possible - yet more B.S. coming from media and politicians. And I'm not sure why you brought up the shooting in Qld. That has nothing to do with any point I was making - not that I can see, anyway.
And I could care less about Lidia Thorpe or what she stands for. So don't try and tell me what I want.
This is a politically initiated referendum which in itself is unconstitutional.
We already have 3278 Aboriginal corporations
243 Native title bodies
48 land councils
35 regional councils
122 Aboriginal agencies
3 advisory bodies
145 health organisations
11 indigenous federal MPs
$33 billion annually in funding
If the indigenous folk who need the help aren't getting it, then serious questions should be asked of the existing organisations tasked with providing it. Enshrining yet another level of bureaucracy over the top of what is already there is madness.

Great post detailing the madness that surrounds Idigenous affairs in this country.

 

[Tucker]

Treaties are between Sovereign States.

Australia is a Sovereign State.

Which Aboriginal Sovereign State does Australia enter a Treaty with?

👍🏼

 

[Tucker]

I had no idea that there were already this many layers of existing organisations available.

How did you think all the money gets eaten up?
All those entities supplying services yet remote communities still live very rough. People blame the Government in entirety…that’s insane.

 

[Spartan117]

Albanese has committed to the Uluṟu Statement in full.
The moron has stated he hasn’t read it, but has committed to it in full!

There are videos out there containing leading figures who helped create the statement directly contradicting his message about the Voice and the limited impact it will have. They are on record stating it is a document with over 15 pages plus annexes - he is condescendingly yelling that it is 1 page long.
They are saying the Voice will be the first step in their plan for treaty and reparations. They have not hidden their intentions.


The more you look into it, the worse this gets.

These are precisely the lies that make me stand up and Speak out.

What else are they lying about??

 

[Siberian Kitten]

Funny how the liberals are so concerned about
corruption now in 2023. Give me a damn break lol

Fail. I haven't voted Liberal for 45 years. When you assume ...

 

[Kaito]

Fail. I haven't voted Liberal for 45 years. When you assume ...

I wasn't referring to you, was speaking generally

@Spartan117 editing posts now for blasphemy?

 

[426Tlgerland]

Great post detailing the madness that surrounds Idigenous affairs in this country.

I had no idea that there was so many bodies etc in place now , and the spend seems large ,