Referendum 2023

[colinbh]

Why should people who were not alive during colonisation sign a treaty with other people who were not alive during colonisation?

Or people who have not committed any crime, pay people who have not had any crime committed against them?

 

[bptiger 0]

Thanks Chad. I'm always grateful we live in a country where people are free to disagree. As I posted earlier I'll be voting 'yes', but I'll agree the Yes campaign hasn't done a good job explaining itself. I suppose what's hard about giving the details of what the voice will say is we don't know exactly what advice this body will give yet. Only that we are giving Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people a chance to contribute to policies that affect them in the future - and the advice they give will be about policies that affect them. I think that's what's confusing. It's like having no member input on Wests Tigers Board. The decisions they make affect us but we don't get to contribute to them. And even if we were given a voice we couldn't say in advance exactly what changes to policy we would make. But we would have a lot of opinions on what is being done wrong. (not a good analogy but it's the first thing that came to mind). But cheers for thinking deeply on this. My family works in healthcare, so lot of respect for people who work in that field.

I hear u , u actually come across as a genuine person , but I think u have to look to the activists within the so called 1st nations people , these people who are whiter than me making claims that all other Australians will have to pay for the invasion and we want our land back , must of these people are millionaires and they see this as a way to keep there income coming , while the pure people living in the outback don’t see much of the money that is handed out , I think ur cause would be helped if the people screaming crap , where not see as in city elites, maybe we need a law saying u must be a certain % to be a spokes person , in the end yes we need to help the people who need help but that’s got to be done on both sides , get the kids into school out in the outback , make sure there feed and have health care , and the rest will come , not by handouts that will never end . Just my thoughts

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Legal definitions of Aboriginality | ALRC

Early definitions36.11 The legal historian, John McCorquodale, has reported that since the time of white settlement, governments have used no less than 67 classifications, descriptions or definitions to determine who is an Aboriginal person.[9]36.12 The ALRC discussed the definition of an...

www.alrc.gov.au

 

[Red88_Tiger]

My personal feeling is that labour government doesn’t care if it gets passed or not. If it gets across the line then they will worry about the details
They banking on picking up the indigenous and woke voters for next time around

 

[Muffstar]

I take a bit of notice when Jacinta Price speaks. She makes a lot of sense and seems pretty grounded.

I can actually see her as PM one day.

 

[twentyforty]

I take a bit of notice when Jacinta Price speaks. She makes a lot of sense and seems pretty grounded.

I can actually see her as PM one day.

I also like the way her Father speaks.

 

[Telltails]

What are you talking about? "Sovereign citizens loading guns and shooting up cops..."?
Firstly, its an oxymoron to suggest Citizens can't be sovereign. By definition its not possible - yet more B.S. coming from media and politicians. And I'm not sure why you brought up the shooting in Qld. That has nothing to do with any point I was making - not that I can see, anyway.
And I could care less about Lidia Thorpe or what she stands for. So don't try and tell me what I want.
This is a politically initiated referendum which in itself is unconstitutional.
We already have 3278 Aboriginal corporations
243 Native title bodies
48 land councils
35 regional councils
122 Aboriginal agencies
3 advisory bodies
145 health organisations
11 indigenous federal MPs
$33 billion annually in funding
If the indigenous folk who need the help aren't getting it, then serious questions should be asked of the existing organisations tasked with providing it. Enshrining yet another level of bureaucracy over the top of what is already there is madness.

Plenty of voices there. Great post.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

My personal feeling is that labour government doesn’t care if it gets passed or not. If it gets across the line then they will worry about the details
They banking on picking up the indigenous and woke voters for next time around

One of mottos re politicians are: " How do you know that a politician lies? When he/she opens his/her mouth!"
and "Never trust politicians, even when they bring presents"!
Both parties can hardly wait for an issue such as this.
Evidence you ask? Just a few years back J Gillard and P Wong campaigned against the SSM, and it passed only because the LNP brought it up. But now the ALP (including before mentioned individuals), acts like it was their effort all along.
Were they lying than, or they lie now?🤔😡

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Most people i know who say they are going to vote no are only doing so because they have been persuaded by the scare and misinformation campaigns ran by the LNP.

My son came under pressure from his girlfriend's family about voting no. I was proud he said to his girlfriend's father that he will vote in a way that he believes will improve the lives of indigenous Australians which is yes. These people are good people but loved Scott Morrison as their local member.

 

[jadtiger]

My son came under pressure from his girlfriend's family about voting no. I was proud he said to his girlfriend's father that he will vote in a way that he believes will improve the lives of indigenous Australians which is yes. These people are good people but loved Scott Morrison as their local member.

It is good to see that you have raised your son to have good moral principles and that he will stick by them under pressure.My son will also be voting yes and he is in his 40's now and his long time partner/wife will also be voting yes.You should be very proud of your son.
When i die i will always know that all my life i have tried to make this world a better and more humane place than what is was when i was born

 

[Tucker]

My personal feeling is that labour government doesn’t care if it gets passed or not. If it gets across the line then they will worry about the details
They banking on picking up the indigenous and woke voters for next time around

Yeah you are probably right…from their end it looks like it’s been orchestrated to fail, meanwhile they take the high ground and blame Liberals.

 

[Kaito]

I take a bit of notice when Jacinta Price speaks. She makes a lot of sense and seems pretty grounded.

I can actually see her as PM one day.

Lmao no way. Our very own Candace Owens

 

[full80]

I hear u , u actually come across as a genuine person , but I think u have to look to the activists within the so called 1st nations people , these people who are whiter than me making claims that all other Australians will have to pay for the invasion and we want our land back , must of these people are millionaires and they see this as a way to keep there income coming , while the pure people living in the outback don’t see much of the money that is handed out , I think ur cause would be helped if the people screaming crap , where not see as in city elites, maybe we need a law saying u must be a certain % to be a spokes person , in the end yes we need to help the people who need help but that’s got to be done on both sides , get the kids into school out in the outback , make sure there feed and have health care , and the rest will come , not by handouts that will never end . Just my thoughts

Thanks BP. If nothing else this referendum has been an opportunity for people to talk about these issues and engage with others whose views are genuine but sometimes coming from a different place. The idea of identity in Indigenous communities, is, as you say, not an easy one. For starters there are over a hundred seperate language groups, so even talking about "one Aboriginal experience" is tricky. Mob in the Pilbara do not have the same experiences as those in Mudgee. Like a lot of people I recently found out I have Aboriginal heritage, through my grandmother. But I was never raised with this knowledge and would never say I speak for anyone. I grew up white and proud of my Anglo-English heritage. But there are a lot of others I know well who have grown up in an Aboriginal family - even though they are light skinned - who feel differently. Having spent a bit of time in remote communities for work, I totally agree that more needs to be done and the right way. I suppose I just see that involving those communities in decisions could be a good place to start. Anyway, good to talk, thanks for the message.

 

[Kaito]

My personal feeling is that labour government doesn’t care if it gets passed or not. If it gets across the line then they will worry about the details
They banking on picking up the indigenous and woke voters for next time around

Bit cynical. They don't need to pick up voters,
coalition aren't within a cooee of Labor party
when it comes to votes and preferred PM.

Regardless of the results of the referendum,
by the time of the next election, the voice will
back at the back of everyone's mind anyway

 

[Siberian Kitten]

My son came under pressure from his girlfriend's family about voting no. I was proud he said to his girlfriend's father that he will vote in a way that he believes will improve the lives of indigenous Australians which is yes. These people are good people but loved Scott Morrison as their local member.

It's intrusive and patronising to hassle people about their vote. It's their business, and they will have their own reasons.

 

[Tucker]

It is good to see that you have raised your son to have good moral principles and that he will stick by them under pressure.My son will also be voting yes and he is in his 40's now and his long time partner/wife will also be voting yes.You should be very proud of your son.
When i die i will always know that all my life i have tried to make this world a better and more humane place than what is was when i was born

Wow…how to describe this post?
Virtue signaling? Elitist? Smug? Condescending?
How nice that you feel so superior because your son and his wife will vote a certain way. Your job is done now. You now can backslap yourself until you fall off the perch. What a terrific contribution you will have made. Three cheers for you.
Meanwhile, a lot of those voting no will actively look for better solutions, will work with the Referendum Council to actually improve the lives of the people that this is about. That doesn’t matter though because you got down from your high horse for an hour and wrote yes on a piece of paper. You really should be inline for sainthood.

 

[jadtiger]

Wow…how to describe this post?
Virtue signaling? Elitist? Smug? Condescending?
How nice that you feel so superior because your son and his wife will vote a certain way. Your job is done now. You now can backslap yourself until you fall off the perch. What a terrific contribution you will have made. Three cheers for you.
Meanwhile, a lot of those voting no will actively look for better solutions, will work with the Referendum Council to actually improve the lives of the people that this is about. That doesn’t matter though because you got down from your high horse for an hour and wrote yes on a piece of paper. You really should be inline for sainthood.

I suggest you stick to football issues because at least then you sometimes make sense

 

[shiretiger]

My son came under pressure from his girlfriend's family about voting no. I was proud he said to his girlfriend's father that he will vote in a way that he believes will improve the lives of indigenous Australians which is yes. These people are good people but loved Scott Morrison as their local member.

Yeah, The Shire is full of rascist deplorable bogans. I'm glad that they lost last weekend.

 

[Tucker]

Regardless of the results of the referendum,
by the time of the next election, the voice will
back at the back of everyone's head anyway

This is the bit that shits me about the Yes Campaign.
They don’t care nearly as much as they claim.
Didn’t get up? Meh drop it and move on.
Don’t worry, there’s still plenty out there that will pull your weight and get a result, long after you’ve ceased giving a damn.

 

[WesternSuburbsBoy]

I usually like to stay out of topics like these but wanted to give my 2 cents. As a young bloke this referendum feels like a slap in the face to all of us worrying about how the future looks... at this rate we'll never be able to afford to buy a house, some people I know have had to move back in with their parents because the rental market is crazy, the cost of living is shooting up like a rocket but the minimum wage is hardly increasing & yet all I see over the news is our PM wearing a vote yes shirt. If he really cared that much about Aboriginals why doesn't he head over to NT & try & actually do something over there with all the problems they got going on?

You say you're voting no you get accused of being a racist & not caring about our first nation people which is a total load of BS. I understand that what happened to the Aboriginal people was sad, heart breaking, unfair & completely undeserved but this happened over 100 years ago & what can anyone do about it today? Is that a racist thing to say or is that the truth? There are plenty of programmes/initiatives that our first nations people receive as many people here have noted out.

It feels like the world has moved towards a landscape of catering to minorities & no one is really tackling any issues to help EVERYONE which is causing more & more division/unrest amongst the population. Referendums like the SSM bill you can get behind because it's just handing people basic human rights but this Referendum just seems like a big what if & we've hardly heard what this Referendum is set out to achieve just our PM walking around Redfern in a vote yes shirt.