Lee & JP finally lose the confidence of the Board??

The Fresh Oil said:
Now now Vicious. Your stupidity is bleeding into other posts.

My post was directed at someone who was saying reviewing the current operations at the club could be disruptive. I was simply highlighting how Vicious levels of stupidity that thought process is.

Thanks for proving my point though! Keep up the good work!
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You sure are a solutions man.
You should be heading this review with all the answers you provide.
Cochise can we get TheFreshOil involved in this review please ?
 
Vicious said:
You sure are a solutions man.
You should be heading this review with all the answers you provide.
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Still waiting on that plan Vicious.

Please don’t tell me it’s just hoping that the pathways produce superstars! Please tell me it’s more than that Vicious. I’d hate for you to be fighting so hard for a plan that’s a , at best a Hail Mary solution done by a club that has no idea. Please tell us this plan that’ll fix everything!
 
cochise said:
It's only disruptive due to the way some people are dealing with it.

I have been involved in a number of reviews in my career and have never found them to be disruptive.
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You mean the people that took it to the media originally?
Who did that again?
Or maybe you're talking about the high profile ex players that went off in the media after being asked their opinion for the only possible reason of TAKING IT TO THE MEDIA.
The HYPOCRISY OF IT ALL.

Lee bad man take bad joojoo to media.
Me good man make more listener podcast take bad man to media.
 
The Fresh Oil said:
Still waiting on that plan Vicious.

Please don’t tell me it’s just hoping that the pathways produce superstars! Please tell me it’s more than that Vicious. I’d hate for you to be fighting so hard for a plan that’s a , at best a Hail Mary solution done by a club that has no idea. Please tell us this plan that’ll fix everything!
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We have a handful of positive Wests Tigers supporters on this forum led by yourself that know everything and with your input we would be top 8 in no time.
Problem is they keep all the information to themselves 🤷‍♂️
 
Vicious said:
If you have that attitude and cannot understand it’s almost impossible to dig ourselves out of the hole we are in within one season, then don’t attend the games in 2024.
The better attitude would be to say I can see the club has a positive plan in place to improve the on field results, I understand it may not happen straight away in 2024, but I am a true fan I will stick solid and support them by attending as much as possible in 2024 with the hope it will be all worthwhile if/when we become successful in 2025.
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His whole point is that based off recent history we can’t trust the club to stick to the plan that’s currently in place which is true.
 
Vicious said:
We have a handful of positive Wests Tigers supporters on this forum led by yourself that know everything and with your input we would be top 8 in no time.
Problem is they keep all the information to themselves 🤷‍♂️
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Just answer the question.

What
Is
The
Plan


It’s really simple, you talk about it a lot. Tell us what it is?

My guess is you don’t know and I go back to my original statement of you being Dim/delusional.
 
Lee gets crucified for telling people he was re-elected.
Cochise would have you believe that's a terrible thing.
To me that's what transparent people do, they tell the truth. Was he supposed to hide the vote of an election.
The shit only hit the fan when a board member asked him to resign.......in the middle of the review.
Why would he do that? Why not wait until the review is concluded and then ask him to resign.
It's a board shitfight and the coaches, players and fans are paying the price.

Transparency is vilified and deception is praised.
 
cochise said:
We couldn't possibly be any further from winning the comp.
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@Vicious we did win the comp, we had no idea how to capitalise off that both as a business and a football team.
So we might fluke another 1 in the next ten years.
I’ll also guarantee we’ll be having this conversation again in 10 years time if nothing changes for the better now.
 
Todd Packer said:
You're a fan, not a customer.
We're not making Rice Bubbles and you're commenting on the taste.
As a fan I have zero idea how to run a successful football club, neither do you.
All either of us could contribute is the one time at band camp when Lee was mean.

When you want to cure a disease you ask for the input of scientists and Doctors. You don't ask the cleaning lady for her opinion.
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A business cannot be compared to a disease.

Businesses have stakeholders, fans/members are major stakeholders and therefore have a say, as with no fans/members the club doesn't exist. And as a stakeholder, I and every other fan do have a say in what happens with the club that we invest our money and time into.

Do we know how to run a football club? Most of us, no.

Do we have the right to have an opinion on if we think it is being run correctly? Absolutely.

Should it be heard? Of course.

It is the same as every business that wants to succeed, they talk to their clients and customers to see what they feel is working and not working, and make changes to improve. If they don't they are destined to fail. This review has done just that and we should be happy that it happened and wasn't kept completely behind closed doors.

Will the fans say have a major impact in changes? Probably not, but if the concerns raised match with those of people who do have insight, then it just adds more evidence to support any decisions that the review may raise.

Is it fair that only a couple of fans got to have that say? Not really. But at the same time they were the ones who organised the petition and gathered the opinions of those fans that voiced their frustrations through it, and I would hope that the petition itself, along with the comments that were given in it were looked at to give a broad overview of the frustrations that fans have.
 
WesternSuburbsBoy said:
Needaname said:
@Vicious we did win the comp, we had no idea how to capitalise off that both as a business and a football team.
So we might fluke another 1 in the next ten years.
I’ll also guarantee we’ll be having this conversation again in 10 years time if nothing changes for the better now.
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His whole point is that based off recent history we can’t trust the club to stick to the plan that’s currently in place which is true.
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Agree 💯.
The management of the club was very different back then.
As we are a merged club, there is a lot more to take into consideration when running Wests Tigers compared to all the other clubs except St George-Illawarra who are in a similar predicament.
If managed properly and the on field results are good, a merged club that stems from two former clubs that were initially formed from working class areas can be a huge success.
When on field results are poor there is always going to be criticism and unrest no matter what.
 
Todd Packer said:
The coach thinks it's disruptive.
The player managers think it's disruptive.
The player manager that's reported to be refusing to deal with the club because of what's going on thinks it's disruptive.
The fact is that we will be running around with a team in 2024 that is less than it could be because of what you have instigated.
The thing I know is that you'll tell yourself it would've happened anyway.
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Where is this stated outside the garbage journo articles trying to paint the club in a bad light again?

Do we have any direct quotes of the opinions of these people or just lines of "sources have stated" or "we are hearing".

The fact is that the club has had back to back wooden spoons, have had no success in a decade. Players have changed, coaches have changed, and yet nothing has improved.

Disruptions occur during reviews, it is natural. Anyone professional will understand this, and should be accepting of it, knowing that it can only attempt to be of benefit for all. And if not, well, maybe they are also part of the problem.
 
So to all the Benji believers, when he’s sacked mid year who you believing in then?

Keep up people, that’s how it rolls.
 
Don't board members get elected on boards because they have proper credentials and business acumen to run proper governance and the like. Why do we need a review from a 'so called' independent person when the board should know this stuff anyway. This is why they get elected on to the board in the first place isn't it. If these board members cannot be removed what is the point of the review. We are just going around in circles. I can't wait for the media to line us up again if nothing changes at board level.
 
Kaito said:
Respect 2 him but Fulton should only act as
sort of consultant/advisor role at the first
grade level. Coach needs to be supported
more and have the last say, it should always
fall on their necks too when it comes to the
roster. Leaves less room for how and where
things went wrong at the end of the season.
Fulton is still new to the role, need to be more
patient with him I reckon. Coaches need 2 B
held more accountable too. That's been a part
of the problem since we let JT take free reign.

I hope this isn't An orchestrated coup by the
board to keep themselves safe I wondered
that earlier on. I'm not questioning the integrity
of the guy running the review when it comes to
being independent, but it's easy to see why
some people would think that some decisions
have already been made behind closed doors.
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It was tragic that they had to destroy a coach
with their one upmanship. They hounded Sheens
out the door like a pack of wolves.
When a journo asked Sticky how Madge was going,
unsurprisingly he responded positively with a,
'he's doing really well.
since he got away from the politics.'
If nothing else happens from the review
I'd like to see the clique broken up.
The 4 board members who also sit on the WA
board can go. They would have to be the ones
singing from the same hymn book and giving
Pascoe and Hagipantelis a 6/3 advantage,
allowing them to run amok.
 
Vicious said:
We have a handful of positive Wests Tigers supporters on this forum led by yourself that know everything and with your input we would be top 8 in no time.
Problem is they keep all the information to themselves 🤷‍♂️
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I think we’ve been screaming pretty loudly what needs to change. Maybe take the rose coloured ear muffs off.
 
BAGNF05 said:
So to all the Benji believers, when he’s sacked mid year who you believing in then?

Keep up people, that’s how it rolls.
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Well, I thought he could be sacked mid 25, but if he's already blaming fans for an expected failure in 24, then he could be sacked sooner.
 
BAGNF05 said:
I think we’ve been screaming pretty loudly what needs to change. Maybe take the rose coloured ear muffs off.
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Not once have you or the people I’m referring to stated who should be coaching and what players need to stay/go or who can be recruited to make us more successful.
Others have stated the playing talent available to be recruited is very thin and believe it or not, many of our emerging young players are in high demand, hence the reason the emphasis on keeping the good ones we have and patience required to allow them to mature and become the quality NRL players they promise to become.
Benji is no idiot, he didn’t leave a cushy well paid job with Fox to come home to the Wests Tigers and take on what he always knew would be a massive challenge, without having extreme confidence he will succeed with the right amount of time and patience.
 
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