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Tucker said:
Everyone has prejudices.
Yours appears to me, that you associate nationalism/patriotism with the types who participated in the Cronulla Riots.
If that is incorrect I stand chastised and withdraw the comment.
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It's really interesting that you brought that up
because I was thinking about it earlier haha.
Maybe when I was younger 4 sure, Cronulla riots
shaped my views on nationalism/patriotism and
made me feel like I'm not Australian. I'm almost
40 and am able to compartmentalise much
better now thank God smh. I understand that
that was just a fringe minority of people in
society and not everyone is like that, I also realise
that the other side weren't without their faults
either. You don't have to withdraw shit it's all
good. We've had enough squabbles and back
and forths on here to say that I have a good
amount of respect for you & your views. I've taken
away a bit from what you say at times too.
I know it's just a footy forum but these hearty conversations are important to have as well
 
rugbygoated said:
Good point. Being woke is not just about 'learning' or educating though. It is an attitude of unnecessary and overexaggerated progressivism. The opposite of bogans/boomers who are too unwilling to change. People in privileged positions are usually the ones 'protesting' these things. University professors, celebrities, public servants, politicians. Many of these types have no idea of the reality that faces everyday Aussies that work hard for little in comparison and come from areas which aren't as privileged yet speak for them. It is arrogance. There are levels to raising awareness. I have joined groups for social issues in society such as government law changes as well as social justice issues. What is wrong, is using sport as an avenue to push 'inclusiveness'. Sport is an escape from the harsh realities of life. Not a place to bring politics in to which brings division and disagreement and takes away from the thing we came to, basically destroying the whole purpose of why people watch sport, for entertainment. It is the same with watching movies, the movie industry is being corrupted with woke revisionism of redefining storylines to suit a political agenda. Even video games. Things people use as an escape route from the world today. There's a difference between being a good virtuous person and being woke. A good virtuous person leads by example through their action and backs up what they say. They also don't shove their opinions (right or wrong) in other people's faces. A woke person is a hypocrite who typically is consistent with their values only in principle but not practically. They force their view on others and if you go against the hivemind or trend then you are cancelled for having a different opinion. They are very hypocritical. Having a neighbour who is exactly like this makes it even more clear to me
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Sorry if this is woke, but paragraphs can be your friend!
 
GNR4LIFE said:
Serious? What you claimed is a form of what people refer to as War on Christmas. That’s what people who complain call It. I’m saying it doesn’t exist.
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There are very vocal people who pop up every year to slam Christmas. They are the same types who pop up every year to slam Australia Day, ANZAC Day and other days we celebrate in this country such as Queens(King’s now) Birthday.
I don’t care if you don’t think they exist. I know they do and therefor I mentioned them.
 
Tucker said:
There are very vocal people who pop up every year to slam Christmas. They are the same types who pop up every year to slam Australia Day, ANZAC Day and other days we celebrate in this country such as Queens(King’s now) Birthday.
I don’t care if you don’t think they exist. I know they do and therefor I mentioned them.
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Who are they?
 
Kaito said:
Was it Ray Hadley or Ben Fordham? Haha. The
truth is, nobody was buying the cheap trinkets,
they're a business & were losing money off the
merchandise. People on the right complain about
cancel culture, but they're quick to cancel Woolies.
Same happened to Kmart last year when they
decided to pull Australia day items - the truth
is, is that they just weren't selling. Peter Dutton
was calling for a boycott of Woolies just the
other day, look what happened to this Woolies
store in QLD early this morning. Bloody activists

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These idiots who do this are a minority. Right or left wing. Realistically, I bet it is some young idiots using this as an opportunity to create some drama. Boycott Woolies in peace, they're entitled to sell what they want just as you are entitled to shop elsewhere
 
Kaito said:
It's really interesting that you brought that up
because I was thinking about it earlier haha.
Maybe when I was younger 4 sure, Cronulla riots
shaped my views on nationalism/patriotism and
made me feel like I'm not Australian. I'm almost
40 and am able to compartmentalise much
better now thank God smh. I understand that
that was just a fringe minority of people in
society and not everyone is like that, I also realise
that the other side weren't without their faults
either. You don't have to withdraw shit it's all
good. We've had enough squabbles and back
and forths on here to say that I have a good
amount of respect for you & your views. I've taken
away a bit from what you say at times too.
I know it's just a footy forum but these hearty conversations are important to have as well
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40? WTF Thought you were 16 tops
 
Kaito said:
Man there's so many points in this whole thread,
I've enjoyed the chat though, don't wanna nit-pick
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Having an honest opinion or point of view is a good thing....I remember my mum and dad had friends around on Aust day because they weren't rostered on for work,they ,ate conversed had some beers and were very happy to be part of the Aust day celebs...my parents came here after the war and helped build the railways,many of their friends were Italian,Greek as well as Polish and Germans they went and built the Snowy River power stations.because of these people of all mixed nationalities and cultures is what makes our country unique and beautiful...
 
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rugbygoated said:
These idiots who do this are a minority. Right or left wing. Realistically, I bet it is some young idiots using this as an opportunity to create some drama. Boycott Woolies in peace, they're entitled to sell what they want just as you are entitled to shop elsewhere
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Yeah 4 sure. I don't think this particular topic
should be reduced & watered down to a right
vs left thing, I know I'm guilty of feeding into
it at times too but it's a bit of a cop-out tbh. We
start labelling each other. Divisive. I think the far
left are as bat shit crazy as the right anyway.
I'm trying to understand shit & find common
ground most of the time. This isn't a competition
 
Kaito said:
What's your point? I don't celebrate it, I couldn't
give a shit about Australia day/invasion day. I
think I made that clear. I also said I dont care
how & what other people celebrate - good 4 them.

To suggest 27th isn't divisive is bullshit though.
A think that a lot of anglos harbour guilt because
they're only a couple of generations removed
from the atrocities commited against 1st peoples.

Heck, golliwogs only went out of fashion in the
last few decades lol. Like I said, be proud, celebrate
whatever you like, have a lamb BBQ, drape urself
in the union jack and get pissed, I'm happy 4 U
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I'm the the grandson of immigrants. Used to be called all those names. I'm not sure what that has to do with it?

I don't harbour any guilt at all...it has nothing to do with me. I am simply thankful Australia gave my family a chance to have a little better than what they had.

People celebrate in different ways and for different reasons.

My initial question to you was what day do you think is worthy of celebration in your mind? Is there a day that is important to you in some way?
 
Kaito said:
Yeah 4 sure. I don't think this particular topic
should be reduced & watered down to a right
vs left thing, I know I'm guilty of feeding into
it at times too but it's a bit of a cop-out tbh. We
start labelling each other. Divisive. I think the far
left are as bat shit crazy as the right anyway.
I'm trying to understand shit & find common
ground most of the time. This isn't a competition
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People come in different shapes and sizes. It's wrong to label people and judge them based on a small part of their identity. As we have seen with Antifa or the the KKK in the US, there is extreme versions on both sides. Government-wise, there is the left-wing communist governments of Russia or China that suppresses the rights of its citizens as well as the right wing dictatorships in Muslim countries that follow one religion and persecute others. Western culture is still the best, but ruining it by importing issues and changing important values to suit an individualist society rather than a collectivist one is going to ruin the future of generations to come
 
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