Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

Those stats are surprising and they don't necessarily match how the games through the year felt to me watching them.

Api made a huge difference though our middle defensively and once Bateman got into his groove a bit I thought our edge defence was far far better than it has been the past 3 or 4 years.

I think the middle period of the year when we had a decent run with health and we were starting to establish some combinations it looked like anything could happen.

Then once Api went down followed by Brooks and some of the middles (and with Doueihi already being out for the year) everyone realised it was a lost year and some guys noticeably took the foot off the pedal.

The first 2 games of the year really hurt us, narrow loses that really should have gone the other way, it set the tone and we didn't have enough belief in the squad that they could turn it around.

I think this year the senior guys get a bit more influence in the squad and really help to build some belief in the young kids.
The forwards got the job done last year, we just could not capitalise within the opposition 20.

Even if the defence improves marginally and our attack actually threatens inside the 20 we will win those types of games we let slip last year (and the year before, the one before that etc etc...)
 
First of all did you just respond to yourself?

Secondly I don't buy into all this "keep all your juniors" stuff. Or at least buy into the idea that clubs are not doing it or are indifferent to their junior bases. Of course clubs with decent junior bases should and will try to develop those regions. It's not as if Tigers don't do it and it's not as if Tigers lose tonnes of Macarthur juniors to other clubs.

I don't believe Penrith did anything magic in development to build a 3-peat team. They had the fortune of having a bunch of top-tier junior talent all come through together, all at once, having played in junior teams together. But what they did do was manage to bond all those players together, keep them going through the system with a clear pathway from juniors to seniors. It's not that they developed more juniors, it's that they were able to keep so many of them in a single and clearly-defined system - something Tigers have been replicating the past few years.

But Penrith also specifically unearthed some generational talent - they don't win the 2023 GF without Cleary.

Penrith also happen to sit on the biggest league base in the country, much bigger participation than Macarthur, so if any club is going to see a wide number of juniors it's them.

So if the argument was simply "teams get good by investing in their juniors and develop their talent" then teams like Roosters would never do well, which is clearly not true. There's a delicate balance with the larger junior bases and the funding is not infinite.

Even look at Tigers - got a good crop coming through Macarthur like Da Silva, Galvin, Miller, Large brothers, Laulli'i bros etc. But some of the most prominent juniors we have we headhunted - Faagutu from QLD and Fainu brothers from Parra juniors via Manly. Josh Feledy is from Manly.

So to me it's pretty clear Tigers have been consistently mining Macarthur for players for many years, but that top-level talent does not always eventuate. Some of that will be the general lack of talent, some will be Tigers inability to coach those kids to the next level. But I can barely think of a Macarthur junior who didn't end up in the Tigers juniors system, even if he was eventually headhunted by another club; I don't think it's so dire and I don't think we needed any part of the independent review to look at juniors (it wasn't part of their remit and it makes sense they didn't issue regional recommendations).
I think you’ll find the Roosters have relied on their ‘juniors’ a lot more than it seems. Sure they buy the best to play for them but only if there isn’t a kid within their system capable of doing the job better than a recruit. They may not necessarily be local to the area but Manu, Butcher brothers, Collins, Tupou and the back up forward pack, Wong, White, Baker (Broncos) have all been recruited as young players and brought up in the Roosters system.
Same as we are doing with Feledy, Faagatu, Pole.

Also it’s worth mentioning that the retained core at Penrith i.e the group on the big dollars and longest serving players were all recruited into the club. By chance prehaps? But JFH was picked up from NZ and brought into the Penrith system. Yeo, Edwards and Martin were of the benefit of the Panthers expanding their reach out to Bathurst and the western regions.
And finally the prodigal Cleary only came to Penrith because his Dad was recruited as a coach.
The players that have been offered modest contracts and all left for greener pastures including the soon to be Tiger Luai were all ‘from the area’ a term developed for the local boys that have progressed from the local schools into first grade. This is the important part as it seems that the the local boys are now providing the depth that has become an important part of the panthers remaining competitive despite losing nearly a whole first 17 over the past 3 years.

The best of best get. Identified and developed further by being included into the Penrith panthers JETs program (Junior Elite Training Scheme).

“Panthers established the JETS program in 2013 as a tool to 'fast track' select players with specialist coaching, mentoring and physical development.

The players, aged between 16 and 18, have been identified as standout performers in the club's Harold Matts, SG Ball and development squads.”

Note# Apologies I had to re-edit after reviewing this post as I got some of my points a bit muddled.
 
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Our defensive structure is the key. I thought our defense was pretty good till about halfway ghrough last year we just couldn’t score points. Furner was our defense coach then wasn’t he? Sheens gone so Furner gone.

Who is our defense coach this year? Morris, Heigno? Both?

It’s no good having a better attack with new halves if our defense is awful.
I think round 14 vs the Raiders was start of the end for our season even though we lost Api early in the Titans game round 15 it seemed as though the heads dropped after that narrow loss.
 
I think the scholars of the game thought he over-achieved at the sharks with their available cattle.

I really like the idea that Benji can bounce stuff off him at a moments notice about any aspect of his endeavours.

Also, it gives Benji some kind of respite if he chooses, bounce ideas off after a long day. He shouldn’t be alone. Sharing the load is vital, plus I’d like him to get new influences.

It was an inspired appointment in the circumstances.
Karen, you seem to have a great passion for our team. You've dropped in from nowhere, and have taken to posting like a natural. Quality thoughts, as well !
It's refreshing to read some new opinions, otherwise it's just The Same People posting. 😉
Welcome .
 
Karen, you seem to have a great passion for our team. You've dropped in from nowhere, and have taken to posting like a natural. Quality thoughts, as well !
It's refreshing to read some new opinions, otherwise it's just The Same People posting. 😉
Welcome .
What’s strange is that Karen seems to have the same ideas as a former poster named TSP
 
That's pretty piss poor.

I like Potter and think he is very under rated as a coach and has been hard done by on more than one occasion.
U can have your opinion that’s fine. But reality in the fact that no one wants him speaks more volume than your opinion.
Have u heard him speak at anything?? Press conferences, etc?? If u can’t tell that there’s not much going on upstairs, then that says more about you than him. Like brooks, potter can’t help that he’s dog shit dumb. He just shouldn’t be coaching anything above park football.
 
U can have your opinion that’s fine. But reality in the fact that no one wants him speaks more volume than your opinion.
Have u heard him speak at anything?? Press conferences, etc?? If u can’t tell that there’s not much going on upstairs, then that says more about you than him. Like brooks, potter can’t help that he’s dog shit dumb. He just shouldn’t be coaching anything above park football.
Harsh.
But not wrong.
 
Karen, you seem to have a great passion for our team. You've dropped in from nowhere, and have taken to posting like a natural. Quality thoughts, as well !
It's refreshing to read some new opinions, otherwise it's just The Same People posting. 😉
Welcome .
Thank you very much, much appreciated.

So far I’m really enjoying the chats and learning stuff. Lots of good insights.

I don’t look to see who has liked what.

I’ve got my reply from Shane and my membership package unboxing and quality testing to present here for fun.

For what it’s worth, I think now is the time for everyone to support the changes and member up.

Whether we approve of the coach, think Douhie is too expensive, don’t trust the new Manly kids, would give a kidney to see Api extend his playing career, once you’re a member, you have the run of the white elephant ( aka coe).

You want to join the club when we are still technically a basket case, owners of spoon… for boasting privileges in a couple of years.

If Lee is a “real man”, he will continue to sponsor the club beyond his contract.
I’m surprised we weren’t selling club fedoras at one point.
 
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But he was snapped up by Trent Robinson as an assistant, that says something to me but I’m not here trying to defend Taylor’s coaching credentials or otherwise,
I just didn’t like the way Farah got involved and handled it, the same as he did with Potter. I hope whatever role he has now at the Tigers he’s under strict control.
It was very VERY different with Taylor and Potter.

Potter, RF was interviewed by Gordon Tallis. "off the record, does Potter have what it takes?"
Farah "no".

Well Farah made the mistake of trusting GT. Yea, it looks foolish but Farah is a football player. I 100% give him the benefit of the doubt.

Re Taylor, RF was on 900k because the club was trying to pay back a 200k load to him (yes they loaned the club money). Taylor saw him as Over-valued and wanted to keep Taupau.

Totally makes sense, it took me awhile but Taylor was right. The problem was Taylor handled this with the personal skills of Red Simmons.
 
It was very VERY different with Taylor and Potter.

Potter, RF was interviewed by Gordon Tallis. "off the record, does Potter have what it takes?"
Farah "no".

Well Farah made the mistake of trusting GT. Yea, it looks foolish but Farah is a football player. I 100% give him the benefit of the doubt.

Re Taylor, RF was on 900k because the club was trying to pay back a 200k load to him (yes they loaned the club money). Taylor saw him as Over-valued and wanted to keep Taupau.

Totally makes sense, it took me awhile but Taylor was right. The problem was Taylor handled this with the personal skills of Red Simmons.
Funny thing is Tapua left at the first opportunity as he was disgusted at how a club legend could be treated at the club. Backfired immensely
 
Our defence should still be good this year , I feel with our new halves we will grab those points we missed with poor attack last year and this will give our defenders a bit less work load , all we did was defend last year , ore points makes it a bit easier , we will be fine , Top 8 is not out of reach we just need to make sure we win the games that are there for the taking , last year we stuffed up,at least 6 winnable games
Personally, I found our defense very wanting with the games I watched.

Old issues still present:
1. winger gets caught on overlap. Tupou outperformed Nofo in letting tries through (which is a massive effort).
2. Side is Gassed come second half. Really worried when Benji says the training won't be super hard/intensive as clearly Sheens was too light.

Naturally the lack of structure in defense and attack lets us down. This year was particularly bad as I swear Brooks saw headlights whenever he was passed the ball....
 
Funny thing is Tapua left at the first opportunity as he was disgusted at how a club legend could be treated at the club. Backfired immensely
SPOT ON!

That's why I scream at anyone who says "it's a Business", WRONG WRONG, rocks in the head WRONG!

Players are playing Football because they like it. You will get a few Mattersons, a few money hungry grubs and yes we all want a 800k contract if one is available. ...

You have been training and playing football since you were 11 because you watched some Hero/origin game/crazy football and discover that you love the sport. You love playing it and you want to play it more.

" I went there because it seemed they were having fun" Glenn Lazarus, on joining the Broncos.

Yes it's a job
Yes it's a business
These people are playing football and doing this sport instead of Rugby because they like the players, the team and the excitement of it.

Taupau (?tapua??) may have left because if the club was going to throw Farah away he thought 'whats the point'. Manly have 'fortress manly', a US vs Them that keeps a stack of players playing for unders and a team together.
Two words:
Club Culture.

Yes, if we have a 600k player we have to pay them something close to their worth. When players though love what they are doing and love the people who they are playing with a $650k contract can get knocked back.

Club Culture. Lets build it.
 
Here’s a mole article, you can tell the mole has no idea about football and he proves it here when he says Douhie is all class.

Thanks for linking it.

Very poorly argued by Moley that Benji was somehow protected last year.

According to Chamas, he was assisting and then took the more practical reins about late July.

So if Benji was shielded, it was probably for a few weeks to a month.

Pretty amazing that in your very first year of coaching, you get the keys to the ferari!

I don’t think Benji will have too many difficulties with the non footy side of being a coach. Getting his game plan right and embedding his drive into the players is his biggest challenge.
 
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