Australia Day

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Go_You_Good_Things said:
We look at stuff differently, I guess.
The date was decide on nearly 100 years ago, and bar the last 3 or 4 years, has been patriotically celebrated. As it should be.
It's Australia day. Has been for 90+ years.
Hows about those that want to change it have their very own " Virtue signalling day " or some such.
Because before this new thing called virtue signalling became widespread among certain sections of the community, the vast, vast, vast majority celebrated many generations of all that is great about our country.
3 years vs 90 years.
Please tell me the date you propose for Australia Day that will not attract the same ferocity of opposition ?
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I have to correct you there Go, the term Australia Day was accepted nationally in 1935 but the agreed date of 26/1 was not ratified until 1994, so it’s still reasonably new.
 
Halbrowne61 said:
Do you understand what indigenous means ?
And your comments, whilst obviously attempting to be funny, imo are lame.
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Not so much Hal.
Why don't we celebrate the particular migrants that pushed this country forward ?
I know it doesn't suit agenda's and identity political motives . . . but the migrant polulation that worked, developed, and help advance Australia . . . largely without government unemployment, and other social security handouts sure as hell deserve recognition.
They weren't a drain on funds and resources . . . they contributed to the country in a positive way, and still do.
 
Go_You_Good_Things said:
Not so much Hal.
Why don't we celebrate the particular migrants that pushed this country forward ?
I know it doesn't suit agenda's and identity political motives . . . but the migrant polulation that worked, developed, and help advance Australia . . . largely without government unemployment, and other social security handouts sure as hell deserve recognition.
They weren't a drain on funds and resources . . . they contributed to the country in a positive way, and still do.
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Absolutely Go.
Some of the finest, hardest working people who approached their move to Australia in a positive way. I say congrats and well done but they were able, in most cases, to buy into their new country, without letting go of the old.
There are lots of stories to tell from a myriad of nations but if you don’t want to buy into being an Aussie, then I say pack up and go home.
 
Go_You_Good_Things said:
Not so much Hal.
Why don't we celebrate the particular migrants that pushed this country forward ?
I know it doesn't suit agenda's and identity political motives . . . but the migrant polulation that worked, developed, and help advance Australia . . . largely without government unemployment, and other social security handouts sure as hell deserve recognition.
They weren't a drain on funds and resources . . . they contributed to the country in a positive way, and still do.
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Migrants benefitted from the policies at the time. To a large extent, many still do. Migrants in general don't hold this chip on their shoulder that the country owes them something because they were given an opportunity to work hard. In many respects, it was mutually beneficial.

The country that gave them an opportunity to flourish should be celebrated, not the people that took advantage of that opportunity.

Many Australians worked just as hard. It wasn't just migrants.

Many migrants came here with no English, no real education and no skills. Migrants benefitted greatly from the skills and education they were able to inherit from their opportunities in Australia. The Australian people and government policy played a BIG role in the success of migrants to this country.
 
weststigers said:
Migrants benefitted from the policies at the time. To a large extent, many still do. Migrants in general don't hold this chip on their shoulder that the country owes them something because they were given an opportunity to work hard. In many respects, it was mutually beneficial.

The country that gave them an opportunity to flourish should be celebrated, not the people that took advantage of that opportunity.

Many Australians worked just as hard. It wasn't just migrants.

Many migrants came here with no English, no real education and no skills. Migrants benefitted greatly from the skills and education they were able to inherit from their opportunities in Australia. The Australian people and government policy played a BIG role in the success of migrants to this country.
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The MIGRANTS did benefit....so did the country by having them be pleased to call Australia home..
 
TrueTiger said:
The MIGRANTS did benefit....so did the country by having them be pleased to call Australia home..
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What's with the Capitals?

I said, it was mutually beneficial.

His post says we should celebrate migrants as if the country owes them something. I'm sorry, but as a the son of migrants myself, I don't agree with that. Many migrants did nothing with their opportunity. Many did. This myth that migrants are the backbone of what Australia is today is not accurate. You can't have one without the other, therefore it was a mutually beneficial relationship.
 
weststigers said:
What's with the Capitals?

I said, it was mutually beneficial.

His post says we should celebrate migrants as if the country owes them something. I'm sorry, but as a the son of migrants myself, I don't agree with that. Many migrants did nothing with their opportunity. Many did. This myth that migrants are the backbone of what Australia is today is not accurate. You can't have one without the other, therefore it was a mutually beneficial relationship.
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I put migrants in capitals because you also stated that "Australians " contributed immensely as well..My point is that it doesn't matter who benefitted more or who did more,we all live in this country and have to work together to make it as great as possible while looking after and loving each other in a humanely manner....as the wise man once said"we all live,we all get sick and eventually we die"...No one is better than anyone else...cheers..
 
TrueTiger said:
I put migrants in capitals because you also stated that "Australians " contributed immensely as well..My point is that it doesn't matter who benefitted more or who did more,we all live in this country and have to work together to make it as great as possible while looking after and loving each other in a humanely manner....as the wise man once said"we all live,we all get sick and eventually we die"...No one is better than anyone else...cheers..
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Very well stated TT! I think we should all, as the Beatles would say “come together right now” and spare a thought for those in Wujal Wujal who had their homes ravaged by TC Jasper. Also those on Palm Island who are about to face TC Kirrily on Australia Day.
 
Halbrowne61 said:
Ok , I’ll make it very simple for you L.
1. I love Australia Day, always have, and been celebrating for a very long time.
2. I hate how non indigenous Australians are being bombarded by all this indigenous “stuff” eg Invasion Day, Welcome to Country, Smoking Ceremonies. Imo it’s overkill.
3. I was simply putting forward an idea for them to have an Invasion Day gathering that doesn’t interfere with our celebration of Arrival Day, the same as the USA have for their Indigenous people. Then the Koombya people amongst us can support one, or both, of those days.
4. The older you get the more you hate grey, black and white ( pardon the pun) becomes much more in tune with your way of thinking. Imo the biggest issue we have is that good old common sense has gone out the window.
5. The lamb will be on my bbq on Friday, washed down with appropriate Aussie liquids.
And any Aussies are welcome to join me and my family to celebrate all the advances that have been made since the arrival of our British ancestors.
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Halbrowne61 said:
Love anything patriotic and nationalistic, but think the song “ I am, you are, we are Australian” much more stirring and patriotic
( and inclusive).
Maybe it will become the national song of the Republic when it happens.
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agree . It’s way more inclusive as well , and much like the kiwi national anthem it would be stirring .
If I was a kiwi every time you heard that anthem , it would make me want to run through a brick wall . The Aus anthem stirs emotion as it is for me , let alone if they changed it to that banger!
To me this is the type of shit that I don’t understand why people have an issue with this stuff . Advance Aus fair could easily be changed for a more inclusive , more descriptive and hair raising on the back of your neck , let’s destroy these bastards , nationalistic song .
Like it’s an easy win IMO .
Same for Aus day . Just change the thing to 1 week earlier /later and be done with it . It’s just a day to celebrate how lucky we are , and how we won the geographical lottery . Every single one of us ! The rest is all noise . It really is !
Don’t trap yourselves into thinking it’s not ! It’s a distraction .
 
twentyforty said:
Very well stated TT! I think we should all, as the Beatles would say “come together right now” and spare a thought for those in Wujal Wujal who had their homes ravaged by TC Jasper. Also those on Palm Island who are about to face TC Kirrily on Australia Day.
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Congratulations to all you dudes that submitted posts just prior to and since @Spartan117 post no. 440, for the 'quality' debate re Aust Day.
No name calling, abuse or petty bickering and nit-picking over the slightest little thing.
 
I'm grateful and lucky to be an Aussie

I find pride in things I do, they way I act or what I've achieve, or my kids... I find it difficult to have pride in something I've had nothing to do with.. Just luck I was born here/my parents lived here

I feel pride in watching my kids play sport tough then shake hands after the game with opponents win lose or draw... I feel pride when their friends parents praise my kids after an overnighter, Im proud to have been in the ame employment for 15 years and have the respect of my peers( mostly) 🤣

I feel pride in the way Aussie diggers were described by their allies in the toughness they displayed on the battlefield

Maybe this is what other people mean when they say they're proud to be an. Australian
 
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