Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

Vicious said:
That’s the figure that’s been widely reported.
Do you have information to say it’s much less than that ?
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I'm of the belief it has been proven time and again that whatever figure journos guess, shave anywhere between 100 to 200k off. The bigger the salary the more you shave. They can exaggerate up to 300k IMO on the large contracts. They also choose to take figures out of context. For example they will say we signed Luai on 1.2m a year, but fail to say its around 900k to 1m off the cap. The rest 3rd party.
 
BAGNF05 said:
In my opinion yes, did you see the school boy error he made on the weekend. Got huge wraps early and I’ve seen him play great for what, one half against Canberra!
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Just on Pole's game on the weekend, he looked gassed to me. However his footwork still caused massive problems for the opposition on a number of occasions. I expect him to be enormous this weekend with some match fitness behind him.
 
king_sirro said:
Just on Pole's game on the weekend, he looked gassed to me. However his footwork still caused massive problems for the opposition on a number of occasions. I expect him to be enormous this weekend with some match fitness behind him.
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I haven’t put a line through him and hope we keep developing him but he’s not one that the strong clubs would have in their starting sides every week. I’m always pleasantly surprised to be proven wrong but need to see him improve before I’m in his fan club.
 
BAGNF05 said:
I haven’t put a line through him and hope we keep developing him but he’s not one that the strong clubs would have in their starting sides every week. I’m always pleasantly surprised to be proven wrong but need to see him improve before I’m in his fan club.
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But he is unlikely to be in our starting side too
 
Pole at least has himself in great physical condition to give himself every chance to produce his best.
I agree I expected a bit more from him last week and will be very interested to see how he goes against a big, physical Dragons team in Mudgee.
 
king_sirro said:
Just on Pole's game on the weekend, he looked gassed to me. However his footwork still caused massive problems for the opposition on a number of occasions. I expect him to be enormous this weekend with some match fitness behind him.
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You could be spot on.
Obviously anywhere around 500k would seem like a good deal for Bula based on potential, but if we are talking 700k per season for him, we’d be hoping to see much more from him in attack to live up to that value. Again it’s only media hearsay, but in comparison it’s been reported Scott Drinkwater is earning 700k and he is no doubt currently a much superior player.
 
BAGNF05 said:
Somebody above reckons he’s a genuine first grader, just offering my rebuke.
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I understand.

Just on that, Pole would make the 17 of every team in the NRL in my opinion. So I would say he is a genuine first grader but he does give a vibe that he may not progress much further, so I understand your caution with him.
 
Vicious said:
You could be spot on.
Obviously anywhere around 500k would seem like a good deal for Bula based on potential, but if we are talking 700k per season for him, we’d be hoping to see much more from him in attack to live up to that value. Again it’s only media hearsay, but in comparison it’s been reported Scott Drinkwater is earning 700k and he is no doubt currently a much superior player.
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Maybe it gets to around 700k towards the final year, I'm not sure.
 
king_sirro said:
I understand.

Just on that, Pole would make the 17 of every team in the NRL in my opinion. So I would say he is a genuine first grader but he does give a vibe that he may not progress much further, so I understand your caution with him.
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I’d agree he’s on the bench for most NRL sides but to me that’s not a lock down first grade talent. I’m talking about guys who are picked for first grade without a second thought.
 
Vicious said:
That’s the figure that’s been widely reported.
Do you have information to say it’s much less than that ?
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Mate if you get the calculator out and used your numbers adding Olam and some others we wouldn’t be able to register 5+ player contracts even on min wage.

This year Luai isn’t even on the books.

Re Bula the press reported he is on $2.7 over 5yrs (upgraded last season payment = roughly 540k)

Api got extended and doubt he is on more than what he was to come here, extension was probably more related to restructuring his contract into last and this season for cash into outer years (normally what happens).

A month or so ago we had formal offers to AFB, Luai and Olam on the table + started extension talks with Stefano at the same time to do so you need cap space - that was without Nofa off the books also.

The reported figures if even close (from Buzz we know he makes them up - he says he does) aren’t cap holds & they often include 3rd party (so it’s the package).

Also they are often the average not per season - Bateman probably had moving costs, visa sponsorship etc baked into it. Brooks last year was massively back loaded etc.

Cap management has a science to it and has alot of mechanics around things especially around sponsorship and 3rd party++ dealings. I know someome who is heavily involved in this at another NRL club and it’s very interesting how they manage to find room to make things happen under the right opportunity.
 
Mighty_Tiger said:
Mate if you get the calculator out and used your numbers adding Olam and some others we wouldn’t be able to register 5+ player contracts even on min wage.

This year Luai isn’t even on the books.

Re Bula the press reported he is on $2.7 over 5yrs (upgraded last season payment = roughly 540k)

Api got extended and doubt he is on more than what he was to come here, extension was probably more related to restructuring his contract into last and this season for cash into outer years (normally what happens).

A month or so ago we had formal offers to AFB, Luai and Olam on the table + started extension talks with Stefano at the same time to do so you need cap space - that was without Nofa off the books also.

The reported figures if even close (from Buzz we know he makes them up - he says he does) aren’t cap holds & they often include 3rd party (so it’s the package).

Also they are often the average not per season - Bateman probably had moving costs, visa sponsorship etc baked into it. Brooks last year was massively back loaded etc.

Cap management has a science to it and has alot of mechanics around things especially around sponsorship and 3rd party++ dealings. I know someome who is heavily involved in this at another NRL club and it’s very interesting how they manage to find room to make things happen under the right opportunity.
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Zero Tackle lists most NRL player salary figures, I’m not sure how close or far off the mark they are ?
 
balmain boy said:
Yes.

But we also need a variety of different body sizes in both attack and defence.

Our issue is we've targeted too many nuggety types. Olam, Faatape and Feledy in the centres. Both Laulilii brothers. Fa'agutu, Tofaeano, Mason, Nicholas and these are just the boys under 180cm who've trained with first grade in the off season. We have a few very big boys like Miller, Klem, Stef, Nav, Lobby and Sam F but our average size is smaller than every other nrl club i'd dare say.
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Has been for more than a decade.
 
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