Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

Tucker said:
Nope.
I just steadfastly refuse to play the victim, nor buy into conspiracy theories of cheating.
Sulking about how another team forms their roster is the work of losers.
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Im not sure mate if you know how the "Rorters superannuation " scheme works but any document can have legal clauses to ensure confidentiality. IF any club is doing this it would provide them an an unfair advantage & would allow them to buy all the best juniors from development clubs like the Tigers . Im sure one day a disgruntled ex player will blow the whistle. Untill then , we have to play at a disadvantage.
 
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Lestronge said:
Dude come on ! It’s the elephant in the room re. The nrl . The broncos have also rorted the cap since the dawn of time , but in some ways they get a pass because it’s usually paying Johnny from up the road , not buying other teams guns .
For me I don’t want to roosters bash , as you’re right that’s the way the game needs to be played .
I just think that it should not be played like that .
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Irrespective, cheating is cheating yes?
We pay overs for everyone, are we under?
How many clubs do you think are?
 
Champ1 said:
Im not sure mate if you know how the "Rorters superannuation " scheme works but any document can have legal clauses to ensure confidentiality. IF any club is doing this it would provide them an an unfair advantage & would allow them to buy all the best juniors from development clubs like the Tigers . Im sure one day a disgruntled ex player will blow the whistle. Untill then , we have to play at a disadvantage.
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If these documents have confidentiality clauses, how do you know about it?
 
Tucker said:
Integrity left the building 27 years ago.
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Super league ? Bro …. Canberra were caught rorting the cap massively when they brought it in in 94.
All the bullshit Bullfrog used to do at the dogs and the sway manly had over the game when arko was in .
I don’t think integrity and RL have ever been aligned . But that’s the point . NRL is a massive business now , and the under table shit undermines the sport . Even MLB which had the Yankees and now the Dodgers buying titles has introduced deterrents around this . Why ? Because it’s not good for the product in the end .
 
Lestronge said:
Super league ? Bro …. Canberra were caught rorting the cap massively when they brought it in in 94.
All the bullshit Bullfrog used to do at the dogs and the sway manly had over the game when arko was in .
I don’t think integrity and RL have ever been aligned . But that’s the point . NRL is a massive business now , and the under table shit undermines the sport . Even MLB which had the Yankees and now the Dodgers buying titles has introduced deterrents around this . Why ? Because it’s not good for the product in the end .
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If you believe all this, why does what the Roosters are apparently doing now upset you so? After all, they are just doing what our most celebrated clubs have always done? Or is it all just jealousy from fans of shit clubs?
 
Tucker said:
If these documents have confidentiality clauses, how do you know about it?
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Confidentiality clauses can only be legally enforced if it can be proven they were broken. A bit like you can speed if the police dont catch you . It doesnt mean you didnt speed , it means the poice have no proof you did.
 
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Tucker said:
Irrespective, cheating is cheating yes?
We pay overs for everyone, are we under?
How many clubs do you think are?
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your missing my point . I actually don’t care that clubs are over . If the roosters want to buy premierships , and that’s thier modus operende , than I don’t care . The issue is the lack of parity and transparency.
Like when the GSW brought in durant . I mean they were extremely lucky because thier best player wa getting paid like middle of the range player , because his extension came up when he had a career threatening injury , but I think I read somewhere , the NbA cap is like 125mil , and the GSW team is like 185 mil (you can pay your own players 33% more then the cap) . The tax they pay ie. Luxury tax …. 120m . So thier team is in essence a whopping 300m dollars . Sure the title makes it worth it , but that also means there’s a big reason not too , and compensation for the rest of the league .

It’s why fifa have farcically pretended to try and rain in the man city’s of the world with “financial fair play” … for imaginary fines .
Most sports have recognised the roosters of the world , is not a good thing to have / perception of not a fair playing field . The nrl is just too slow to join the party .
 
Champ1 said:
Confidentiality clauses can only be legally enforced if it can be proven they were broken. A bit like you can speed if the police dont catch you . It doesnt mean you didnt speed , it means the poice have no proof you did.
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and neither do you…do you?
 
Lestronge said:
your missing my point . I actually don’t care that clubs are over . If the roosters want to buy premierships , and that’s thier modus operende , than I don’t care . The issue is the lack of parity and transparency.
Like when the GSW brought in durant . I mean they were extremely lucky because thier best player wa getting paid like middle of the range player , because his extension came up when he had a career threatening injury , but I think I read somewhere , the NbA cap is like 125mil , and the GSW team is like 185 mil (you can pay your own players 33% more then the cap) . The tax they pay ie. Luxury tax …. 120m . So thier team is in essence a whopping 300m dollars . Sure the title makes it worth it , but that also means there’s a big reason not too , and compensation for the rest of the league .

It’s why fifa have farcically pretended to try and rain in the man city’s of the world with “financial fair play” … for imaginary fines .
Most sports have recognised the roosters of the world , is not a good thing to have / perception of not a fair playing field . The nrl is just too slow to join the party .
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That’s all very good in theory.
One question, if you believe several clubs have rorted the system since forever, why do you still watch it?
 
Lestronge said:
Come on bro ! That’s just playing scrabble with the same letters .
They’re cheating ! Like how google pays next to no tax in Australia or any big company. Sure it’s good accounting , but it’s also because the government chooses not legislate and change laws because of lobbying , back scratching etc.
The NRL should simply have 2 things .
1. Salaries made public like just about every other professional sport with a salary cap.
2. Have a cap that’s akin to American sports ie. if teams like the roosters go over it , they can but for every dollar over the cap they spend there’s a tax , with all the proceedings divided up amongst the teams who didn’t go over the cap .
That’s how NBA works , MLB , NFL etc.
The problem is all the cloak and dagger , 250k par 4s , 21 year olds driving around in Lamborghinis that no one knows who paid for etc.
Sure you can say don’t hate the player hate the game , but people had the exact opposite view about drug cheating in cycling ie. everyone was doing it , and it became a case of the best cheat wins ie. Lance Armstrong . But that ruins the integrity of the sport … which I feel clubs like roosters do to NRL .
Sorry and a draft … the draft would go a long way to parity in the nrl
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If they are doing it … why don’t we do it ?
 
Tucker said:
That’s what winners do. Likewise how we run things is how losers do.
It’s very simple.
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I love the “Roosters buy premierships” line….

They run out less ‘bought’ players than we did on the weekend…
Some of their best players have come through the grades there - our best players we bought in from somewhere else… they target spend, we spend for the sake of spending and make it look like we’re doing something…
 
Vicious said:
There are now ways where you can pay the player out and only have a fraction of the payout figure included in your cap.
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Exactly..you pay a player out 400g and replace him with a 400g player and you have 800g comes off your cap. I guess if it is to create a roster spot to promote a kid on a low tier contract it might be a solution. Shopping the contracts is a way better solution even if you have to pay half the frieght
 
Tucker said:
If you believe all this, why does what the Roosters are apparently doing now upset you so? After all, they are just doing what our most celebrated clubs have always done? Or is it all just jealousy from fans of shit clubs?
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I hated when Manly, Canberra, Brisbane and the Storm rorted the cap just as I have hated the Roosters doing it for the last 20 years. Conversely, I love the fact that Penrith have won three in a row with a cap-compliant squad. It's been a victory for integrity.
 
TV Ted Ellery said:
I hated when Manly, Canberra, Brisbane and the Storm rorted the cap just as I have hated the Roosters doing it for the last 20 years. Conversely, I love the fact that Penrith have won three in a row with a cap-compliant squad. It's been a victory for integrity.
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Penrith seem very quiet that they are losing genuine stars every year whilst the Roosters are clearly cheating.
 
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