Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Needaname]

You sure it's not being paid by 3rd party sponsors which are not included in the cap. The sponsor pays them out and it clears the cap space for the dogs to sign someone else using the freed up cap space. Or the dogs are still paying them in the cap and a 3rd party sponsor is just paying for the new signing outright outside of the cap.

This is how the roosters manage to move someone like Mitchell Pearce on and clear his entire salary on their salary cap. In reverse to what Vicious is stating I’d say when Cronk came to town they had the 3rd party deal that Pearce had added to their cap and cleared so that they freed up the whole million on the cap for the next player.
I have no doubt they would be doing similar with Manu and JWH when they leave this season.
Rinse and repeat.

 

[Tom Shines]

Nah, we couldn't do that, we have no money, didn't we make a loss?

Mind you, this is despite Richo coming out and saying that with the funding that the clubs get these days, you would have to be a moron to make a loss.

I guess you'd have to talk to the recently departed management team to find out how they managed to do that, maybe there was a drop in hat sales. 🤣

just get Wests Ashfield to put in some more of their pokie money

 

[Tom Shines]

It’s not lazy at all . The year they bought Tedesco , they also added Cronk. The issue isn’t that they can offer overs and want to spend the money , I personally don’t care .
The issue is the lack of transparency, and regulations around it . Like every other sport with a salary cap . The “well if they do , so should we” is a lazy argument . The opportunities might not be available .
And in a completion regulated by a salary cap , being able to offer more money external of that cap is ridiculous . It undermines the whole thing .
It should be transparent , and obvious , and allowed with regulations like a luxury tax.
It allows clubs like the roosters to spend whatever they want , but also provides enough penalties to allow something akin to parity . And if the roosters screw up and chuck good money at bad … well then you have the NY Yankees of the last 20 years . Paying the tax , and having a mediocre team on the paddock .
For the billionth time , it’s not about the fact they can pay overs , it’s about all the bullshit that goes with that , and the undermining of the game .
As I’ve said previously even FIFA understand this , with “fair play” rules in place . Despite those rules being toothless at the moment . ( I think man city have like 200 fines )

Four premierships they have won since the 70s … if they are cheating then they suck at it…

 

[gregjm87]

Tedesco, Smith, walker, Hargraves, Collins, Leniu, dreadlocks, May, Keery, and there are a couple of others that escape me. Where did they all come from? Compare that lot to any 9 players of the other clubs. Note- did not include Manu.

Salary cap manipulation? Creative accounting? Who knows?

Of that list.
Walker was a teenage kid yet to debut when recruited to Roosters, though he was highly sought after. It was reported that it was his uncles connections that won him over to the Roosters.

Hargraves was a young front rowers who had played 6 games looking for an opportunity as he was struggling to break into Manlys premiership side.

Collins couldn't get a look in at the Broncos given the front row talent they had there. He had several suitors but was hardly a big name Recruit when he Debuted at the Roosters.

May was unwanted at Panthers and had very few suitors when Roosters recruited him. Debuted at Roosters and would still be on his rookie contract this season.

Admittedly that still leaves 3 internationals and a couple of premiership winners. But heck even weve been able able to recruit 3 internationals and a couple premiership winners.

 

[Nonotmeagain]

If we sign him the whole fourm is back half way though next year saying things like
“Why do we keep signing old players who are past their prime”

Look at his disciplinary record - had more time off for tripping than I did in the 70's.

 

[The Chad]

Assuming we lose Utoikamanu...

Our Middle stocks for next year are:
Klemmer (Toiler at this point, but consistent & good defender)
Twal (better leg speed than Klemmer but also a toiler with good defence)
Pole (Great footwork at the line. His 'power running' is overrated, but his footwork puts him in half gaps that can be exploited)
Sione Fainu (For mine, similar to Pole & could form an interesting front row combination- footwork & the ability to offload)
Seyfarth (Somewhere between a prop & second rower. Probably the hardest worker & could end up being the best all around type)
Miller (very young & will need time to fully develop)

Matamua (interesting type- ball playing before the line but offers little in running metres. Threw a nice pass for Pole's try)


What we do not have in that group is a regular "power forward" type. And for the money that would need to be spent, getting a Royce Hunt type player isn't great value.

I've offered a few names- Hola, Knight etc.

But the more I think about it- Corey Horsburgh from the Raiders has been punted to KOE & is a far superior player to that. What he adds is aggression. And if we can't can't meet teams with power, I feel fighting them with honest aggression is the go.

A pack that features Horsburgh, Klemmer, Bateman, Seyfarth & Sam Fainu....I think it puts the hurt on a bunch of teams. You then blend in the silkier players like Pole & Sione Fainu & Matamua...

I think Horsburgh is an attainable target. I'd love to have him in our club.

 

[Tom Shines]

Assuming we lose Utoikamanu...

Our Middle stocks for next year are:
Klemmer (Toiler at this point, but consistent & good defender)
Twal (better leg speed than Klemmer but also a toiler with good defence)
Pole (Great footwork at the line. His 'power running' is overrated, but his footwork puts him in half gaps that can be exploited)
Sione Fainu (For mine, similar to Pole & could form an interesting front row combination- footwork & the ability to offload)
Seyfarth (Somewhere between a prop & second rower. Probably the hardest worker & could end up being the best all around type)
Miller (very young & will need time to fully develop)

Matamua (interesting type- ball playing before the line but offers little in running metres. Threw a nice pass for Pole's try)


What we do not have in that group is a regular "power forward" type. And for the money that would need to be spent, getting a Royce Hunt type player isn't great value.

I've offered a few names- Hola, Knight etc.

But the more I think about it- Corey Horsburgh from the Raiders has been punted to KOE & is a far superior player to that. What he adds is aggression. And if we can't can't meet teams with power, I feel fighting them with honest aggression is the go.

A pack that features Horsburgh, Klemmer, Bateman, Seyfarth & Sam Fainu....I think it puts the hurt on a bunch of teams. You then blend in the silkier players like Pole & Sione Fainu & Matamua...

I think Horsburgh is an attainable target. I'd love to have him in our club.

Pole and Sione Fainu are not under contract next year at the moment

 

[Glenji95]

Pole and Sione Fainu are not under contract next year at the moment

Pole is but yes Sione isn’t.

 

[TopTiger]

Pole and Sione Fainu are not under contract next year at the moment

I thought Pole signed for 2025.

 

[hank37w]

We have 14 rep players and are adding Luai and Turuva next year.
We must be cheating as well.

Nah, we must be winning the comp.

 

[Glenji95]

I thought Pole signed for 2025.

Yeah he is.

 

[Tom Shines]

Pole is but yes Sione isn’t.

I thought Pole signed for 2025.

I stand corrected… that is good news

 

[Glenji95]

I stand corrected… that is good news

I think Sione will be re-signed just hope we can extend Pole before he hits the market.

 

[Kelce68]

Assuming we lose Utoikamanu...

Our Middle stocks for next year are:
Klemmer (Toiler at this point, but consistent & good defender)
Twal (better leg speed than Klemmer but also a toiler with good defence)
Pole (Great footwork at the line. His 'power running' is overrated, but his footwork puts him in half gaps that can be exploited)
Sione Fainu (For mine, similar to Pole & could form an interesting front row combination- footwork & the ability to offload)
Seyfarth (Somewhere between a prop & second rower. Probably the hardest worker & could end up being the best all around type)
Miller (very young & will need time to fully develop)

Matamua (interesting type- ball playing before the line but offers little in running metres. Threw a nice pass for Pole's try)


What we do not have in that group is a regular "power forward" type. And for the money that would need to be spent, getting a Royce Hunt type player isn't great value.

I've offered a few names- Hola, Knight etc.

But the more I think about it- Corey Horsburgh from the Raiders has been punted to KOE & is a far superior player to that. What he adds is aggression. And if we can't can't meet teams with power, I feel fighting them with honest aggression is the go.

A pack that features Horsburgh, Klemmer, Bateman, Seyfarth & Sam Fainu....I think it puts the hurt on a bunch of teams. You then blend in the silkier players like Pole & Sione Fainu & Matamua...

I think Horsburgh is an attainable target. I'd love to have him in our club.

For mine, Horsburgh is tremendously overrated.

 

[Tom Shines]

For mine, Horsburgh is tremendously overrated.

His form is poor … can’t make first grade in a middle of the road Raiders team that we just lapped ..

He also has brain explosions … WT got enough of those already

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

His form is poor … can’t make first grade in a middle of the road Raiders team that we just lapped ..

He also has brain explosions … WT got enough of those already

He was injured most of the season & just came back from injury on the weekend….. That’s why he hasn’t been seen in the NRL team sheet this season. In his 1st game back in 40mins made 110mtrs + and decked someone.

He hands down would be a walk up starter for us, be more effective on the right side than Bateman as well.

 

[Roar_Power]

Assuming we lose Utoikamanu...

Our Middle stocks for next year are:
Klemmer (Toiler at this point, but consistent & good defender)
Twal (better leg speed than Klemmer but also a toiler with good defence)
Pole (Great footwork at the line. His 'power running' is overrated, but his footwork puts him in half gaps that can be exploited)
Sione Fainu (For mine, similar to Pole & could form an interesting front row combination- footwork & the ability to offload)
Seyfarth (Somewhere between a prop & second rower. Probably the hardest worker & could end up being the best all around type)
Miller (very young & will need time to fully develop)

Matamua (interesting type- ball playing before the line but offers little in running metres. Threw a nice pass for Pole's try)


What we do not have in that group is a regular "power forward" type. And for the money that would need to be spent, getting a Royce Hunt type player isn't great value.

I've offered a few names- Hola, Knight etc.

But the more I think about it- Corey Horsburgh from the Raiders has been punted to KOE & is a far superior player to that. What he adds is aggression. And if we can't can't meet teams with power, I feel fighting them with honest aggression is the go.

A pack that features Horsburgh, Klemmer, Bateman, Seyfarth & Sam Fainu....I think it puts the hurt on a bunch of teams. You then blend in the silkier players like Pole & Sione Fainu & Matamua...

I think Horsburgh is an attainable target. I'd love to have him in our club.

Your emails make for good reading up to the point Liam Knight is raised a recruitment candidate.

 

[AceofSpades]

Frontrunner emerges for Utoikamanu as multiple clubs drop out of race

At least four clubs have indicated they won't be involved in the race to sign him.

www.zerotackle.com

Storm are favourites apparently for Uto

 

[Tom Shines]

He was injured most of the season & just came back from injury on the weekend….. That’s why he hasn’t been seen in the NRL team sheet this season. In his 1st game back in 40mins made 110mtrs + and decked someone.

He hands down would be a walk up starter for us, be more effective on the right side than Bateman as well.

it’s not hard to point to players that are better than what we put out each week …it would be nice if the players we actually acquire were currently playing first grade though…im not up to date on his injury throughout this year … but he has only played NRL twice … how many NSW Cup games has be played ? He has also been suspended from what I understand this season

 

[GCfan]

Suli had a very poor campaign for the reds this year,
He's been left out of the wallabies squad. Looked
really lethargic all year, out enthused just my opinion

Maybe he’s figured out that Union is a shit game. Leagues where it’s at!