John Bateman #268

[king_sirro]

Just on the narrative that Bateman gives away lots of penalties and isnt putting in this year...

Having played just 12 games:

• He has given away 6 penalties. Thats 1 every 2 games. He is ranked 77th in the league for giving away penalties...Sezer, Api, Stef and Seyfarth are all worse offenders.
• He has made 11 errors. Less than 1 per game. He is ranked 97th in the league for making errors...Bula and Api are worse offenders as well as most of the best players in the game.
• He is averaging 95m per game with the ball. 4th best forward returns in the team and the 2nd best of our backrowers behind Pole.
• He is averaging 31 tackles per game. This places him third in the team behind Api and Twal.
• He is averaging the most offloads in our team at nearly 2 per game, placing him 8th in the whole comp.
• He has missed 23 tackles. Just shy of two per game. He has returned the 20th worst ratio of the squad.

I will say that his linebreaks and tackle breaks have been sub par.

He is being scapegoated by fans on here. Is he setting the comp on fire? No. Is he the main reason we are losing? No - he's doing a lot more than most of our team.

I'm not too sure anyone is saying he doesn't put in. I'm probably his harshest critic and even I say he tries hard.

Just on the penalties situation, its more the timing and complete stupidity of the penalty that's the problem. He has a habit of doing it on the 4th tackle when we have just had a good defensive set, and it often looks completely deliberate. Take our first game this year against Canberra, we defend our line, Canberra don't look like scoring, and on 4th tackle Bateman gets up at marker and deliberately hits the ball out of the player playing the ball. It was mind boggling. They then kick the goal, and score next set after bad defence by Toa. 8 nil just like that because of brain dead stupidity. We should have had the ball coming out of our end at nil all, instead it's 8 nil.

He has costs us badly like that all year. The amount of times I've screamed "bloody 4th tackle and he does it again". They aren't 50/50 penalties, they are blatant and sell sabotaging.

 

[Tucker]

Comparing those players to Bateman is laughable

Just sharing facts. Its up to the individual what they want to do with it.

 

[Tucker]

I'm not too sure anyone is saying he doesn't put in. I'm probably his harshest critic and even I say he tries hard.

Just on the penalties situation, its more the timing and complete stupidity of the penalty that's the problem. He has a habit of doing it on the 4th tackle when we have just had a good defensive set, and it often looks completely deliberate. Take our first game this year against Canberra, we defend our line, Canberra don't look like scoring, and on 4th tackle Bateman gets up at marker and deliberately hits the ball out of the player playing the ball. It was mind boggling. They then kick the goal, and score next set after bad defence by Toa. 8 nil just like that because of brain dead stupidity. We should have had the ball coming out of our end at nil all, instead it's 8 nil.

He has costs us badly like that all year. The amount of times I've screamed "bloody 4th tackle and he does it again". They aren't 50/50 penalties, they are blatant and sell sabotaging.

On the odd occasion this is correct. If we drilled down into every squad members penalties and infringements we'd be coming up with similar claims.

 

[king_sirro]

Just sharing facts. Its up to the individual what they want to do with it.

It's simply not facts at all. It's your opnion

 

[king_sirro]

On the odd occasion this is correct. If we drilled down into every squad members penalties and infringements we'd be coming up with similar claims.

Absolutely disagree. Batemans penalties are blatant and absurd stupidity. Real team demoralising plays

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

Comparing those players to Bateman is laughable

One team. One dream.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

I'm not too sure anyone is saying he doesn't put in. I'm probably his harshest critic and even I say he tries hard.

Just on the penalties situation, its more the timing and complete stupidity of the penalty that's the problem. He has a habit of doing it on the 4th tackle when we have just had a good defensive set, and it often looks completely deliberate. Take our first game this year against Canberra, we defend our line, Canberra don't look like scoring, and on 4th tackle Bateman gets up at marker and deliberately hits the ball out of the player playing the ball. It was mind boggling. They then kick the goal, and score next set after bad defence by Toa. 8 nil just like that because of brain dead stupidity. We should have had the ball coming out of our end at nil all, instead it's 8 nil.

He has costs us badly like that all year. The amount of times I've screamed "bloody 4th tackle and he does it again". They aren't 50/50 penalties, they are blatant and sell sabotaging.

Responsibility lies with coaching staff

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

Absolutely disagree. Batemans penalties are blatant and absurd stupidity. Real team demoralising plays

Maybe trying too hard.????

 

[king_sirro]

Responsibility lies with coaching staff

And then have taken action this week

 

[king_sirro]

Maybe trying too hard.????

I don't think so. I fail to see how deliberately giving penalties away late in the tackle count can be put down to trying too hard

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

Deliberately giving away penalties??? - is that confirmed???

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

And then have taken action this week

Hence the player will remain the scapegoat not the coaching staff... gotta blame someone I guess

 

[Tucker]

It's simply not facts at all. It's your opnion

LOL this is where you are showing your true colours.
YOU have been waging a war on ths bloke and what you are saying is proven to be bullshit.
Your hatred for the guy is masking you from what he is doing well and that makes your claims laughable, simplistic and very very misleading.
Cut it out.

 

[Tucker]

Absolutely disagree. Batemans penalties are blatant and absurd stupidity. Real team demoralising plays

Well thats because you hate the guy and refuse to see reason.
I suggest people on here stop listening to your bullshit and look into his game with a neutral perspective.
Even I was surprised how wrong you have been.

 

[WestsEffTheRest]

LOL this is where you are showing your true colours.
YOU have been waging a war on ths bloke and what you are saying is proven to be bullshit.
Your hatred for the guy is masking you from what he is doing well and that makes your claims laughable, simplistic and very very misleading.
Cut it out.

Or maybe you can never accept your opinion isn't fact & pretty ironic for you to be claiming about someone else waging a war on a player when your hatred for Galvin is pathetic & laughable.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

LOL this is where you are showing your true colours.
YOU have been waging a war on ths bloke and what you are saying is proven to be bullshit.
Your hatred for the guy is masking you from what he is doing well and that makes your claims laughable, simplistic and very very misleading.
Cut it out.

Its called Cognitive Dissonance

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

Or maybe your ego is too damn big that you can never accept your opinion isn't fact & pretty ironic for you to be claiming about someone else waging a war on a player when your hatred for Galvin is pathetic & laughable.

Is that true Tucker?

 

[Tucker]

Or maybe your ego is too damn big that you can never accept your opinion isn't fact & pretty ironic for you to be claiming about someone else waging a war on a player when your hatred for Galvin is pathetic & laughable.

I am using verifiable sttistics. Its not opinion. What you are saying IS OPINION and its all incorrect.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

So you would be happy for Galvin to leave according to statistics?

 

[WestsEffTheRest]

I am using verifiable sttistics you clown. Its not opinion. What you numbskulls are saying IS OPINION and its all incorrect.

You use statistics to suit your narrative yet when people bring up statistics for Stefano you say statistics never tell the full picture so which one is it mate?