LIVE GAME Round 22 vs. Cowboys

[Speed2burn]

Ok, so what people are saying is that even though we have been lumped with the spoon for the past 2 seasons in a row, and despite the fact we are close to, if not, the worst performing club of the NRL era, the administration of this game and the officials have gotten together and decided to conspire to ensure we stay at the bottom? They are sinbinning, penalising and charging our players into oblivion, on purpose, to achieve their goal?

Hands up if you really believe this is what is happening and explain why you think they are behaving this way.

I don’t think we’re unfairly targeted but I do think the refs are very inconsistent

Api was hit high and late but the on field ref didn’t even pick it up until the bunker intervened and put McIntyre on report

If they wanted to play by their own rules, he should have at the very least been sin binned.

 

[BlackWhiteGold]

Latu goes off with HIA.
Cowboys score 3 tries in 13 minutes all down our right (Staines, Faataape, Api, Porter)
Olam sent off.
Cowboys score 3 tries in 6 minutes all down our right.

Simple observations:
-6 of their 8 tries down our right side.
-All happened in a burst after we had to make adjustments with Latu/Olam going off.
-Api is not an edge defender.
-Faataape/Staines needs A LOT of work as a defensive combo.
-Whilst very good in attack, Porter needs to work on his defence.

A backline injury (Latu) & send off (Olam) cost us a 13+ win!

 

[Tom Shines]

Latu goes off with HIA.
Cowboys score 3 tries in 13 minutes all down our right (Staines, Faataape, Api, Porter)
Olam sent off.
Cowboys score 3 tries in 6 minutes all down our right.

Simple observations:
-6 of their 8 tries down our right side.
-All happened in a burst after we had to make adjustments with Latu/Olam going off.
-Api is not an edge defender.
-Faataape/Staines needs A LOT of work as a defensive combo.
-Whilst very good in attack, Porter needs to work on his defence.

A backline injury (Latu) & send off (Olam) cost us a 13+ win!

They let in 40 every week …

Just who they are this past few months

 

[stephen]

He should be learning this in reserve grade, his defensive reads are diabolical

Agree 851.
Tries hard & seems to have a good attitude but needs to develop in an easier environment. A team like Storm could carry him in 1sts while he learns.

 

[Tucker]

I don’t think we’re unfairly targeted but I do think the refs are very inconsistent

was hit high and late but the on field ref didn’t even pick it up until the bunker intervened and put McIntyre on report

If they wanted to play by their own rules, he should have at the very least been sin binned.

Yes, that is fair enough. Inconsistency is a major issue, even within the same game.

 

[Tucker]

Latu goes off with HIA.
Cowboys score 3 tries in 13 minutes all down our right (Staines, Faataape, Api, Porter)
Olam sent off.
Cowboys score 3 tries in 6 minutes all down our right.

Simple observations:
-6 of their 8 tries down our right side.
-All happened in a burst after we had to make adjustments with Latu/Olam going off.
-Api is not an edge defender.
-Faataape/Staines needs A LOT of work as a defensive combo.
-Whilst very good in attack, Porter needs to work on his defence.

A backline injury (Latu) & send off (Olam) cost us a 13+ win!

It seems funny to say this given that Olam was sent from the field, but Latu's HIA lost us that game last night. Api shifted to halback and performed dreadfully. He missed a lot of tackles and disrupted the rhythm of that edges defensive structure.

 

[Speed2burn]

Latu goes off with HIA.
Cowboys score 3 tries in 13 minutes all down our right (Staines, Faataape, Api, Porter)
Olam sent off.
Cowboys score 3 tries in 6 minutes all down our right.

Simple observations:
-6 of their 8 tries down our right side.
-All happened in a burst after we had to make adjustments with Latu/Olam going off.
-Api is not an edge defender.
-Faataape/Staines needs A LOT of work as a defensive combo.
-Whilst very good in attack, Porter needs to work on his defence.

A backline injury (Latu) & send off (Olam) cost us a 13+ win!

I seriously think we’ve been clocked off since the dragons spanking at Win

We used to be in with a fight most games before then

With finals footy evaporating, half the team being shopped off to rival clubs, I don’t think they give a crap

The sooner this season ends the better

 

[Hbom]

Benji commented that Tiger Tim didn't train with firsts this week.

 

[stephen]

I don’t think Latu touched the ball apart from a couple of kicks before the HIA. Needs to overcall Galvin sometimes.

Just easing back in I think mate. Injury setbacks & now the HIA have interrupted his progress. Agree with you, Galvin very dominant.

 

[Tom Shines]

I don’t think Latu touched the ball apart from a couple of kicks before the HIA. Needs to overcall Galvin sometimes.

One of the Nine commentators… I think Gould …said Latu has to find a voice on the field …too quiet

 

[Lestronge]

Ok, so what people are saying is that even though we have been lumped with the spoon for the past 2 seasons in a row, and despite the fact we are close to, if not, the worst performing club of the NRL era, the administration of this game and the officials have gotten together and decided to conspire to ensure we stay at the bottom? They are sinbinning, penalising and charging our players into oblivion, on purpose, to achieve their goal?

Hands up if you really believe this is what is happening and explain why you think they are behaving this way.

That’s not accurate . The issue isn’t a conspiracy . It’s that there’s no accountability for ruining the fabric of a football match for these guys . They simply don’t get dropped , and Annelsley literally invents excuses to justify this.
I’ve watched the tape over and over again , and slowed it down , and he literally makes contact with the shoulder and his right arm swings around and contacts the head when the player is falling .
At absolute most it’s a penalty for contact with the head . The initial force was all from the shoulder hitting his chest / sternum.
As others have stated , he didn’t even go off for a HIA , and if that was direct contact with that amount of force , he would be on the ambulance kart and rushed To RPA.
Even at the absolute stretch , it’s 10 minutes in the bin ( which would have been an over reaction in itself).
We literally get a guy sent off/10 in the bin every game .
Either somehow we have recruited the most reckless psychopaths in the game , or , we are being picked on and used as a scapegoat to prop up the NRL numbers so when the inevitable law suit comes they can shows X data outlining thier “duty of care” .
The fact is , there’s no way anyone could say if the roosters or Melbourne did that hit , that the outcome would be the same .
And that in itself is a huge problem . We are low hanging fruit easy for the picking . And it’s horeshit ! The fact a guy in a striped shirt is dictating the outcomes of most of our games is not right .

 

[Lestronge]

They let in 40 every week …

Just who they are this past few months

Most of those games , the bulk of opposition tries are scored when we are reduced to 12.
The kids just aren’t capable of the resilience required for defending with 12 men . But how many of those infringements were actually yellow/red card . The hip drops … well yea , the nrl drew a line in the sand , and obviously Sezer and a few others didn’t read that email .
But there’s been some diabolical decisions re. Seyfarth and a few others that are horsehit . Like when api got sent when he was square at marker , and the play the ball moved off the spot . Cost us that game as well .
It’s just “yea we got that one wrong “ from annelsley , and then rinse repeat the next week .
I honestly think whist the Sutton gang and annelsley are in charge we are not going to get 50/50 shake of the run of the green . There’s 💯 an unconscious bias , whether people want to admit it or not .
You can’t ref bash for api missing a million tackles and Staines shooting up at ghosts for whatever reason , or ridiculous offloads to no one .
That put us in a vulnerable position for F**kery to begin .
But why does the shenanigans have to happen when we are in these positions ? That’s the issue .
If we are up by 20 , these things don’t happen , but as soon as it’s a close game , and we invite pressure , we get 2-3 horrendous wtf calls , which changes the outcome of the game .
Of course we should be resilient and withhold and defend . But to imply “we are just shit” , it’s intellectually dishonest and totally dismisses the lack of accountability the officials have on this game .
Italian football had very similar issues 10 years ago and it came out that match fixing was rife in that league .
I’m not saying they’re corrupt , but I’m not not saying it as well .
It might even be as simple as these refs watching buzz whistle Dixie all week . It doesn’t make sense .

 

[The Chad]

"Either somehow we have recruited the most reckless psychopaths in the game"

I'm advocating doing exactly this. If nothing else, it'll be a fun watch for a few minutes.

 

[Tom Shines]

Most of those games , the bulk of opposition tries are scored when we are reduced to 12.
The kids just aren’t capable of the resilience required for defending with 12 men . But how many of those infringements were actually yellow/red card . The hip drops … well yea , the nrl drew a line in the sand , and obviously Sezer and a few others didn’t read that email .
But there’s been some diabolical decisions re. Seyfarth and a few others that are horsehit . Like when api got sent when he was square at marker , and the play the ball moved off the spot . Cost us that game as well .
It’s just “yea we got that one wrong “ from annelsley , and then rinse repeat the next week .
I honestly think whist the Sutton gang and annelsley are in charge we are not going to get 50/50 shake of the run of the green . There’s 💯 an unconscious bias , whether people want to admit it or not .
You can’t ref bash for api missing a million tackles and Staines shooting up at ghosts for whatever reason , or ridiculous offloads to no one .
That put us in a vulnerable position for F**kery to begin .
But why does the shenanigans have to happen when we are in these positions ? That’s the issue .
If we are up by 20 , these things don’t happen , but as soon as it’s a close game , and we invite pressure , we get 2-3 horrendous wtf calls , which changes the outcome of the game .
Of course we should be resilient and withhold and defend . But to imply “we are just shit” , it’s intellectually dishonest and totally dismisses the lack of accountability the officials have on this game .
Italian football had very similar issues 10 years ago and it came out that match fixing was rife in that league .
I’m not saying they’re corrupt , but I’m not not saying it as well .
It might even be as simple as these refs watching buzz whistle Dixie all week . It doesn’t make sense .

The refs don’t do them any favours .. but they are also their own worst enemies ..

we can’t just point to these times they are down to 12 men and say that this is the issue…and I’m hoping that’s not what they tell themselves after the games ..

even with 13 …there are many times when the team is poor in defence ..

Of course fatigue is a factor …dropped balls and giving up six agains and extended periods without the ball seem a given at times in any match I have seen this season..

The last 2 weeks they have failed to find touch from a penalty FFS…I think the other team scored each time off the back of it

the try down the blindside where Staines got caught out at marker was pretty embarrassing… he also gave up tries rushing up out of the line and failing to shut down the play…its not good enough …

 

[Tucker]

That’s not accurate . The issue isn’t a conspiracy . It’s that there’s no accountability for ruining the fabric of a football match for these guys . They simply don’t get dropped , and Annelsley literally invents excuses to justify this.

I can agree with your assessment of Annesley and his team, the accountability is far lower than it is for the players. As for conspiracies...yes there are some from our fanbase and Ill point out to you later in this very reply where you have detailed one.

I’ve watched the tape over and over again , and slowed it down , and he literally makes contact with the shoulder and his right arm swings around and contacts the head when the player is falling .
At absolute most it’s a penalty for contact with the head . The initial force was all from the shoulder hitting his chest / sternum.

Its very hard to tell.
Fox League had a still shot showing shoulder on jaw/neck.
My thought was sinbin, being sent is harsh.

As others have stated , he didn’t even go off for a HIA , and if that was direct contact with that amount of force , he would be on the ambulance kart and rushed To RPA.

He did leave the field and he did not return. I am not sure if it was for a HIA and Im not sure where you can confirm it but the judiciary report on NRL.com certainly states that he did in fact come off for a HIA and possibly failed it.

Even at the absolute stretch , it’s 10 minutes in the bin ( which would have been an over reaction in itself).
We literally get a guy sent off/10 in the bin every game .
Either somehow we have recruited the most reckless psychopaths in the game , or , we are being picked on and used as a scapegoat to prop up the NRL numbers so when the inevitable law suit comes they can shows X data outlining thier “duty of care” .

Conspiracy theory.

The fact is , there’s no way anyone could say if the roosters or Melbourne did that hit , that the outcome would be the same .

Roosters are hammered by the referees.
They have 4 players in the top 13 worst offenders for penalties this year to our 1. They've copped plenty of sinbins as well as 2 send offs (top of the comp). They have had players charged and found guilty 24 times (equal top of the comp) and have been dealt 25 weeks worth of suspensions this year (top of the comp).
I am certainly claiming if they did it, the same reaction would have come from the officials.

And that in itself is a huge problem . We are low hanging fruit easy for the picking . And it’s horeshit ! The fact a guy in a striped shirt is dictating the outcomes of most of our games is not right .

I cannot agree with this at all.
The officials have made some mistakes with us and have over reacted a few times...weve had 28 instances put on report this year which is near double every other team (bar the Roosters), however I think our club has gained a very poor reputation as a group who do not prepare well and do not play the game at a first grade standard for 80 minutes. This certainly brings added scrutiny that Penrith do not recieve but Id bet most penalties and binnings are warranted. The issue is that other sides are getting away with more as they are not being so closely monitored.
We need to be better.

 

[Lestronge]

The refs don’t do them any favours .. but they are also their own worst enemies ..

we can’t just point to these times they are down to 12 men and say that this is the issue…and I’m hoping that’s not what they tell themselves after the games ..

even with 13 …there are many times when the team is poor in defence ..

Of course fatigue is a factor …dropped balls and giving up six agains and extended periods without the ball seem a given at times in any match I have seen this season..

The last 2 weeks they have failed to find touch from a penalty FFS…I think the other team scored each time off the back of it

the try down the blindside where Staines got caught out at marker was pretty embarrassing… he also gave up tries rushing up out of the line and failing to shut down the play…its not good enough …

I think the issue is both things are true . And whatever your narrative is , it’s dismissing the other known truth . Ie. you believe the refs have screwed us , dismisses the lack of resilience and fundamentals of the boys at times .
But the opposite is true as well ie. you say we do it too ourselves , dismisses the game changing ref decisions .
My issue is, that refs are deciding outcomes . If we are shit and it’s Harrigsj style game management , then we will get our deserved 40 out on us . But is hard to gauge , when every game we are playing for large chunks with a man down . And that’s my issue .
I’m not dismissing our play , as I stated , our poor play is putting us into these positions to be at the mercy of the ref . But just to repeat myself , that doesn’t give the refs feee rein to be like “well they did it to themselves , I got KPIs to meet” .

 

[Fish88]

Latu goes off with HIA.
Cowboys score 3 tries in 13 minutes all down our right (Staines, Faataape, Api, Porter)
Olam sent off.
Cowboys score 3 tries in 6 minutes all down our right.

Simple observations:
-6 of their 8 tries down our right side.
-All happened in a burst after we had to make adjustments with Latu/Olam going off.
-Api is not an edge defender.
-Faataape/Staines needs A LOT of work as a defensive combo.
-Whilst very good in attack, Porter needs to work on his defence.

A backline injury (Latu) & send off (Olam) cost us a 13+ win!

That right side defence is woeful, has been for years, it’s paper thin. It’s a training gallop for every team when they spread to our right.

Latu missing hurt, as he can tackle. Faatape made 10 tackles and missed 6, not for the first time either. He has no idea in defence.

 

[Tom Shines]

I think the issue is both things are true . And whatever your narrative is , it’s dismissing the other known truth . Ie. you believe the refs have screwed us , dismisses the lack of resilience and fundamentals of the boys at times .
But the opposite is true as well ie. you say we do it too ourselves , dismisses the game changing ref decisions .
My issue is, that refs are deciding outcomes . If we are shit and it’s Harrigsj style game management , then we will get our deserved 40 out on us . But is hard to gauge , when every game we are playing for large chunks with a man down . And that’s my issue .
I’m not dismissing our play , as I stated , our poor play is putting us into these positions to be at the mercy of the ref . But just to repeat myself , that doesn’t give the refs feee rein to be like “well they did it to themselves , I got KPIs to meet” .

you might be saying both things are true …I see a lot of people blaming the refs and using 12v 13 as the only excuse they are getting beat..

I’ll repeat myself too… the refs don’t do them any favours but they are not going to win consistently until they muscle up in defence and stop making so many dumb mistakes each game

 

[Lestronge]

I can agree with your assessment of Annesley and his team, the accountability is far lower than it is for the players. As for conspiracies...yes there are some from our fanbase and Ill point out to you later in this very reply where you have detailed one.

Its very hard to tell.
Fox League had a still shot showing shoulder on jaw/neck.
My thought was sinbin, being sent is harsh.
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He did leave the field and he did not return. I am not sure if it was for a HIA and Im not sure where you can confirm it but the judiciary report on NRL.com certainly states that he did in fact come off for a HIA and possibly failed it.

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Conspiracy theory.

Roosters are hammered by the referees.
They have 4 players in the top 13 worst offenders for penalties this year to our 1. They've copped plenty of sinbins as well as 2 send offs (top of the comp). They have had players charged and found guilty 24 times (equal top of the comp) and have been dealt 25 weeks worth of suspensions this year (top of the comp).
I am certainly claiming if they did it, the same reaction would have come from the officials.

I cannot agree with this at all.
The officials have made some mistakes with us and have over reacted a few times...weve had 28 instances put on report this year which is near double every other team (bar the Roosters), however I think our club has gained a very poor reputation as a group who do not prepare well and do not play the game at a first grade standard for 80 minutes. This certainly brings added scrutiny that Penrith do not recieve but Id bet most penalties and binnings are warranted. The issue is that other sides are getting away with more as they are not being so closely monitored.
We need to be better.

Your last paragraph proves my point though . The ref is supposed to be impartial . Yesterday has no bearing on today , as today on tomorrow . It’s simply referee what’s in front of you .
But they’re not . A reputation in the very definition of the word , implies a bias coming into an interaction .
You always seem to lean to “we just have to be better can’t blame the refs” which is the right frame of mind for a coach to be instilling in his players . Contrary to what you might think . I 100 💯 agree with you on this . Otherwise it leads to negative thoughts and scapegoating . And inevitably failure .
But we aren’t on the field , we arnt coaching.
As an observer , the fact reputation is a variable is a direct breach to the integrity of the game .
And what your saying about the roosters is true , I knew they were a bad example when I used them , but the overall numbers don’t get to the heart of my point ie. when the game is on the line , I can’t see a ref making the most harshest interpretation possible . Their infringements are usually pretty on point with accuracy , as nothing like us , they are a hard team , with hard men , who’s game plan is to win the battle in the middle .
If we are poor , we should be punished , Ill disciplined, likewise .
But last night was something else entirely . And no I’m not excusing the horrendous api defence , the Staines catching flies , the poor execution out of transition .
But as I said in another response , being shit is not an invitation for the refs to begin the f**kery . It’s an invitation for the opposition to put us too the sword . But that’s not what’s been happening .

 

[Tiger Stripes]

That right side defence is woeful, has been for years, it’s paper thin. It’s a training gallop for every team when they spread to our right.

Latu missing hurt, as he can tackle. Faatape made 10 tackles and missed 6, not for the first time either. He has no idea in defence.

I've also noted the tackles he does make are around their ankles when they have passed him.
Last ditch efforts, with a "Hail Mary" - "Fingers Crossed", feel about them. A lottery whether he makes it or not.
A catch-up effort for a poor defensive read or just slow defensive positioning.
That's the way I see his "Defence"