Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Jolls]

we'd benefit more from signing a top-end wrestling coach than another, decent, 90m/game borderline starting prop from a rival club.

This!

 

[Camel2281]

Yeah if Kobe wants big minutes, he will still move on. He would remain a bench player with Madge in charge.

Yeah, he's a good NRL level lock. He's just at a club that has Pat Carrigan who's elite

 

[Red88_Tiger]

Great work of late with some context around these stats mate.

I will add that there are intangibles around the pack, particularly in the middle, that are hard to quantify, but which have a massive bearing on the current game.

Most of it centres around the ruck, but elements such as strength of first-up contact, ability to hold the player up before bringing to ground, ability to prevent offloads and the likelihood of whether a player will be able to win the wrestle enough to a) get to marker effectively and b) allow their own line to be set.... are all pivotal and hard to quantify.

I think that the last few years, this year especially, our control of the ruck (and those intangibles above), have contributed HEAVILY to our issues with the pack, rather than statistical output alone. I'd include line speed in D (or lack thereof) as another glaring shortfall; again, hard to quantify.

Alluding to what I've mentioned already, you could perhaps metricise some of those with stats such as opposition set distances, PCMs or offloads I guess, though they don't often tell the entire story.

I think it's both at the end of the day.

That is; we need to improve the pack with a bit more 'quality' AND, we need to (badly) improve our control of contact and the ruck, which you can tie line speed into as well.

If we slowed the ruck down by half a second on average, limited opposition's set distances by 3-5m on average and increased our line speed by a couple of metres (till contact) on average, then I think the output of our forwards, exactly as you've presented them so well, would prove to be far more beneficial than they have thus far.

My belief is that harder first up contact is what the tigers lack in defence and attack
In attack you can go to ground for a quicker play the ball or power on for post contact meters or a possible offload
In defence you have a more dominant control of the tackle and when to take to ground. Line speed is a major contributor for this in defence

Far too often you see us with no line speed and just catching with pillow hugs

 

[The-moP]

Nah said he is welcome to stay. In the end will come down to what Hetherington wants to do. Broncos need salary cap relief & releasing Kobe provides a bit of relief.

Madge is still definitely holding some anger against us.. as soon as heard we were interested in Kobi .. he quickly jumped in and kiboshed the ideal of Kobi leaving for the Tigers.

Madge has a problem now .. as the Donkeys are already paying top dollars with long term contracts with Walsh (1m per season), Mam (1m per season), Carrigan (900k per season), and Haas (1m per season) .. they have a heap of middle forwards that all want big mins .. but they wont be able to keep them all. Also their backs like Cobbo and Staggs both wanting to test the market.

The Donkeys will be in the market pretty soon to see if they can sign a new number 9 and 7 .. Billy Walters career is up in the air now .. be interesting to see if Madge picks as the Donkeys starting number 9 like Kevvie did .. ;-) .. and they are trying to sign Sam Walker to replace Reynolds .. if they get Walker there's another mil $$ from their cap gone .. i can see a mad fire sale coming.

 

[happy_tiger]

Just had an article pop up on my Facebook saying that Madge is keeping Paix and Hetherington

 

[Nadz4483]

'Alleged leak' creates 'ill feeling' between rival clubs

The Mole's mid-week scoops

www.nine.com.au

Well boo hoo to them

 

[The-moP]

So why did the Large family want to keep it a secret. I'm guessing they did the dirty on WT when Onitoni and his manager spat the dummy over the alleged clause. I think there is a lot more to this than the rubbish being put out by the media.

Why did the Large family want to keep it quiet .. as did Manly .. ?? Maybe they didnt want the mention of how much money the Sea Eagles paid the Large family on the side to convince/tell Onitoni he's now going to Manly .. TPP works wonders .. !! ;-)

 

[jrtiger]

Madge is still definitely holding some anger against us.. as soon as heard we were interested in Kobi .. he quickly jumped in and kiboshed the ideal of Kobi leaving for the Tigers.

Madge has a problem now .. as the Donkeys are already paying top dollars with long term contracts with Walsh (1m per season), Mam (1m per season), Carrigan (900k per season), and Haas (1m per season) .. they have a heap of middle forwards that all want big mins .. but they wont be able to keep them all. Also their backs like Cobbo and Staggs both wanting to test the market.

The Donkeys will be in the market pretty soon to see if they can sign a new number 9 and 7 .. Billy Walters career is up in the air now .. be interesting to see if Madge picks as the Donkeys starting number 9 like Kevvie did .. ;-) .. and they are trying to sign Sam Walker to replace Reynolds .. if they get Walker there's another mil $$ from their cap gone .. i can see a mad fire sale coming.

I dunno about that.

he's just jumped into the hot seat and while he'd have some idea of where their cap is at, he wouldn't be completely across it.

Hetherington's on $400k, which could be the difference between retaining Cobbo and Staggs. Kobe also wants to play 80 minutes each week in the NRL, which he can't do at Brisbane, and a guy like Te Kura can easily take his spot. it's a win win for both parties.

if he doesn't release Hetherington, he's a fool.

 

[user118245]

News Corp are reporting Manly and North Queensland are on the verge of a player swap which will see the Cowboys sign Jaxson Paulo while Cowboys-contracted Mackay Cutters back rower D’Jazirhae Pua’Avase joins the Sea Eagles.


Naden to manly is looking more probable

 

[user118245]

Madge is still definitely holding some anger against us.. as soon as heard we were interested in Kobi .. he quickly jumped in and kiboshed the ideal of Kobi leaving for the Tigers.

Madge has a problem now .. as the Donkeys are already paying top dollars with long term contracts with Walsh (1m per season), Mam (1m per season), Carrigan (900k per season), and Haas (1m per season) .. they have a heap of middle forwards that all want big mins .. but they wont be able to keep them all. Also their backs like Cobbo and Staggs both wanting to test the market.

The Donkeys will be in the market pretty soon to see if they can sign a new number 9 and 7 .. Billy Walters career is up in the air now .. be interesting to see if Madge picks as the Donkeys starting number 9 like Kevvie did .. ;-) .. and they are trying to sign Sam Walker to replace Reynolds .. if they get Walker there's another mil $$ from their cap gone .. i can see a mad fire sale coming.

I’ve heard from a friend that Madge actually went on a podcast sometime this year and said $1m for a prop is too much. Idk if this is true or just bs but hopefully we get a promising Brisbane forward to tigers

 

[Lestronge]

Supposedly Large was very accommodated at the WT for a 16 yr old … Anyway ..so to get this straight ,,.. his family asks for a release …. And then they ask the club to keep it quiet until it suits them to announce it … so much entitlement

The club is smart to get out in front of this . The issue isn’t who leaked first but who control the narrative , re. The kid is leaving because manly guaranteed a 16 year old a start in first grade next year .
The mole is doing his best to spin it another way , but I don’t think. It’s working .

 

[BlackWhiteGold]

Just had an article pop up on my Facebook saying that Madge is keeping Paix and Hetherington

A lot of people are misinterpreting a 10-second comment from him in an interview on 4BC radio saying that he'd be happy to keep Kobe & Paix, it's a clean slate. Now that's a lot different to saying he'll enforce their contracts with the club. So to me, he's just playing things with a straight bat in initial interviews.

 

[BlackWhiteGold]

I’ve heard from a friend that Madge actually went on a podcast sometime this year and said $1m for a prop is too much. Idk if this is true or just bs but hopefully we get a promising Brisbane forward to tigers

Richo did say this so maybe your friend meant Richo.

 

[balmain boy]

I dont really understand why Ontoini thinks he's a5/8 .. he's much better suited as being a running centre.

He would have figured out he's an outside back over the next couple of years and he will probably play most of his career there. We were too stubborn to keep him until he realised that. Koula was very similar to Large. Only large has a lot more skills

 

[Betterdays22]

I’ve heard from a friend that Madge actually went on a podcast sometime this year and said $1m for a prop is too much. Idk if this is true or just bs but hopefully we get a promising Brisbane forward to tigers

Hass the exception to the rule

 

[balmain boy]

That is not almost.

There are 5 (effectively) male grades (if we're talking pathways).

We had a side that didn't finish anywhere near last in 3 of the 5.

It is deliberately misleading to say otherwise, despite Balmain finishing last in several of those as well.

We made the finals in one grade FFS! How can you even try to defend that

 

[Camel2281]

It'll be interesting with Brisbane how Madge goes with Reynolds. There was plenty of talk that Reynolds despised Madge by the end of his Souths tenure

 

[Kelce68]

We made the finals in one grade FFS! How can you even try to defend that

I didn't.

And that isn't what you said.

Be accurate.

 

[jadtiger]

The closest prop i have ever seen who would be worth a million dollars on your salary cap was Arthur Beetson,Haas is the best current prop going around with AFB not far behind both worth about 875k imho

 

[balmain boy]

I’m not against klemmer but that is a good summary. He could probably better his offloading. Tackle breaks Probabaly a different matter?

When thinking offloading you also need to remember we don't have anyone who supports the play. Bula is nowhere near the ruck, ever, too unfit and lazy. Needs a real kick up the ass. Mason is far superior to Bula on that one regard. Even Galvin is superior.
If there's no one to pass to you can't offload...!