Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Jolls]

We ran more decoys and supports then any other team in the Comp according to the stats so I'd suggest we are actually pushing up too much and tiring out our defenders

Those that are hard over on our coaching issues being the root of all evil need to consider these particular stats. This does not happen if you aren't playing to an attacking system. What this points to is the inability of our play makers to make the right decision on who and where to hit or when and where to kick. This is what the good teams do - but they ice it!

 

[426Tlgerland]

He wants 3 years, Tigers said 2. He also wants big money.

I would do the 3 at $ 650 k , first 2 well worth it , 3 rd back up

 

[user118245]

I would do the 3 at $ 650 k , first 2 well worth it , 3 rd back up

Have the 3rd as a mutual option

 

[mtd#2]

I read that when it was sent out on his mailing list. I am unconvinced with the general argument that fast PTBs aren't correlated to better outcomes; I don't think he looked at enough outcomes for example a PTB impact on an entire set.

But actually it's not just PTB speed for me, but the speed of the overall ruck and the number of defenders who must be committed to stop the player. I find Klemmer to be slow, he appears to be easy to pick off by tacklers and it takes a while for him to hit the deck and PTB, even if he does struggle for some extra PCM. I may be wrong, that's just my overall impression that Klemmer can slow the play, compared with someone like Pole.

Play the ball speed is 100% correlated to a better outcome. It is all momentum.

Slow play the balls:
- Defenders get back 10m and have time to get set.
- The Defenders meet the attacker around 5m from the play the ball.

Fast play the balls:
- Defenders are on the back foot and only just getting back the 10 when the attacker is playing the ball.
- The attacker makes it 8-10m before contact is made by a defender (so an advantage of 3-5m a tackle).
- Repeat this 4 tackles in a row and the attacker is getting more metres every run (in theory). And when the defence is on the back foot, we generally see an increased run metre from the attacking runner by the 3rd of 4th tackle (10+metres).

 

[mtd#2]

'Alleged leak' creates 'ill feeling' between rival clubs

The Mole's mid-week scoops

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EAD manly.

 

[mtd#2]

Apparently Madge has come out and said Kobe won’t be released.

He said they have a future at the Broncos.
Whether Kobe wants to remain a bench player at the Broncos or become a starter earning much more money at the Tigers, will be completely in his court.

 

[user118245]

Hoping for some news today

 

[mtd#2]

So why did the Large family want to keep it a secret. I'm guessing they did the dirty on WT when Onitoni and his manager spat the dummy over the alleged clause. I think there is a lot more to this than the rubbish being put out by the media.

The Mole scrambles for content to be fair, I don't think he has great sources. He stoops to promoting some random gambling tips bloke on his facebook regularly.

 

[user118245]

DT has new article on prime ministers 13 if anyone has a subscription, brooks and lachie been selected guessing off the thumbnail

 

[mtd#2]

We made the finals in one grade FFS! How can you even try to defend that

Maybe you aren't aware of the downstream impact we had by blooding youngsters in First Grade this year.

FG calling up NSW cup players
NSW cup calling up Flegg Players
Flegg calling up SG Ball players
SG Ball calling up Harrold Matthews players

Easy to look at it with no context and say we were sh1t...

 

[mtd#2]

Interesting to see the Harold Matt's coaching group. If Wests Tigers really want to improve their defence then John Muggleton is the best defensive coach in the last 30 years of Rugby Union.

I didnt think they defended in Rugby Union lol

 

[mtd#2]

Man, this season watching several matches per week including Tigers and other lower-ranked teams, then watching only Finals teams this past month and seeing the HUGE difference in line speed across 80 minutes from the best sides.

The GF, I have no doubts, will see both Storm and Penrith race up off their lines in D for as long as the score is close. I could only dream of Tigers being that consistently aggressive.

to be fair, the tigers get penalised whenever we have good line speed because the refs just assume we are offside... and we see the other team get a 10 tackle set.

 

[liltiger]

We ran more decoys and supports then any other team in the Comp according to the stats so I'd suggest we are actually pushing up too much and tiring out our defenders

Damn really I thought we were just running one out without support. Wonder why at times we looked flat in attack. We struggled without Galvin when he wasn't there to score points, this has totally blown my mind.

 

[king_sirro]

Man, this season watching several matches per week including Tigers and other lower-ranked teams, then watching only Finals teams this past month and seeing the HUGE difference in line speed across 80 minutes from the best sides.

The GF, I have no doubts, will see both Storm and Penrith race up off their lines in D for as long as the score is close. I could only dream of Tigers being that consistently aggressive.

The only time I've seen us do that for 80 minutes was this year against Cronulla. It was the first time I left a game thinking "we have finally done it" and had hopes for a big year. We backed it up the following week against Parra to a degree, not as much line speed but very good effort in scamble and commitment. Then we just fell off a cliff.

I was thinking that surely they now realise what it takes and if we can have that effort just 60% of games, we will win enough for 8th spot. The fact we didn't do it again, not even once, is shameful on the entire group of players. They should be embarrassed.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I think, because we're kind of used to so rubbish, that this had been largely overlooked in our 3rd wooden spoon season. Also, the age and inexperience of the 37 (? Not sure of the exact number) players used over the season had to have a big impact too.

Along with the high number of backs lost to injury during matches, which was very costly.

 

[magpies forever]

The only time I've seen us do that for 80 minutes was this year against Cronulla. It was the first time I left a game thinking "we have finally done it" and had hopes for a big year. We backed it up the following week against Parra to a degree, not as much line speed but very good effort in scamble and commitment. Then we just fell off a cliff.

I was thinking that surely they now realise what it takes and if we can have that effort just 60% of games, we will win enough for 8th spot. The fact we didn't do it again, not even once, is shameful on the entire group of players. They should be embarrassed.

That's what needs figuring out. Why one game they get it, them for many others not. What is the difference? Coaching? Player changes? Inability to stick to plan? Fitness?

 

[markgr64]

The only time I've seen us do that for 80 minutes was this year against Cronulla. It was the first time I left a game thinking "we have finally done it" and had hopes for a big year. We backed it up the following week against Parra to a degree, not as much line speed but very good effort in scamble and commitment. Then we just fell off a cliff.

I was thinking that surely they now realise what it takes and if we can have that effort just 60% of games, we will win enough for 8th spot. The fact we didn't do it again, not even once, is shameful on the entire group of players. They should be embarrassed.

I think line speed usually comes down to a few individuals leading the line in a team. It takes a lot of energy. You look at the sharks game - one of the stronger sides we fielded all year - and API made 41 tackles in 66 minutes missed 2. Papali was next 32 tackles played 60 something minutes because we had Sam Fainu and a part time hooker on the bench. If Api leads the line speed he can't play 80 all year and we need better bench depth that can keep up that intensity when they come out IMO

 

[Flippedy]

He wants 3 years, Tigers said 2. He also wants big money.

Worth the 3 years imo, still in his prime and not injury prone. Not sure how big the money is that he is asking for, but surely we could negotiate something?

My bet is he’ll return to Penrith. With JFH leaving they’re gonna need someone extra with experience up front. We need it more though.

 

[Shoes]

I didnt think they defended in Rugby Union lol

It is a different style of defence. Less time for players to make decisions from phase play than league. Of course Michael ‘Connor introduced drift defence from rugby as well. Most league players have significant difficulty with this element. In addition in league players are coached to stay on the man slowing the play the ball down. As Bellamy alluded to with Will Chambers in rugby they are coached to move away quickly to avoid being penalised. In rugby the hits are probably harder now than league ( the reverse of the amateur days) -not too many Trevor Gillmeisters around now - unfortunately

 

[BlackWhiteGold]

Worth the 3 years imo, still in his prime and not injury prone. Not sure how big the money is, but surely we could negotiate something?

My bet is he’ll return to Penrith. With JFH leaving they’re gonna need someone extra with experience up front.

I like the rumour from @Odessa of RCG back to Panthers who free up cap with To'o to Tigers