Tucker
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Not if they can play the game.
The Salary Cap Effect
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happy_tiger
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I don't disagree ....as far as I've always said ...if you can't heat em .....join em ...if cheating the cap is required ...join em
Tucker
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Very grim reading
Jolls
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Firstly, thanks for pulling this together. It clearly demonstrates that good administration and systems are required to be consistent. We are making the right noises at the moment but have a long long way to go before we are a top 4 club as outlined in the strategy.
So what are the pros?
Barbershop; haha - probably not high on anyone's list.
The COE is a plus - but most clubs have something similar - maybe just not as flash
Strategy - a start but only words at the moment.
Pathways program
Bright future - maybe?
We really don't have much going for us at the moment. Richo really needs to build the systems in order for us to get there.
TIGERS
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Is this about the salary cap, or the salary cap era??
What I'm seeing here is who finished where on the table and how many finals games have been played by all clubs the year the salary cap was first introduced. You mentioned Glamour clubs and domination? Could you expand upon what this dataset tells us about those two topics? , particularly in relation to how the salary cap effects or maintains a glamour clubs domination over the rest of the league.
BAGNF05
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We fight the big clubs on many fronts, I found it interesting how News Corp reported our recent signing coup,
‘Australia’s richest school kid spurns rugby for Wests Tigers’
Versus when Suualii was pilfered by Easts,
Roosters win race for teen dream Joseph Suaalii
‘Australia’s richest school kid spurns rugby for Wests Tigers’
Versus when Suualii was pilfered by Easts,
Roosters win race for teen dream Joseph Suaalii
Tucker
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It doesn’t.
If you can’t understand that, I won’t waste my time explaining it.
The dominance of clubs in the salary cap era has become more prevalent since managers have become more influential with junior players.
Managers will find a way to keep their best players in their prime at the strongest clubs, and or ensure weaker clubs pay ridiculous money to retain or attract elite players impacting on the balance of their salary cap, while also seeking a path for the best juniors to be targets for strong clubs. The Sydney market is particularly competitive as they also don't have the point of difference that a one town team may offer in relation to lifestyle.
Hence why building from within in Sydney as Penrith have done is the best model for survival if you can give the juniors and their managers some assurance that success is achievable.
Managers will find a way to keep their best players in their prime at the strongest clubs, and or ensure weaker clubs pay ridiculous money to retain or attract elite players impacting on the balance of their salary cap, while also seeking a path for the best juniors to be targets for strong clubs. The Sydney market is particularly competitive as they also don't have the point of difference that a one town team may offer in relation to lifestyle.
Hence why building from within in Sydney as Penrith have done is the best model for survival if you can give the juniors and their managers some assurance that success is achievable.
The biggest assumption is that Clubs are not cheating with additional payments from other entities, Payments to family members, Cars for family members, Loans that are never paid back
The NRL would police that with the same diligence that a single border guard would do in checking a 1000 kilometre border with no means of transportation.The NRL hope and rely on whistleblowers
nrlsurvivor
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The salary cap was at its best between 2010 and 2016. In that span, a different team one the grand final each year. Prior to 2010 cap cheating was rife, hence the domination of certain teams.
From 2016, the NRL introduced the November 1 rule, making it too difficult for bottom feeder clubs to rebuild. Until the November 1 rule is changed back to a regular end of season trading period like most other sporting competitions in the world, the NRL will remain lopsided.
From 2016, the NRL introduced the November 1 rule, making it too difficult for bottom feeder clubs to rebuild. Until the November 1 rule is changed back to a regular end of season trading period like most other sporting competitions in the world, the NRL will remain lopsided.
How? The way I see it, If players do in fact take less to play at better clubs then all we will see is the less they are taking. If they take less on the books and envelopes of cash then all we will see is the less on the books but not the envelopes of cash. I don't care about the players claim of not wanting personal information published but publishing salaries won't change anything.
Cheating comes in many forms,,,
We all saw how
The Dogs offered Tino a better than normal "Investment" opportunity in a pub if he chose to move away from the Titans.
Wendell talks about how he and the 90s Broncos would receive random deposits of 20-30K directly into their Mortgage bank accounts.
Adrian Morley in an undeclared New Vehicle that he was "Lending"
Jobs for family member who never turn up to work...
There is no way the NRL could police these...
We all saw how
The Dogs offered Tino a better than normal "Investment" opportunity in a pub if he chose to move away from the Titans.
Wendell talks about how he and the 90s Broncos would receive random deposits of 20-30K directly into their Mortgage bank accounts.
Adrian Morley in an undeclared New Vehicle that he was "Lending"
Jobs for family member who never turn up to work...
There is no way the NRL could police these...
Magpie_Magic
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The biggest problem with the cap is that underperforming clubs need to spend all of it........so the WT squad are renumerated as much as Penrith for example.
Why should losers be paid as much as winners. That isn't congruent with real world high performance situations.
It actually acts as a disincentive .
The Salary cap also favours one town clubs in that it can hold down payments to their stars especially if local keeping them close to family and friends.
The way the NRL uses it it seems more about a minimum CAPEX spend.......acting to draw aspirational athletes from a young age.
There should be a heavy performance based element in the Salary cap either below or above the ceiling so bottom dwellers would end up with alot more spare capacity to pay massive overs to the highest calibre players. That would go a long way to evening up the competition.
Whether the Salary cap has worked or not regarding evening out the competition one has to compare prior periods. Without statistics my guess is it hasn't done much. I doubt the 70s or 80s periods would have yielded much of a different result statistically.
Interestingly too, Manly and Easts are the only former ARL clubs at the top of the list in what turned out to be a SL takeover.
Cronulla and Penrith seemed to excel under the new regime both being former SL clubs despite both clubs being under administration for a time, or at least Cronulla was and Penrith had major issues financially.
Why should losers be paid as much as winners. That isn't congruent with real world high performance situations.
It actually acts as a disincentive .
The Salary cap also favours one town clubs in that it can hold down payments to their stars especially if local keeping them close to family and friends.
The way the NRL uses it it seems more about a minimum CAPEX spend.......acting to draw aspirational athletes from a young age.
There should be a heavy performance based element in the Salary cap either below or above the ceiling so bottom dwellers would end up with alot more spare capacity to pay massive overs to the highest calibre players. That would go a long way to evening up the competition.
Whether the Salary cap has worked or not regarding evening out the competition one has to compare prior periods. Without statistics my guess is it hasn't done much. I doubt the 70s or 80s periods would have yielded much of a different result statistically.
Interestingly too, Manly and Easts are the only former ARL clubs at the top of the list in what turned out to be a SL takeover.
Cronulla and Penrith seemed to excel under the new regime both being former SL clubs despite both clubs being under administration for a time, or at least Cronulla was and Penrith had major issues financially.
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twentyforty
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Good work Tucker!
I agree the cap and the financial support provided to clubs has made some impact while at the same time possibly increasing the advantage to better managed wealthier clubs.
What would be interesting to know is a club’s good/poor run and any event of significance relevant to that change in direction?
What event caused WT form slump from 2012?
What gave rise to Penriths good run from 2015?
We all have our own ideas but nothing as complete and factual as your reports.
I agree the cap and the financial support provided to clubs has made some impact while at the same time possibly increasing the advantage to better managed wealthier clubs.
What would be interesting to know is a club’s good/poor run and any event of significance relevant to that change in direction?
What event caused WT form slump from 2012?
What gave rise to Penriths good run from 2015?
We all have our own ideas but nothing as complete and factual as your reports.
BAGNF05
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We did some absolutely horrendous contracts under the former administration, if these were all public I don’t think all of them would have occurred. At the moment the lower clubs can’t see what the players at the top clubs are earning, other than speculation through media, who we all know don’t do WT any favours.
Anyway, brown paper bags will always be difficult to overcome, but more transparency would make a difference in my view.
Not sure if your table effected your statistics but you’ve credited the knights with the 2003 premiership.
Tucker
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Thanks you are right. Should have been Penrith above them.
Magpie_Magic
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Wests also made the finals 3 times not twice in the 90s.
There could be other errors.
But great stats.
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