Which team will get the 18th Franchise

[weststigers]

So why bring up the population?

I'm not sure I understand your question.

You stated Port Moresby had 250k people. Actually it's 400k, but it's not relevant. You argued this is not enough to financially support a team.

I said previously there were 10.5 million people in PNG - almost all of which will tune in to rugby league games - TV rights is where the money will come from.

Now you're asking why I'm bringing up the population?

Wouldn't you think population size and supporter base is correlated to the size of the TV rights deal? Or are you suggesting the only people that will watch are located in Port Moresby?

 

[gallagher]

I'm not sure I understand your question.

You stated Port Moresby had 250k people. Actually it's 400k, but it's not relevant. You argued this is not enough to financially support a team.

I said previously there were 10.5 million people in PNG - almost all of which will tune in to rugby league games - TV rights is where the money will come from.

Now you're asking why I'm bringing up the population?

Wouldn't you think population size and supporter base is correlated to the size of the TV rights deal? Or are you suggesting the only people that will watch are located in Port Moresby?

What sort of tv rights deal are we getting from PNG broadcasters?

 

[weststigers]

What sort of tv rights deal are we getting from PNG broadcasters?

What's your narrative?

You started with the view that ticket sales in Port Moresby wasn't enough to prop up a team.

 

[gallagher]

What's your narrative?

You started with the view that ticket sales in Port Moresby wasn't enough to prop up a team.

I just think the population of the entire country is irrelevant. They won't have 10mill members paying $80 each for an out of town membership.

 

[weststigers]

I just think the population of the entire country is irrelevant. They won't have 10mill members paying $80 each for an out of town membership.

Who made that argument?

 

[weststigers]

I just think the population of the entire country is irrelevant. They won't have 10mill members paying $80 each for an out of town membership.

Cronulla have the lowest member numbers in the league with 11,000 from the info I can gather online. You don't think they'll find 11k to watch their team at home for 12 games a season? What about corporate sponsors?

You seem to think clubs make all their money from individuals.

 

[gallagher]

Cronulla have the lowest member numbers in the league with 11,000 from the info I can gather online. You don't think they'll find 11k to watch their team at home for 12 games a season? What about corporate sponsors?

You seem to think clubs make all their money from individuals.

They will survive on $60 mill per year from the aus govt. The popluation of the country means zip, that was my point.

 

[Tigerwould]

 

[weststigers]

They will survive on $60 mill per year from the aus govt. The popluation of the country means zip, that was my point.

Interesting take. To me, once you break down a population, it gives you the size of a market.

By that logic, would you say the USA isn't a market worth pursuing?

 

[gallagher]

Interesting take. To me, once you break down a population, it gives you the size of a market.

By that logic, would you say the USA isn't a market worth pursuing?

Well I wouldn't put a team there now and say it's gonna be huge because they have a population of 300 mill.

 

[weststigers]

Well I wouldn't put a team there now and say it's gonna be huge because they have a population of 300 mill.

Fair enough mate. So what is your basis for having a team if not to start with a base level of people to support it? What would make you say a particular city or market is perfect for an NRL team?

 

[gallagher]

Fair enough mate. So what is your basis for having a team if not to start with a base level of people to support it? What would make you say a particular city or market is perfect for an NRL team?

One that doesn't need a govt to pump $60 mill a year into. Perth, Christchurch another in Brisbane.
A population of 400k in a third world country isn't a good enough base and that's why it's only going ahead with the aus govt funding.

 

[Tiger Tarl]

I know it's not gonna happen but I reckon the Bears should have teamed up with PNG. Their colours are the same just add yellow. That also allows the Perth-based team to team up with Newtown Jets (again WA colour is blue like the Jets) and a NZ south Island team to join later (if it's the Orcas then they can have the black and white colour scheme which is up for grabs).

2027: Perth Jets (or Perth Pirates if new franchise)
2028: PNG Bears (or PNG Hunters if new franchise)
2030: South Island Orcas (or Wellington Wolves or whatever)

That'd bring the NRL to 20 teams. Every team plays each other once. Break for reps rounds. Extended finals series (top 10 maybe). Truly a national and even international competition. I reckon that's not too far off the plan.

 

[weststigers]

One that doesn't need a govt to pump $60 mill a year into. Perth, Christchurch another in Brisbane.
A population of 400k in a third world country isn't a good enough base and that's why it's only going ahead with the aus govt funding.

It was going ahead anyway. The funding was the sweetner.

There are more people in PNG than in Port Moresby. I think most live in the Highlands. 7 million are of working age with an unemployment rate of 2.7% - advertisers want access to these people through TV and sponsorship. You only need a few bucks per head each year.

Besides, they always sell out their ground of 15,000 every time the PNG team plays there. I don't think packing a ground is going to be a problem there.

The $60 million doesn't go to the club anyway. It is similar to the stadium funding some clubs received for their facilities in Australia and designed to build the infrasructure required to support the team and junior development. PNG are playing catchup in that regard for sure, but it's not like large investments haven't been made at home either; albeit not to the same extent.

I understand the sentiment of not wanting to send taxpayer money to other countries, but at the same time, the PNG government gives favourable tax treatment to Australian companies in exchange for jobs on the ground. I don't know what the trade off is there, but I think we were winning that trade and now it's time to repay the favour. It's also a clear soft power play dressed up as sports funding - if us and China were best buddies, I doubt that would have occured, but good luck to them.

Just to put some numbers context around it, the Broncos generated 55M (+21M from NRL grants) in revenue last year with a net profit of around 5.5M - the breakdown is below. The Broncos compete against 3 other QLD teams (Dolphins, Gold Coast and Nth Qld), AFL, Basketball, Cricket and Soccer. PNG will compete with nothing. Every single sponsorship, fan and media dollar will go to this team without exception. It really is a sporting monopoly there and despite lower per capita GDP, once you start splitting up the larger Australian pie with the competitors for the same dollar, you probably end up in a similar spot as PNG that only has eyes for one team and one sport. To match the Broncos, they need to generate around $5 per head of population each season - the Broncos generate around $10 per head (5.5 million people in QLD). Once you account for sponsors and other revenue streams, you don't need to generate much from direct sales to individuals. Either way, I think you've made your mind up on this one so it doesn't really matter. Time will tell.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I know it's not gonna happen but I reckon the Bears should have teamed up with PNG. Their colours are the same just add yellow. That also allows the Perth-based team to team up with Newtown Jets (again WA colour is blue like the Jets) and a NZ south Island team to join later (if it's the Orcas then they can have the black and white colour scheme which is up for grabs).

2027: Perth Jets (or Perth Pirates if new franchise)
2028: PNG Bears (or PNG Hunters if new franchise)
2030: South Island Orcas (or Wellington Wolves or whatever)

That'd bring the NRL to 20 teams. Every team plays each other once. Break for reps rounds. Extended finals series (top 10 maybe). Truly a national and even international competition. I reckon that's not too far off the plan.

Then it would have been a failure. The Bears have the reverse Midas touch.

 

[gallagher]

It was going ahead anyway. The funding was the sweetner.

There are more people in PNG than in Port Moresby. I think most live in the Highlands. 7 million are of working age with an unemployment rate of 2.7% - advertisers want access to these people through TV and sponsorship. You only need a few bucks per head each year.

Besides, they always sell out their ground of 15,000 every time the PNG team plays there. I don't think packing a ground is going to be a problem there.

The $60 million doesn't go to the club anyway. It is similar to the stadium funding some clubs received for their facilities in Australia and designed to build the infrasructure required to support the team and junior development. PNG are playing catchup in that regard for sure, but it's not like large investments haven't been made at home either; albeit not to the same extent.

I understand the sentiment of not wanting to send taxpayer money to other countries, but at the same time, the PNG government gives favourable tax treatment to Australian companies in exchange for jobs on the ground. I don't know what the trade off is there, but I think we were winning that trade and now it's time to repay the favour. It's also a clear soft power play dressed up as sports funding - if us and China were best buddies, I doubt that would have occured, but good luck to them.

Just to put some numbers context around it, the Broncos generated 55M (+21M from NRL grants) in revenue last year with a net profit of around 5.5M - the breakdown is below. The Broncos compete against 3 other QLD teams (Dolphins, Gold Coast and Nth Qld), AFL, Basketball, Cricket and Soccer. PNG will compete with nothing. Every single sponsorship, fan and media dollar will go to this team without exception. It really is a sporting monopoly there and despite lower per capita GDP, once you start splitting up the larger Australian pie with the competitors for the same dollar, you probably end up in a similar spot as PNG that only has eyes for one team and one sport. To match the Broncos, they need to generate around $5 per head of population each season - the Broncos generate around $10 per head (5.5 million people in QLD). Once you account for sponsors and other revenue streams, you don't need to generate much from direct sales to individuals. Either way, I think you've made your mind up on this one so it doesn't really matter. Time will tell.

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Fair enough, we disagree on that.
. But this wasn't going ahead without the $60mill from the govt. Ridiculous to suggest it would.

 

[gallagher]

I know it's not gonna happen but I reckon the Bears should have teamed up with PNG. Their colours are the same just add yellow. That also allows the Perth-based team to team up with Newtown Jets (again WA colour is blue like the Jets) and a NZ south Island team to join later (if it's the Orcas then they can have the black and white colour scheme which is up for grabs).

2027: Perth Jets (or Perth Pirates if new franchise)
2028: PNG Bears (or PNG Hunters if new franchise)
2030: South Island Orcas (or Wellington Wolves or whatever)

That'd bring the NRL to 20 teams. Every team plays each other once. Break for reps rounds. Extended finals series (top 10 maybe). Truly a national and even international competition. I reckon that's not too far off the plan.

Perth Bears is still on the cards for 2027.

 

[Odessa]

It's about 650 million to PNG in aid mate

It's not 650 million across all sectors

 

[hank37w]

100% it's political, and it's to do with China

Correct, and in the scheme of things it's 600 million over 10 years, 60 million a year.

This is a drop in the ocean and probably money very well spent when it comes to countering Chinese influence just to the north of our border.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

Correct, and in the scheme of things it's 600 million over 10 years, 60 million a year.

This is a drop in the ocean and probably money very well spent when it comes to countering Chinese influence just to the north of our border.

What about the suffering within our borders? The poverty, homelessness, inflation, crime? How much is being invested over the next 20 years? What's it got to do with China?