Taking a wrecking ball to the club! (Recent Media Reports)

[cdinoz007]

Julie? Is that you?

Ha ha ha

Again. No. Just someone who is watching and doing some research before jumping to conclusions.

The Club's Act and Liquor and Gaming pages are fascinating reading....as is reading freely available information online, like Annual Reports or Constitutions

I also don't lay claim to have seen the review document, which so so many seem to know all is contents, despite never having been published anywhere

 

[hammertime]

You know the only thing they can investigate is if any wrong doing has happened?

The L&G cannot make any legal challenges to the constitution of the leagues club.

The Constitution is in the public domain, it's not secretly hidden away and is there for all to see. It's been approved already by the NSW Liquor and Gaming

Amazing how you came up as a new user today and started to push the wheelbarrow for HBG.

There is plenty in the code of conduct that seemingly has been breached. Nothing to do with the constitution.

 

[innsaneink]

And just a point of order everyone is missing... When you become a "member" of Wests Tigers, you are not really a member, but a season ticket holder.

No one is missing this.... Been common knowledge for decades for most

 

[cdinoz007]

Amazing how you came up as a new user today and started to push the wheelbarrow for HBG.

There is plenty in the code of conduct that seemingly has been breached. Nothing to do with the constitution.

I'm not a new user here.

I registered here ages ago, but re registered last year when I swapped email accounts (I got locked out of my old account)

 

[weststigers]

Ha ha ha

Again. No. Just someone who is watching and doing some research before jumping to conclusions.

The Club's Act and Liquor and Gaming pages are fascinating reading....as is reading freely available information online, like Annual Reports or Constitutions

I also don't lay claim to have seen the review document, which so so many seem to know all is contents, despite never having been published anywhere

Ok Julie. 007 username...very covert. You nearly threw us off the scent.

 

[cktiger]

Not correct.

The 27,000 social members of the HBG can vote for 2 members on the board of HBG (formally known as Western Suburbs Leagues Club Ltd) and the 200 general members can vote for 5 board members from the list of debenture holders (which numbers up to, 20, currently at 16).

The there are 7 board members of HBG in total, but all are voted for by various members of the club. It's democratic, just a little different to most other clubs.

Wests Tigers currently has 4 board members

Barry O'Farrell - Independent - Chair (temporary)
Danny Stapleton - Balmain Tigers Football Club
Dennis Burgess - Wests Magpies Football Club
Stephen Montgomery - Holman Barnes Group

There is currently an executive search for 3 more independent directors.

None of the board of Wests Tigers are voted in but they are appointed.

And just a point of order everyone is missing... When you become a "member" of Wests Tigers, you are not really a member, but a season ticket holder. That's it

So 200 general members can vote for five debenture holders positions on the board of seven… and the other 27,000 get to choose two who aren’t debenture holders?
And they are priviged to select from a bunch 16 (who actually decide the five they want to nominate) with many of those being relatives?
With no prerequisite as to whether they are competent business people?
Sounds kosher. 🤣

 

[cdinoz007]

Ok Julie. 007 username...very covert. You nearly threw us off the scent.

Ha ha ha. Still no.

 

[cdinoz007]

So 200 general members can vote for five debenture holders positions on the board of seven… and the other 27,000 get to choose two who aren’t debenture holders?
And they are priviged to select from a bunch 16 (who actually decide the five they want to nominate) with many of those being relatives?
With no prerequisite as to whether they are competent business people?
Sounds kosher. 🤣

Every other club, the members nominate other members to positions on the board.

No prerequisite there either. You just have to be a member.

You could end up with Bob the bin man whose never seen a spreadsheet, or read a financial report in his life

That's how club boards work. And a club I was a member of.... That happened.

I'd wager the average competency of the HBG debentures is higher than many nominations from the floor at other clubs

 

[Magpie_Magic]

So 200 general members can vote for five debenture holders positions on the board of seven… and the other 27,000 get to choose two who aren’t debenture holders?
And they are priviged to select from a bunch 16 (who actually decide the five they want to nominate) with many of those being relatives?
With no prerequisite as to whether they are competent business people?
Sounds kosher. 🤣

I thought you were a club director.?

You would've known this right?

 

[cktiger]

Every other club, the members nominate other members to positions on the board.

No prerequisite there either. You just have to be a member.

You could end up with Bob the bin man whose never seen a spreadsheet, or read a financial report in his life

That's how club boards work. And a club I was a member of.... That happened.

I'd wager the average competency of the HBG debentures is higher than many nominations from the floor at other clubs

Well, looking at some of them, and the way they hide from any hard questions, Bob the bin man might be an improvement.

 

[cktiger]

I thought you were a club director.?

You would've known this right?

I do know this… pointing out how hard it is to actually change anything in the archaic debenture system.
As far as I am aware we are the only club run like this.

 

[cdinoz007]

So 200 general members can vote for five debenture holders positions on the board of seven… and the other 27,000 get to choose two who aren’t debenture holders?
And they are priviged to select from a bunch 16 (who actually decide the five they want to nominate) with many of those being relatives?
With no prerequisite as to whether they are competent business people?
Sounds kosher. 🤣

Let me clarify.

There are 27,000 Social Members

There are 200 General Members.

To become a general member, you need to be a social member for 3 years, and then apply for general membership.

You have to be a General Member to be nominated to become a Debenture Holders.

There are up to a max of 20 debenture holders at any one time

Currently there are 16

Now, the board at the HBG is made up of 5 Debentures Holders and 2 from the floor

Social members can vote for the 2 directors from the floor

General Members vote for 5 board members from the 20 Debenture Holders.

It's a complex arrangement. But it has a structure. And it's democratic

 

[cktiger]

Let me clarify.

There are 27,000 Social Members

There are 200 General Members.

To become a general member, you need to be a social member for 3 years, and then apply for general membership.

You have to be a General Member to be nominated to become a Debenture Holders.

There are up to a max of 20 debenture holders at any one time

Currently there are 16

Now, the board at the HBG is made up of 5 Debentures Holders and 2 from the floor

Social members can vote for the 2 directors from the floor

General Members vote for 5 board members from the 20 Debenture Holders.

It's a complex arrangement. But it has a structure. And it's democratic

Yes, I was aware of that.
Unlike yourself I don’t find it democratic at all and I doubt most would.
Unless of course you are a debenture holder.
Also seems odd there are only 200 people out of 27,000 who have been members for 3 years and couldn’t be bothered to apply for general membership.
Is it even offered to them … or widely known by those members?

 

[vlad]

Let me clarify.

There are 27,000 Social Members

There are 200 General Members.

To become a general member, you need to be a social member for 3 years, and then apply for general membership.

You have to be a General Member to be nominated to become a Debenture Holders.

There are up to a max of 20 debenture holders at any one time

Currently there are 16

Now, the board at the HBG is made up of 5 Debentures Holders and 2 from the floor

Social members can vote for the 2 directors from the floor

General Members vote for 5 board members from the 20 Debenture Holders.

It's a complex arrangement. But it has a structure. And it's democratic

From the wests Ashfield website .
Hidden a long way down the bottom of the by laws ..literally at the end

n) Nominations for the position of debenture holder director must be proposed & seconded by existing debenture holder members
o) On the occasion of vacancies on the board reserved for debenture holders , the preselection process of the debenture holder group will be conducted by the debenture holders.

Sounds really democratic 🤣

It also gives no detail about what a debenture holder is or what power they have .

 

[cdinoz007]

Yes, I was aware of that.
Unlike yourself I don’t find it democratic at all and I doubt most would.
Unless of course you are a debenture holder.
Also seems odd there are only 200 people out of 27,000 who have been members for 3 years and couldn’t be bothered to apply for general membership.
Is it even offered to them … or widely known by those members?

Now that's the question!

Let's be real, at most clubs, all members want is a cheap feed, a cold beer and to play on the pokies or turn up for bingo and the meat raffle.

It's only ever a minority who ever bother turning up to the AGM

My local club has 15,000 members. We fight to persuade 50 to go to the AGM to get quorum!

This is a common theme with clubs. It's only the active few who take part.

Yes, it's advertised at HBG for the membership.. But there is no more incentive for extra discounts of food or beer to be genersl member. So the applications apparently are few

 

[weststigers]

Every other club, the members nominate other members to positions on the board.

No prerequisite there either. You just have to be a member.

You could end up with Bob the bin man whose never seen a spreadsheet, or read a financial report in his life

That's how club boards work. And a club I was a member of.... That happened.

I'd wager the average competency of the HBG debentures is higher than many nominations from the floor at other clubs

Bob the bin man would get voted out if he was doing a bad job. How do we boot these idiots when they are doing the same?

 

[cktiger]

Now that's the question!

Let's be real, at most clubs, all members want is a cheap feed, a cold beer and to play on the pokies or turn up for bingo and the meat raffle.

It's only ever a minority who ever bother turning up to the AGM

My local club has 15,000 members. We fight to persuade 50 to go to the AGM to get quorum!

This is a common theme with clubs. It's only the active few who take part.

Yes, it's advertised at HBG for the membership.. But there is no more incentive for extra discounts of food or beer to be genersl member. So the applications apparently are few

In a way I can understand why they don’t bother… but after this turmoil a few more might.
Even if you can vote you basically get told who you can vote for… and it seems when vacant spots become available for the 20 ‘chosen’ ones they seem to be distributed to family and friends.

 

[cdinoz007]

In a way I can understand why they don’t bother… but after this turmoil a few more might.
Even if you can vote you basically get told who you can vote for… and it seems when vacant spots become available for the 20 ‘chosen’ ones they seem to be distributed to family and friends.

Obviously, you had at one stage, the two Hargrove brothers plus the wife (Julie Romero) and then there is both Denny and Claire Burgess.

With the passing of one of the brothers last year, the family connection has reduced.

But let's face it, if people are members and they want their friends on the board, they will encourage them to follow that same process.

 

[cdinoz007]

Then why are you concerned?

You keep trotting this out. I don’t care.

If it’s futile then so be it.

I'm not concerned.

I'm merely stating the obvious. Reading the comments on the petition, many seem to thing the L&G can "force" the club to change etc etc


And they cannot

 

[Tucker]

I'm not concerned.

I'm merely stating the obvious. Reading the comments on the petition, many seem to thing the L&G can "force" the club to change etc etc


And they cannot

The more I read about things, the more I think change cannot be forced…especially through a petition.
Negotiation rather than threats may have had a better effect. Screaming that every recommendation from a review must be implemented is crazy. The world doesn’t operate that way.