Taking a wrecking ball to the club! (Recent Media Reports)

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WestsEffTheRest said:
Why would supporters in the South West have a problem with this? It’s not like the petition is asking to stop playing games at Campbelltown or to nullify the MacArthur area & focus more on the Balmain/Ryde area. This division needs to stop it’s not Wests vs Balmain here. All me & many others want is for the HBG to fully implement the review & grant the WT’s their independence from Wests Ashfield & the HBG. It really is quite that simple.
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100%, it is a total furphy to suggest this is any way related to any bias towards or against the foundation clubs. Both need to get over themselves, get out of the way and let Wests Tigers reach it’s potential.
 
Magpie_Magic said:
Of course it's not about Balmain and Wests.

But it is becoming so.

Like two brothers seeking legal recourse in order to control their inherited business.......where both have contacts, customers etc this is toxic and won't help the passion......I'm losing mine.

Whatever happens won't be up to us.

But we will feel it.
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Not one comment on here mentioning Balmain should get more/less/stand alone.

Only Balmain v Wests chat is from you and your mate, plus some other random accounts that have never commented before the last week.

All comments here are about HBG and Wests Tigers independence from it and all the nonsense.

Unfortunately, you see HBG as Wests Magpies and any criticism of them is immediately criticism of the Magpies.

Never seen someone totally talk past the true talking points as much as you.
 
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BZN said:
You're correct, it is "our" leagues club, with Wests Magpies having a 90% stake and Balmain a near useless 10%. So, when are people going to understand that and admit that is a fact.
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No. Holman Barnes has the majority stake. The name being the combination between Keith barnes (Balmain) and Keith holdman (Magpies). It's the members club and a large portion of us are probably HBG members.

I deal with people who can't change as my job. It's tough for some. But you need to try man. 25 years...
 
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KevB said:
Unfortunately Cochise many of the posters on here appear to be Balmain affiliated in some way, and anti Wests Ashfield/Western Suburbs.

If you happen to post anything supporting Wests Ashfield/Western Suburbs you are intimidated by posters who think they own the forum.

Mate it would be interesting to know how Wests Tigers supporters in the south west of Sydney feel about all of this.

I do think all of wests Tigrers demographic of supporters should come together as one as Wests Tigers members and supporters. But I think the way some members of this forum are causing division within Wests Tigers as a united club.
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Wrong.
Most posters on here are affiliated with WestsTigers… whether originally Balmain or Magpies supporters or having grown up with only the WestsTigers.
Only a few look like they never moved on.
 
Joel Helmes said:
100%, it is a total furphy to suggest this is any way related to any bias towards or against the foundation clubs. Both need to get over themselves, get out of the way and let Wests Tigers reach it’s potential.
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I think you could have left out 'magpie diehards' in the petition. Using the fear of bringing back the magpies clouded the issue for me.
 
Magpie_Magic said:
Benny and Sirro done a horrible job in those early years allowing for a balmainianisation of the club and disenfranchising many Wests fans lost to the club while not properly engaging with the south west .

Where all the division stems from.

The forum was better but it's gradually turned into a balmainiansed WT forum.

Just turning the fans away.
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That quote isnt mine??
 
KevB said:
Unfortunately Cochise many of the posters on here appear to be Balmain affiliated in some way, and anti Wests Ashfield/Western Suburbs.

If you happen to post anything supporting Wests Ashfield/Western Suburbs you are intimidated by posters who think they own the forum.

Mate it would be interesting to know how Wests Tigers supporters in the south west of Sydney feel about all of this.

I do think all of wests Tigrers demographic of supporters should come together as one as Wests Tigers members and supporters. But I think the way some members of this forum are causing division within Wests Tigers as a united club.
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It seems to me that we all support Wests Tigers, we’re proud of our heritage and we want the custodians of our club to do better. We’ve been too bad for too long. Something’s rotten at the top and has to change.

You make a good point that all WT supporters should come together as one. Let’s all hold our punches and turn up the heat on the useless sods at the top!
 
cktiger said:
Wrong.
Most posters on here are affiliated with WestsTigers… whether originally Balmain or Magpies supporters or having grown up with only the WestsTigers.
Only a few look like they never moved on.
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Benny and Sirro done a horrible job in those early years allowing for a balmainianisation of the club and disenfranchising many Wests fans lost to the club while not properly engaging with the south west .

Where all the division stems from.

The forum was better but it's gradually turned into a balmainiansed WT forum.

Just turning the fans away.
 
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dthummler said:
I am an old Balmain boy, now 78. Balmain RL and Wests RL merged to form Wests Tigers. Both clubs voted for the merger in 1999. The Board now controlling Wests Tigers has 7 members.
I keep on reading that 27, 000 members vote for 1 member on that Board. I am surmising that these are Wests Ashfield members. Another member is from Balmain. (How many members vote for that person? Anyone know?) The rest are Holman Barnes Group members voted in by 18 (may be only 17) other HBG debenture holders. Debenture holders paid 50 pounds originally in 1955 to set up Wests RLC. Since that time, new debenture holders have been accepted into the HBG by the existing members and the existing members only, paying $100 (?.) I think I am right so far.
I have read nearly every post to about the current turmoil. I have signed two petitions. I have listened to many, many podcasts. I agree with the current petition that the whole situation needs a dramatic. overhaul. I have read ad nauseam about how undemocratic all this is.
As of 2000, I have been a Wests Tigers fan and have been a paid up member for over ten years. Following Wests Tigers is a major part of my life. Never once have I been asked to vote for a Board member of MY CLUB. I know, I know that Balmain has folded, that Wests Ashfield put major funds into the football club. However, NSWRL put in most of the money that makes OUR Club function, unless I am mistaken. After years of utter misery, we are in a position to compete with Shane Richardson at the helm. This won't last long if the current situation prevails.
We need a fresh start. We can rise from the ashes BUT ALL Wests Tigers members must have a say. Let's start with the review but can we please make a move for a total democratic constitution in which Wests Tigers Members vote for the Board members who run OUR CLUB?
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Not correct.

The 27,000 social members of the HBG can vote for 2 members on the board of HBG (formally known as Western Suburbs Leagues Club Ltd) and the 200 general members can vote for 5 board members from the list of debenture holders (which numbers up to, 20, currently at 16).

The there are 7 board members of HBG in total, but all are voted for by various members of the club. It's democratic, just a little different to most other clubs.

Wests Tigers currently has 4 board members

Barry O'Farrell - Independent - Chair (temporary)
Danny Stapleton - Balmain Tigers Football Club
Dennis Burgess - Wests Magpies Football Club
Stephen Montgomery - Holman Barnes Group

There is currently an executive search for 3 more independent directors.

None of the board of Wests Tigers are voted in but they are appointed.

And just a point of order everyone is missing... When you become a "member" of Wests Tigers, you are not really a member, but a season ticket holder. That's it
 
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You guys can just meet up at Wests Ashfield and do that in person and stop clogging up the thread with tears about Benny Elias and Sirro not paying you enough attention twenty years ago.

If you’re still salty about that maybe you should harden up a little?

Quite pathetic to run the Wests Tigers into the ground over it.
 
tigermate said:
Why is anyone who supports the petition, the demise of Romero and co, and wanting a full ownership restructure of our club responding to anyone on here who disagrees?

It’s just pages and pages of BS from people who support HBG and the magpies

The same people who think HBG are doing a good job

I say let them be

Don’t respond

It’s a waste of time

There’s 98% of us who all think HBG at the moment are a joke and full of egotistical self centered losers who have done nothing but destabilize all the good work Richo and Barry have done to date

We will continue the fight

We have already outed the debenture holders

Now it’s time to create disunity between the debenture holders

And force the government to intervene

We have already forced HBG to commit to the recs - and this is in 1 day of getting the debenture holder names and feeding them to Chammas and carrayanis

All those who helped with this know who they are

And we will fight on until we crush Romero and co.

If any of you are mates with Romero or burgess - tell them we won’t stop until 30,000 fans petition outside of their board meetings

And we will contact all debenture holders and force them to create a new governance structure for our club

18 people don’t want 30,000 hating them

And this is the pressure we need to keep applying
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Let's be real, most people have no idea who the Debenture holders are.

Why create disunity between the debenture holders? That's only going to cause more strife at Wests Tigers. You should be asking for harmony.

You haven't forced the HBG to commit to anything. They had already ratified the recommendations in Dec 2023.

Seriously, you won't get "30,000 people outside their board meetings". You want your voices heard? Join HBG and attend the AGM

The Govt will not intervene. There is no question that any wrong doing has occurred at the club, no fraud and no breaking of laws. You don't like their structure.... That's not something the govt can change . It's a perfectly legal structure. The only people who can charge the constitution of HBG are it's board and it's members. They have to want to change.
 
TigerJunior4 said:
We don’t care what the impetus was we just want to see good governance practices implemented at both Wests Tigers and HBG.

I’m pretty sure the many of the others who signed the petition share my sentiments but I think it’s a great thing Liquor and Gaming are involved and investigating regardless of whether they investigated pre-petition or not.
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You know the only thing they can investigate is if any wrong doing has happened?

The L&G cannot make any legal challenges to the constitution of the leagues club.

The Constitution is in the public domain, it's not secretly hidden away and is there for all to see. It's been approved already by the NSW Liquor and Gaming
 
cdinoz007 said:
Let's be real, most people have no idea who the Debenture holders are.

Why create disunity between the debenture holders? That's only going to cause more strife at Wests Tigers. You should be asking for harmony.

You haven't forced the HBG to commit to anything. They had already ratified the recommendations in Dec 2023.

Seriously, you won't get "30,000 people outside their board meetings". You want your voices heard? Join HBG and attend the AGM

The Govt will not intervene. There is no question that any wrong doing has occurred at the club, no fraud and no breaking of laws. You don't like their structure.... That's not something the govt can change . It's a perfectly legal structure. The only people who can charge the constitution of HBG are it's board and it's members. They have to want to change.
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Julie? Is that you?
 
cdinoz007 said:
You know the only thing they can investigate is if any wrong doing has happened?

The L&G cannot make any legal challenges to the constitution of the leagues club.

The Constitution is in the public domain, it's not secretly hidden away and is there for all to see. It's been approved already by the NSW Liquor and Gaming
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Then why are you concerned?

You keep trotting this out. I don’t care.

If it’s futile then so be it.
 
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