Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

Oldman said:
So what are your thoughts on the money that Latu Fainu is supposedly on $500k ?
I know who we got value for money from in 2024
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Like I said at the Tigers specialist in paying overs

That's part of the reason I like Richo so much from what I know he only paid bigs overs once at Souths to get the ball rolling in recruitment and then stopped and paid around market value
 
orange&black said:
Interesting how different people see things- see I don’t see Benji’s “falling out” as you call it, as a Benji problem so much. Furthermore I don’t agree with the description of those particular players as “quality NRL players” specifically, particularly with regards to the way they played at the Tigers, especially in recent seasons.
Every one of the players you have mentioned had specific performance issues that Benji called them out on - some might say that it needed to be done and applaud him for doing it when previous coaches never seemed to want to.
Also, I think it’s yet to be seen whether his “failures” in this area lead us to a better squad and better results. Certainly I for one am not unhappy that he has made it clear what he is expecting from experienced players and I am also not unhappy that the players you mentioned are on the outer or already “outed”!
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I think the fact all the players he supposedly fell out with , have a legacy of getting offside with coaching staff is a pretty big factor in this .
I’d say no matter what Benji said to them , whether bullshit or as if the insights of Warren Ryan , combined with Bellamy and using Wayne Bennett tact , had spewed out of his mouth , the fact it was negative and Benji delivering the messages , meant the players weren’t going to listen and chuck a wobbly .
The “what do you know , you’ve been a coach since morning tea “ dismissal would have taken effect . Until Benji gets runs on the board , and wins , there will be players who will chose this avenue . Maybe they saw him as a guy they could take the piss on, maybe it’s deeper and Benji has shit delivery in his negative interactions , either way I don’t think the outcome ours have changed .
Benji needed to go full Madge / Bellamy dictator this offseason , as if he went the , “we are all in this together” approach From last year , would have maybe lost the dressing room.
And I don’t care what anyone says , Bateman was captain and the worst guy on the field , and had been that way for weeks prior . Naden is 28 and 27 back then , was seen as a leader , did press conferences where he was as asked those questions , same with AD, and naden delivered the worst performance I think I’ve ever seen at centre .
That has zero to do with babying kids ,and everything to do with their own lack of accountability for themselves .
It looks like naden has woken up to himself , but Bateman will take his Schtick to NQ and history will repeat itself for the 4th time .
He needs wins , though , that’s just a fact . Everyone knows this team is at least potentially a top 8 contender . It’s up to the coaching staff to deliver now .
 
innsaneink said:
He told them to throw it around where if we'd played tight percentage footy, kick to corners etc we likely win, we'd won our two prior games but he tells them to throw it around, they do and drop it time after time after time gifting it to parra
He admitted he screwed up
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Maybe right. But was there on the night. The way we played. We had no chance. Not sure about the throwing it around? It’s something I am used to now and we have been doing it since 2005 (worked then) but if he told them not to tackle…which they forgot to..then I would also be pissed. Anyway on that night Parra came to play. We were still in the sheds.
 
Odessa said:
Wow has Galvin done anything? Has he played 25 first grade games he helped win his first spoon

In time he mite be a great player
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Yes, hard to pay overs on potential. Big money usually goes to those who have done it, and can do it again.
I wouldn’t imagine Thurston was overpaid when he left the Dogs but his subsequent contracts would have taken some giant steps.
I think that’s how it will go for Galvin.
 
Halbrowne61 said:
Yes, hard to pay overs on potential. Big money usually goes to those who have done it, and can do it again.
I wouldn’t imagine Thurston was overpaid when he left the Dogs but his subsequent contracts would have taken some giant steps.
I think that’s how it will go for Galvin.
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Thurston won a grand final with the dogs in 2004.
 
Odessa said:
Luai was offered 700K on his third offer from Penrith and at the time a 3 time premiership winner and over 100 first grade games
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That tells me that he wasn’t seen by them ( irrespective of media hype) as the organiser, or even sub organiser, and they maybe see him as having peaked.
We paid massive dollars in the hope he truly wants to prove himself in a tougher environment. Let’s hope that’s what happens.
I’m interested to read he’s still living in Leonay ( I think) and was recently talking about the long drive ew to Concord. Plenty of people who live out there feel the same, so I wonder if that might be an issue down the line.
 
Halbrowne61 said:
Yes, hard to pay overs on potential. Big money usually goes to those who have done it, and can do it again.
I wouldn’t imagine Thurston was overpaid when he left the Dogs but his subsequent contracts would have taken some giant steps.
I think that’s how it will go for Galvin.
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Galvin played just as good as Dylan Brown did last year. With 90 less games and 500k less.
 
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orange&black said:
Interesting how different people see things- see I don’t see Benji’s “falling out” as you call it, as a Benji problem so much. Furthermore I don’t agree with the description of those particular players as “quality NRL players” specifically, particularly with regards to the way they played at the Tigers, especially in recent seasons.
Every one of the players you have mentioned had specific performance issues that Benji called them out on - some might say that it needed to be done and applaud him for doing it when previous coaches never seemed to want to.
Also, I think it’s yet to be seen whether his “failures” in this area lead us to a better squad and better results. Certainly I for one am not unhappy that he has made it clear what he is expecting from experienced players and I am also not unhappy that the players you mentioned are on the outer or already “outed”!
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The 5 players I mentioned have all played tier internationals or origin with the exception of Nofoaluma who was a former Dally M winger. 2 of those players (Nof and JOf) have won the clubs player of the year, so proven they can perform here. I can certainly understand the viewpoint that they weren't necessarily quality players during Marshall's time here, but they clearly have proven to be quality when correctly managed.

I suspect only Nofoaluma has individual issues bigger than any coach could overcome at the time he was moved on. He is also the only one that I believe fits the description of previous coaches failing to address performance. Of the other 4 JOf was our player of the year in 22 the year before Marshall (and Sheens) took over and Utoikamanu played his Origin game in 23, Marshall's (and Sheens) first year. The other 2 weren't here prior to 23 to have performance issues under other coaches.

Yes they weren't playing particularly well here but is it not on the coach to get the best out of them?
Yes, moving on these under performers may result in a better squad. The hope is that the new improved squad being 'his squad' will mean he is better placed to get the best out of them.
The major concern for me is if he couldn't get those guys to perform well why will he get the new and improved squad to perform well?
 
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