Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Jolls]

Disagree Mate,
Our defence is passive as a whole, I've basically seen every team in the comp attack with their defence at some point - Outside us.
Another thing I've said, Is we don't dominate in the tackles, We catch them, And take them to ground.
It's coached and has been through many different squads in the last decade or more.

Funnily enough, On the rare occasion we do go in search of the collision, We seem to go OK.
But we can't ever do it for long enough...
that's also coaching.

We're constantly on the retreat in defence, A lot of the time we look brittle enough to bust open on ever play - Like surviving the 6 tackles is some kind of achievement. The anxiety is next level.

We've never been able to handle being uncomfortable, The good teams thrive in it. Even some lower teams are happy to get into the Grind of going Toe to Toe.

We're soft
- We don't know what high level NRL intensity is..

We've bought in some high level players that know that intensity, I just hope we don't golf day it out of them - We have enough young fellas to follow if the bar is set.
Suggesting it will be set by the coach is fanciful - His playing days at the club were the catalyst for it.

Every set starts deep in the opponents half - Attitude and Coaching in Defence is what keeps them there.

I agree with .most of what you have said;, the key point you raise is our inability to put together good defence for any length of time. So clearly they do know what is expected of them and they can string it together. The technical aspects of the coaching in defence is there. The execution, attitude and frustration is linked,.in my opinion, ro them.being knackered too early. Unable.ro attack with their defence because of it.

Too soft, definitely. I think your points arr based on the attitude component of coaching whereas I was looking at the technical aspects of defensive play. Either way, 100%we need to coach attitude!

 

[Ron Brodrick's Spirit]

Brissie is a nice neutral temp

I've hardly had the aircon. on all summer.
Coupla ladyboys having a literal meltdown on here.

 

[batboy]

I agree with .most of what you have said;, the key point you raise is our inability to put together good defence for any length of time. So clearly they do know what is expected of them and they can string it together. The technical aspects of the coaching in defence is there. The execution, attitude and frustration is linked,.in my opinion, ro them.being knackered too early. Unable.ro attack with their defence because of it.

Too soft, definitely. I think your points arr based on the attitude component of coaching whereas I was looking at the technical aspects of defensive play. Either way, 100%we need to coach attitude!

Having the head coach running around out there smiling his head off trying to relive his youth running the opposed sessions is hardly going to build any attitude in defence.

That's also coaching.

 

[Jolls]

There’s zero correlation that improved attack will improve the defence, it’s still a major concern we still have the same coaching staff.

There is no direct link sure, but where they start their set is the foundation of the defensive structure and play In this sense they arr definitely linked

 

[vlad]

PSA

Fox League ch 502 are running a series of the top 25 fullbacks of the NRL era .

One of the episodes is on Brett Hodgson .

Look up episode #19

 

[Jolls]

Having the head coach running around out there smiling his head off trying to relive his youth running the opposed sessions is hardly going to build any attitude in defence.

That's also coaching.

True, but how much of that does he actually do? Is it the aspect the media like ro report for views or does he have rhe balance right. Certainly many of the players seem to think that his ability to show them is valuable (in the media anyway).

Attitude definitely starts with the coaching staff and is something gx that needs to improve

 

[batboy]

True, but how much of that does he actually do? Is it the aspect the media like ro report for views or does he have rhe balance right. Certainly many of the players seem to think that his ability to show them is valuable (in the media anyway).

Attitude definitely starts with the coaching staff and is something gx that needs to improve

More than Ivan Cleary or Craig Bellamy has ever done I'll bet.
the fact that nearly all of the squad mentions it - seen plenty of photos of it.
Would seem commonplace to me.

 

[liltiger]

Can't remember where I saw it but I think it was Api, who said Benji will jump in at training for him to give him a break.

 

[liltiger]

More than Ivan Cleary or Craig Bellamy has ever done I'll bet.
the fact that nearly all of the squad mentions it - seen plenty of photos of it.
Would seem commonplace to me.

I'm torn on it eh. On one hand I get it he does things his own way working with the younger generation so I can understand why he does it, makes him more relatable. On the other I would prefer he stood on the side line barking orders so the players know he is approachable but not just another one of the guys. I wouldn't be jumping in, I'd just be barking orders to firmly set boundaries. But each their own I'm not nor will I ever be a first grade quality coach.

 

[Red88_Tiger]

I'm torn on it eh. On one hand I get it he does things his own way working with the younger generation so I can understand why he does it, makes him more relatable. On the other I would prefer he stood on the side line barking orders so the players know he is approachable but not just another one of the guys. I wouldn't be jumping in, I'd just be barking orders to firmly set boundaries. But each their own I'm not nor will I ever be a first grade quality coach.

I’m pretty much to your way of thinking
I think he should show how it’s done but not fill in
If someone needs a break get the next guy up to get some continuity

 

[Rock Hopper Steve]

I'm torn on it eh. On one hand I get it he does things his own way working with the younger generation so I can understand why he does it, makes him more relatable. On the other I would prefer he stood on the side line barking orders so the players know he is approachable but not just another one of the guys. I wouldn't be jumping in, I'd just be barking orders to firmly set boundaries. But each their own I'm not nor will I ever be a first grade quality coach.

Is it still happening this off season or has he retired it.

 

[liltiger]

Is it still happening this off season or has he retired it.

No idea mate, I only vaguely remember someone saying he would hop in to give Api a breather but for the life of me can't remember where I saw it. Havnt heard it mentioned in a while though to be totally fair.

 

[Camel2281]

They are still first graders.
It’s insincere to say we didn’t have any bar 2 last year man…

Yeah I don't agree with that comment either

 

[GCfan]

Disagree Mate,
Our defence is passive as a whole, I've basically seen every team in the comp attack with their defence at some point - Outside us.
Another thing I've said, Is we don't dominate in the tackles, We catch them, And take them to ground.
It's coached and has been through many different squads in the last decade or more.

Funnily enough, On the rare occasion we do go in search of the collision, We seem to go OK.
But we can't ever do it for long enough...
that's also coaching.

We're constantly on the retreat in defence, A lot of the time we look brittle enough to bust open on ever play - Like surviving the 6 tackles is some kind of achievement. The anxiety is next level.

We've never been able to handle being uncomfortable, The good teams thrive in it. Even some lower teams are happy to get into the Grind of going Toe to Toe.

We're soft
- We don't know what high level NRL intensity is..

We've bought in some high level players that know that intensity, I just hope we don't golf day it out of them - We have enough young fellas to follow if the bar is set.
Suggesting it will be set by the coach is fanciful - His playing days at the club were the catalyst for it.

Every set starts deep in the opponents half - Attitude and Coaching in Defence is what keeps them there.

“Golf day it out of them”
Love it!

Wonder what’s worse, Golf day it out of them or White water raft it out of them. Hopefully the army camp it’s into them

 

[Rock Hopper Steve]

No idea mate, I only vaguely remember someone saying he would hop in to give Api a breather but for the life of me can't remember where I saw it. Havnt heard it mentioned in a while though to be totally fair.

Personally think it's time to give away the buddy system now mate, put someone else in he has given instructions to, show them the games are over he can still give them a cuddle when needed.

 

[rugbygoated]

Anyone think forgotten Johnny Morris may get the gig if Benji can’t do it this year? He’s shown more as a FG coach than Benji has. I’ll back BM for half the season if we don’t defend like bustards- benji like other rookies has failed and has something to prove (same as his playing career over time) - and he’ll be busting his arse to win the TV show - problem is the hard working serviceable players like Morris are usually better coaches. I wanted Flanagan (because he is a c word) - but I’m glad he is not here. I’d love Benj to succeed, but how many super star players like him have been successful? Ivan was great but no Benji and that’s all that comes to mind

Billy slater the only one that comes to mind but that's with a great qld team. The correlation of great players being not so great coaches, and average or lesser known players being great coaches is incredible. Ricky Stuart a bit of an outlier but then again his coaching has been poor the last few years. Madge, Bellamy, Gould, Ciraldo, Robinson were no standouts. I'd say Ivan Cleary is the best former player in the game who is currently a great coach in the game

 

[rugbygoated]

Might be overreacting a bit but this quote from Tito regarding Benji has me worried a bit -

“And then he was just talking to me, like, brah, you don’t have to treat me like that. I’m one of the boys. So that was pretty cool to hear from him. It was pretty cool to see.”

Benji definitely does come off as 'one of the boys'. I think it's our biggest issue heading into the season is how he will change his approach and I am very uncertain that he would be willing to be less 'flexible' and holding mediocre standards. Regardless of how many great resignings/signings in the off season, how many training camps, positive culture vibes, punishments for players being unfit, or anything else, none of this hype in the off season will mean anything if the most important figure in the club can't deliver.

 

[Kaito]

Might be overreacting a bit but this quote from Tito regarding Benji has me worried a bit -

“And then he was just talking to me, like, brah, you don’t have to treat me like that. I’m one of the boys. So that was pretty cool to hear from him. It was pretty cool to see.”

Benji definitely does come off as 'one of the boys'. I think it's our biggest issue heading into the season is how he will change his approach and I am very uncertain that he would be willing to be less 'flexible' and holding mediocre standards. Regardless of how many great resignings/signings in the off season, how many training camps, positive culture vibes, punishments for players being unfit, or anything else, none of this hype in the off season will mean anything if the most important figure in the club can't deliver.

Worried about a throwaway quote from a few weeks ago man, get it together, like the rest of the forum. There is too much to be excited about right know. Laugh now cry l8r

 

[TheKhan]

Worried about a throwaway quote from a few weeks ago man, get it together, like the rest of the forum. There is too much to be excited about right know. Laugh now cry l8r

100% agree. But also feel like we are all just preparing for the habitual fall that comes after the highs of every off season gaha

 

[Year_of_the_Tiger]

I've hardly had the aircon. on all summer.
Coupla ladyboys having a literal meltdown on here.

Cost of living biting you man boys?