Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

old_man_tiger said:
I'm not writing this because im excited by a Facebook rumour. More to make a point about KPP.

If you are going to overpay for one of them I'd take Fafita as we have seen his ceiling and it is elite, but the risk is high.

KPP is a project player still and he shouldnt be, doesn't use his size, isn't bad, but not that much cheaper than David F when you think about it.
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I’d probably agree with you but I think Fifita will cost at least 200k more than KPP.
 
Fifita has genuine X factor but imo only shows it on lesser teams. When there is pressure defence of better sides he seems to go into his shell
Really suits running after a quick play the ball
 
Red88_Tiger said:
Fifita has genuine X factor but imo only shows it on lesser teams. When there is pressure defence of better sides he seems to go into his shell
Really suits running after a quick play the ball
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Fifita is 25...if he's going to live up to his potential, his time is now.

Worth a punt on 600k for 2-3 years, but more than that is too much on current form.

The lower contract might take the pressure off him too.

KPP hasn't shown any form, ever, to suggest he will make a material difference to our team. He has shown what he is capable of and it's not that exciting.

Fifita at least showing a little at times. Not a lot on the market, so I would give him the chance based on the Gold Coast being a place where careers tend to die rather than flourish. Too hot, too relaxed, paid too much, too many women and too many distractions. It's possible this could be part of the issue up there.
 
If you look at the players Richardson and Marshall have purchased, they are either established players such as Luai and Turuva or young players with great potential like May. If the Broncos and Knights have cap constraints Willison, Mariner, KPP etc fit the profile of potential recruits. I am not sure if Fifita is a good fit for WTs.
 
weststigers said:
Fifita is 25...if he's going to live up to his potential, his time is now.

Worth a punt on 600k for 2-3 years, but more than that is too much on current form.

The lower contract might take the pressure off him too.

KPP hasn't shown any form, ever, to suggest he will make a material difference to our team. He has shown what he is capable of and it's not that exciting.

Fifita at least showing a little at times. Not a lot on the market, so I would give him the chance based on the Gold Coast being a place where careers tend to die rather than flourish. Too hot, too relaxed, paid too much, too many women and too many distractions. It's possible this could be part of the issue up there.
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* Fantasy talk *

Imagine if we DID sign him & he comes and returns to origin form.

It'd be like Terrell Davis May all over again.
Good player, unwanted by club for whatever reason, comes to Tigers and goes beast mode.

Quite the story.
 
BAGNF05 said:
Bellamy has mainly been ok with centres who make their tackles and don’t make errors, if your wingers are finishing off the tries I don’t necessarily think you need big names at centre. Wouldn’t knock Stephen Crichton back though.
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True, though he had GI for awhile...

But I think it makes a good point with the storm. You have centers who hold the line. Centers are so so critical to defense along with good wingers. When you have a solid backline you can take an underperforming forward pack. Bellamy just grabs 1x wrecking ball (croker, Blair, etc) and lets the rest of his forwards make it on effort.

Likewise Manly.. We used to see power centers there. now we see average centers but decent defenders who can pass the ball.

Happy for us to stick with Toa/AD or include Taylan May in the mix.. No idea what happened with Toa/AD but boy they improved out of sight.
 
old_man_tiger said:
I'm not writing this because im excited by a Facebook rumour. More to make a point about KPP.

If you are going to overpay for one of them I'd take Fafita as we have seen his ceiling and it is elite, but the risk is high.

KPP is a project player still and he shouldnt be, doesn't use his size, isn't bad, but not that much cheaper than David F when you think about it.
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It depends on the squad make up.

Both are around the same age, one with 100 more games experience. On raw talent & cost Fafita wins but if we look at squad dynamics KPP offers us something interesting but do we want another project or known.

I mean if Sammy wants and is willing to play right it’s an easy choice but if he isn’t then we have an issue.

Fafita is a left side player & only wants to play that side. Having him with Luai probably the best half that finds a backrower in the comp is mouth watering. Downside is price & he has had far too many moments in which his head just isn’t in it. His body has played a part mixed with himself. Not many 20yr olds when they get the money thrown at him like he did are always in the right headspace. His prime years should be the next 4-5. His price tag is based on 5-10 impact games a year & his pure size/talent which is proven, issue is always consistency. Other aspect is he definitely would attract more $$$ if he clicked.

KPP can play on both sides is a year yonger and is a big project player. But he hasn’t shown anywhere near the upside of Fafita. Add to that we struggle to use our right edge currently & his asking price is more on potential rather than proven ability. Either the Knights don’t know how to use him or he isn’t a tackle buster/game breaker but he hasn’t been effective on the edge in his 20-30games, his ratios attack wise don’t offer us really more than Sammy or Seyfarth. Defensively he is ok, he has moments but all back rowers do but he looks to be improving. For his current price I just don’t understand why we would especially as we want proven upside players now given what we are building towards.

Then we have Sammy who is 21 and a left side player and his 2 brothers. He has 3-4 years on both players and is a progress player but is delivering for the most part on the left edge. He is for the most part consistent for a 21 yr old backrower that’s rare to find. He only has upside. Is playing long minutes as well, also has the islander connection. I haven’t seen him play right, he has played alot at prop in juniors and maybe that could be a future shift but why when we have Pole, May, Hunt rotations - plus he potentially doesn’t start which is a waste. If Latu is viewed to roam the left maybe moving Sammy to the left could work but the real question is do we need it.

Seyfarth as much as I haven’t been a fan of him as a starter v squad rotation player he is doing his job. Over the years he has moved all around the place and his effort can’t be questioned. Defensively he is solid and supports his outside players. He is agile and often 2nd/3rd man in slowing the ruck speed. He isn’t breaking the bank and somehow has a knack at times of playing a part in our scoring with some ball playing skills. He isn’t a tackle buster or massive threat but we have seen he can find a hole to run into if a half plays that side (which they rarely do). I do think he is a part of the reason for why our backs on the right are having more space due to his lines and ball playing. He also isn’t breaking the bank.

Anyway tried to take the raw emotion of the wow out of it as our focus is team first. Fafita probably doesn’t fit that, the other 3 in someway probably do but value is the main Q.
 
Does attitude really ever change In players who can't find it at more than one club but come with a reputation of showing up occasionally. Fifita is like a Latrell - you go all in get excited by what they are capable of then deal with the problem when the expectation doesn't meet the output and then still move things around to try.and accommodate them.
Id take two work horses everyday of the week over a high price occasional impact player.
 
Oldman said:
Some players have just got it, hitting a hole at speed
You mentioned Nikora he is one of the best hole running 2nd rowers in the comp.
Luai had Sorensen at Penrith who also could hit a hole at speed.
I know Sorensen was a speedy back growing up in the juniors at Cronulla and I suspect Nikora would have been the same.
Unfortunately our 2nd rowers look like they have played all their life putting their head in a scrum just taking hit up after hit up.
We need to recruit players that can do the job because at the moment we don’t have that type of player in our roster.
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Agree and definitely could use some extra juice in the back row and at lock. Im sure Richo and Benji are on the case, without being harsh towards Red and Sammy who are toilers.
 
I think the FB rumour is rubbish, usually when high profile players are allowed to leave while under contract, it's all over the media well before they sign somewhere else. Terrell May for example.

If there was an option to get Fifita and play him on the left side, then I'm sure the club can sell the right side to Samuela - particularly the part about him linking up with Latu again on that side.
 
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