OFFICIAL Lachlan Galvin #277 *Released* Career Discussion.

[Kelce68]

Yes we can.
He has proven it for a couple of seasons now.
Of course we should wait for the season to pan out, but surely hes unlikely to proceed to next year unless things improve.

Many shortcomings no doubt.

But we're two dropped balls over the line from being equal third (on points) at the halfway point of the season.

You don't get a first grade team to that position, after 3 spoons, with the skinniest and youngest squad in the league, if you can't coach.

You simply don't.

 

[Kelce68]

Its a romantic concept.
Its also a foolish one.
Look at Brooks. He stayed loyal, saw no success and copped shit for it left right and centre. He finally says screw this, I want something better and plays finals his first year away and gets selected for the PMs 13 where he plays very well.

Brooks saw no success and copped shit in spite of his loyalty, not because of it. He copped shit because of output and lack of results. Literally nothing else. In fact, he's one of the few players who people wished well once he left, why? Because, in spite of his lack of results over the years, the fans and club recognised what he gave to the jersey over the years, particularly being the only one of that crop to stay the course.

Don't forget that he turned down several big offers along the way. Newcastle nearly had him for big money at one point.

His loyalty played no baring on his success as a footballer. The side, squad and development around him did. As did his own poor performances.

Additionally, he didn't experience better results last year (he's going wonderfully average this year) because of his decision to move on, it was because he landed in a better team.

There's plenty of examples of players experiencing success following showing loyalty to their team (look at the Stewart-era Manly sides for eg).

There's also plenty of examples of players who move on early, don't 'show loyalty' and don't go on to have success (Woodsy would be the poster boy).

Loyalty itself is not foolish, in fact, it's a desirable personality trait. And one that whilst not required or expected, should be continued to be advocated for in my opinion.

For what it's worth too, clubs need a little more of it themselves.

 

[Tucker]

Many shortcomings no doubt.

But we're two dropped balls over the line from being equal third (on points) at the halfway point of the season.

You don't get a first grade team to that position, after 3 spoons, in the skinny squad in the league, if you can't coach.

You simply don't.

Yes, with an elite half, an elite outside back, 1 very strong prop and another who is renowned for his explosiveness from the bench and an experienced utility. That group has won 7 grand finals between them. They were added to a group containging experience and some excellent emerging talent.
Weve had a great start, no doubt. The new guys have mostly done an excellent job.
Its also been a funny, topsy turvy competition so far. Surely soon the teams playing good footy will start winning more and those who are playing average or slightly above will slide. Weve been lucky on a couple of occasions.
Player retention is a big concern.
Defence is a big concern.
Player morale isnt looking great.

 

[Kelce68]

Yes, with an elite half, an elite outside back, 1 very strong prop and another who is renowned for his explosiveness from the bench and an experienced utility. That group has won 7 grand finals between them. They were added to a group containging experience and some excellent emerging talent.
Weve had a great start, no doubt. The new guys have mostly done an excellent job.
Its also been a funny, topsy turvy competition so far. Surely soon the teams playing good footy will start winning more and those who are playing average or slightly above will slide. Weve been lucky on a couple of occasions.
Player retention is a big concern.
Defence is a big concern.
Player morale isnt looking great.

Yes, and Benji is a, if not the, key reason we were able to bring those players to the club. Additionally, Bula, Pole, Starford and Doueihi are playing their best footy for a couple of years.

Recruitment and development are big components of coaching - Benji is doing it well.

His game plans, use of the bench and general selections are head scratching at times at best. He's got a lot of work to do.

But ultimately, a coach is judged on winning games.

He's winning games. Ergo, he can coach.

.... Even if he's a very incomplete coach thus far.

 

[Lestronge]

Everything you have said is old fashioned.
Players break contract every year. Clubs break contract every year.
Players sign for whoever they can. They dont care about petty rivalries. In fact rivalries are the domain of fandom only. The players couldnt give a toss about them.
I agree that you shouldnt bag your club but once again, it happens a lot.
Thats where I think Lachlan erred. He didnt need to give a reason. We likely work it out on our own without being spoonfed.
Benji couldnt coach a fish to swim.

Yep agree with all that . What I’m saying is there’s taboos around it . There’s dos and don’ts.
The americanisation of sports around contracts is what you’re talking about . But really , only the nba globally aside from say Ronaldo, has the player been bigger than the clubs they represent . Even Ronaldo has proven to be an albatross as a player , as his counterpart Messi was the embodiment of team first play.
So you can get out of your contract ,leave clubs , do whatever you want really , but the way you do it is really important . Because ultimately it undermines the integrity of the sport . And alienates the biggest stakeholders in the game . Who like said , aside from NBA players , follow the name in the front of the jersey , as opposed to the back .
You may hate every single person at that organisation , but there’s a way to do it .
There’s an nba player at the moment famous for throwing players under the bus and being a petulant [This word has been automatically removed] when he wants out of a club. Did it at Chicago , Minnesota,Philadelphia , Miami and he’s now at Golden State . He’s universally criticised and mocked because of this behaviour . So yes it is a business , there’s a way to do it . and Galvin has taken the Jimmy Butler route , which is simply not the well worn path . Because there’s real value in being a standup guy , especially in a sport where trust is absolutely crucial .
You can call it old fashioned , I call it good parenting , and instilling the correct morality in both your kids , but in Isaac Moses’ the people you’re ultimately in charge of .
Everything this sport does has been a direct repeat of what goes on in the bigger sports around the world . And Universally , I’ll say again , this behaviour is not acceptable . And that’s a good thing . As if it was the way sports generally were/are the integrity of the sport and ultimately the money it generates will be undermined .

 

[Telltails]

We have very few friends in this competition and we need to preserve and respect the ones we have instead of alienating them for our lack of success.
IMO we have to stay solid with Benji because he more than anyone wants this club to succeed while others wouldn't give us the time of day.
There are clubs that benefit from our position camped at the bottom of the table, and there is enough evidence to suggest that managers are equally happy to place their clients in our system only to move them on when it suits them - out juniors have an overinflated profile compared to those in other clubs
We always knew that we were low on depth and weariness and injuries were going to provide a challenge. The Galvin situation is a kick in the guts for the coaching team and the senior players who now carry suspicion of bullying - which I have no doubt is BS. Can't believe some a buying it given Moses history with the club.
Can't defend their camp for one minute as it is clear as dogs balls that they will sink to any level to not honour their contract.

 

[XDuffman]

Does anyone know why we are so keen to get Pearce Paul from the knights, i haven’t seen much I like ?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Does anyone know why we are so keen to get Pearce Paul from the knights, i haven’t seen much I like ?

We need a backrower. He’s about as good as anyone we can attract in that position.

 

[mtd#2]

Does anyone know why we are so keen to get Pearce Paul from the knights, i haven’t seen much I like ?

I thought the same... then I took some time to watch the way he plays and I think the role he plays will suit our style.

 

[the enforcer.]

Does anyone know why we are so keen to get Pearce Paul from the knights, i haven’t seen much I like ?

Agree. But i think there is a lot going on with that club and players.

 

[Masterton]

Does anyone know why we are so keen to get Pearce Paul from the knights, i haven’t seen much I like ?

He's athletically pretty good. Gets about twice as many yards as Seyfarth. My Mrs is a Knights fan so I watch them a lot. I think he'll develop into a good player if you can coach the dumb out of him.

 

[Kelce68]

LOL thats not true at all. Most people wanted him fired out of Concorde via catapult. We laughed at him for weeks for getting a barbeque for his "service". He was and likely still is our most hated squad member ever.

You do realise everything you are saying here is proving my point? Him staying in a shit system brought no success. His loyalty failed him. By ditching it and going to a new better system, success came.

Obviously it isnt an all encompassing statement and there are outliers. Look at Api. He had to watch his old team win back to back premierships whilst he collected back to back spoons. I guess at the end of his career he'll reflect on his decision to chase the money vs continued success. Maybe staying loyal on less was the correct option there? Maybe setting up his family was better?
The kids we are talking about arent in the same position. They are chasing success and expecting that the riches will follow.

And as somebody who dislikes that sentiment, I'll continue to advocate for a different mindset and hope that others around the game do the same.

I'd say the current prevalence of loyalty over money is above that of just being outliers and I hope that the balance continues to shift back away from chasing cheap success.

You do realise everything you are saying here is proving my point? Him staying in a shit system brought no success. His loyalty failed him. By ditching it and going to a new better system, success came.
Except it doesn't though. Whilst it turned out that way, it may not have.

At the point he resigned, which was the show of loyalty, the future of that Tigers' side wasn't written. We may have picked up 5 top shelf players and go on a run into finals.

That obviously didn't happen, but in that situation, same player, same loyalty, would've lead to success. It was factors outside of his control (quality of the squad/coaching) and some bad luck that brought the lack of success, not the act of remaining loyal itself.

TDS for example, could remain loyal, do his time, take over from Api in 27 and the side can start to dominate the league as we start regularly making finals.

Or, he could remain loyal, do his time, take over from Api in 27 and then be the hooker for a side that cops bad injury after bad injury, a couple of poor recruitment decisions and some cos ching upheaval, and continue to languish around 14th for the next 5-7 years.

Success is determined by more, uncontrollable variables than can be determined by loyalty, or lack thereof alone.

 

[Spacecub]

Hope you haven’t been too adversely affected up there mate, but it looks like the whole town went under!

Thanks flippedy no I was ok I'm out of taree, was isolated no power basically only lost a fridge full of stuff, so many are in such a bad way

 

[Camel2281]

If Galvin goes to the Dogs and they move Burton to fullback. I reckon we should have a red hot go for Conor Tracey. He's a great player whether Fullback, Centre, Wing or possibly at 6

 

[Tucker]

Yes, and Benji is a, if not the, key reason we were able to bring those players to the club. Additionally, Bula, Pole, Starford and Doueihi are playing their best footy for a couple of years.

Recruitment and development are big components of coaching - Benji is doing it well.

His game plans, use of the bench and general selections are head scratching at times at best. He's got a lot of work to do.

But ultimately, a coach is judged on winning games.

He's winning games. Ergo, he can coach.

.... Even if he's a very incomplete coach thus far.

Yes and I agreed. I also think the team is heading for a cliff. If he can stop it going over, ill give him credit.
What about the rest of what I said?
We are losing players who dont want to play for him
Our defence is awful. After 11 rounds, it is worse than it was in all three spoon years.
Player morale is looking jittery. The group look to be struggling with the culture change and the young blokes especially dont look happy. This is something he should be working on.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Who's to say that in a year or two TDS would not be the starter and Api is #14 coming on for limited minutes working his magic as a game breaker.

Exactly my view. I just cannot see how Api over the next 18mths will be a 80min week to week hooker. At some point his minutes will drop and so will his effectiveness. TDS would absolutely get a heap of playing time and will end up with more than his fair share of starting.

The other thing is that Hookers in today’s game just don’t play consistently for 10yrs let alone for 80mins a game now. So TDS have a very long career infront and shouldn’t be focused on rushing forward.

I know first hand how the Storm have managed Grant, Pezet and Sua - it’s 100% focused on longer term not short term. All these players will make money & will get a heap of games. It’s about keeping miles in the legs, change in body shape, getting the body use to the larger contact (which takes a few years) and building knowledge from those around them.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

There is a lot of hurt among supporters about the Galvin saga.

agree but plenty are disregarding last year of football and as it stands galvin has some runs on the board over 18 months latu simply does not. Galvin was a hip drop tackle away from clearly being rookie of the year

 

[Tucker]

And as somebody who dislikes that sentiment, I'll continue to advocate for a different mindset and hope that others around the game do the same.

I'd say the current prevalence of loyalty over money is above that of just being outliers and I hope that the balance continues to shift back away from chasing cheap success.

You do realise everything you are saying here is proving my point? Him staying in a shit system brought no success. His loyalty failed him. By ditching it and going to a new better system, success came.
Except it doesn't though. Whilst it turned out that way, it may not have.

At the point he resigned, which was the show of loyalty, the future of that Tigers' side wasn't written. We may have picked up 5 top shelf players and go on a run into finals.

That obviously didn't happen, but in that situation, same player, same loyalty, would've lead to success. It was factors outside of his control (quality of the squad/coaching) and some bad luck that brought the lack of success, not the act of remaining loyal itself.

TDS for example, could remain loyal, do his time, take over from Api in 27 and the side can start to dominate the league as we start regularly making finals.

Or, he could remain loyal, do his time, take over from Api in 27 and then be the hooker for a side that cops bad injury after bad injury, a couple of poor recruitment decisions and some cos ching upheaval, and continue to languish around 14th for the next 5-7 years.

Success is determined by more, uncontrollable variables than can be determined by loyalty, or lack thereof alone.

When Brooks left, the entire RL world knew why he was going. He was chasing success. He wanted to play finals footy. By staying loyal to this club, he was missing out. It is always a risk when you leave an employer but often if you dont have the balls to do so, you never find out if it was worth it. As it turned out, he got his success and has one less spoon on his resume. It worked.

Our young blokes are watching. They saw Shaun Blore play a GF after leaving. There is a risk vs reward element for sure. The Wests Tiger fan wants them to all stay. The RL fan understands their decision to explore options.

 

[Lestronge]

Honestly who gives a shit about a 19 year old kid . Luke others have said I’m more irritated with the club screwing up the Large negotiations than letting Galvin go .
But if I’m playing devils advocate , someone at the club really pumped up the tires of that Harold Matt’s prem team . As nearly to a man they’ve all behaved like they’re superstars already .
Was it sheens and McDonnell ? The whole club ? Benji . Like from miller and his shenanigans to Galvin and his shenanigans to even the large boys coming in a trying to dictate how and when they play first grade , humility definitely wasn’t one of that teams key virtues . Jesus …
We screwed the pooch with those kids . There’s plenty of kids coming through to rival that Matt’s team in the future . Hopefully we learnt our lessons with too much too soon .

 

[diedpretty]

What i find strange in this whole situation is the lack of interest in signing him. Considering the media buildup and hype surrounding this kid and the fact that all astute pundits consider the kid is a future star that only 2 clubs have shown any interest in even considering an offer. You would think every club would be putting out feelers if the kid is as good as the experts say. Yet only the 2 clubs that were always considered his go to options are it.